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Whats the deal with Cam Scripts ?

06-21-2013, 03:58 PM

I mean Webcam Scripts generally, not "camscripts" the brand ?
There are scripts, themes, CMS's, plugins for everything an adult webmaster would want, but when it comes to webcams there seems to be bugger all !
Why ? I don't want to be the next MFC (God forbid) I just want a sub $1000 nice modern looking script where I can get a handful of models that can take tips blah blah blah.
Why does nobody offer such a (what I would class as lucrative) model ?
I don't need 2Much and I don't need iffy Romanian sites either. I can't get my head around why nobody can fill this niche, there must be loads of single models or sub 10 model sites that would love a decent webcam setup !
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06-21-2013, 04:13 PM

You just named people who do it, but you're not interested. I think it's slightly more work than a WP theme.

Single models or sub 10 models simply work on existing sites rather than have the added hassle of setting up and dealing with running the back end script.

Anyone who seriously wants to start a cam site would hire programmers to do it.

If you think it's lucrative, then do that, get one made, and sell it for $999. But I'm pretty sure if you go to the expense of making your own cam script, it's far more lucrative to just start your own site.

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06-21-2013, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by helterskelter808

You just named people who do it, but you're not interested. I think it's slightly more work than a WP theme.

Single models or sub 10 models simply work on existing sites rather than have the added hassle of setting up and dealing with running the back end script.

Anyone who seriously wants to start a cam site would hire programmers to do it.

If you think it's lucrative, then do that, get one made, and sell it for $999.

If you want to be a sarcastic cunt, you've entered the wrong thread. Yeah I'm not interested in 2Much.....because believe it or not it costs too much. If I knew where I could get one made for $999 then I wouldn't be asking the fucking question.
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06-21-2013, 04:21 PM

Learn to read you fucking dumb prick. I just told how to fucking do what you want, even though I realized it was a waste of time, you being a fucking idiot who is obviously broke to boot. Go fuck yourself.
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06-21-2013, 04:26 PM

Good luck with your $1k cam site, faggot.
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06-21-2013, 04:29 PM

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Good luck with your $1k cam site, faggot.

You're a funny person, do you have websites ?
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06-21-2013, 04:31 PM

Do you have money?
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06-21-2013, 04:33 PM

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Good luck with your $1k cam site, faggot.

Does the username "helterskelter" sum up your business honey, in that you are in a constant downward spiral ?
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06-21-2013, 04:35 PM

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06-21-2013, 04:46 PM

Does the name Vixen Escorts sum up the fact that you are a broke faggot?
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06-21-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

If you want to be a sarcastic cunt, you've entered the wrong thread. Yeah I'm not interested in 2Much.....because believe it or not it costs too much. If I knew where I could get one made for $999 then I wouldn't be asking the fucking question.

you're pretty rude, the guy was answering your question with a solid answer, its true.. 900 dollars for a camscript are you insane, do you have any idea of the money made on camsites??

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06-21-2013, 06:32 PM

Not as rude as you CUNT, he didn't answer jack shit. PHP Fox is a $400 script that is so powerful. Yet nothing for Webcam, nobody offers a comparable script. Why is that ?
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06-21-2013, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

Not as rude as you CUNT, he didn't answer jack shit. PHP Fox is a $400 script that is so powerful. Yet nothing for Webcam, nobody offers a comparable script. Why is that ?

1. I agree with him that helterskelter had actually tried to answer your q.

2. I have done several quotes for people wanting webcam scripts. The estimate has always been near or over $10k to put a good system together (from my point of view as a developer). So, someone has to lay out the initial cost to get the system designed and created. That does not include the ongoing maintenance costs.

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06-21-2013, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by sarettah

1. I agree with him that helterskelter had actually tried to answer your q.

2. I have done several quotes for people wanting webcam scripts. The estimate has always been near or over $10k to put a good system together (from my point of view as a developer). So, someone has to lay out the initial cost to get the system designed and created. That does not include the ongoing maintenance costs.

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So let's see some examples
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06-21-2013, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

So let's see some examples

Examples of what? Estimates I have done? I could probably dig one up if I thought it was worth it. But it has been a while and I would probably have to go look through a different computer than I am on.

You don't have to believe me, makes no difference to me. I was just trying to give you an answer from a developers point of view.

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06-21-2013, 07:33 PM

Anyone who'd waste their time trying to help this monumental asswipe, after the offensive way he's replied to everyone giving him advice or info, would have to be out of their mind.

Can't even afford $1k and he's demanding to see examples costing $10k.

Thinks because some random script costs $400, so should every other script in the world. Clueless.
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06-21-2013, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by helterskelter808

Can't even afford $1k and he's demanding to see examples costing $10k.

Well, if he wants that from me, I can't deliver. I have done quotes on building the system(s). nobody has ever gone with me on them, usually because the estimate is higher than they want to go. Most think you can put it together cheap and easy.

So, if in any way anything I said was taken as that I had built a webcam application for anyone, I apologize for the misunderstanding. I have not.

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06-21-2013, 07:44 PM

^ That was my understanding of your post. It was quite clear, due to the use of the words quote and estimate, and the fact that most people, like this idiot, who ask about starting a cam site, have no idea how to do it, think it can be done on peanuts and refuse to believe it, even after being told.

If it was cheap and easy everyone would be doing it.
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06-21-2013, 08:52 PM

If you are worried about spending more then $1k on a cam site script, you need to rethink about getting in that market to begin with. To start up a cam site and it actually be successful - unless you have a TON of traffic you can turn on like a faucet - you need at least 6 figures to invest.

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06-21-2013, 09:23 PM

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If you are worried about spending more then $1k on a cam site script, you need to rethink about getting in that market to begin with. To start up a cam site and it actually be successful - unless you have a TON of traffic you can turn on like a faucet - you need at least 6 figures to invest.

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06-21-2013, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

I mean Webcam Scripts generally, not "camscripts" the brand ?
There are scripts, themes, CMS's, plugins for everything an adult webmaster would want, but when it comes to webcams there seems to be bugger all !
Why ? I don't want to be the next MFC (God forbid) I just want a sub $1000 nice modern looking script where I can get a handful of models that can take tips blah blah blah.
Why does nobody offer such a (what I would class as lucrative) model ?
I don't need 2Much and I don't need iffy Romanian sites either. I can't get my head around why nobody can fill this niche, there must be loads of single models or sub 10 model sites that would love a decent webcam setup !

Have you checked out videowhisper http://www.videowhisper.com ? They say that they can do what you want using their video messenger script and their video girls module. It appears to be $450 for a lifetime license if I am interpreting their pricing properly.

I know nothing about the script. I just remembered that I had stumbled upon it when I was looking for a video chat module for a project. I used their two way video chat module for a proof of concept and it worked as they described.

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06-21-2013, 10:07 PM

OP, give up on trying to run a cam site. I get the feeling you couldn't run an ice cream truck successfully.
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06-21-2013, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

If you want to be a sarcastic cunt, you've entered the wrong thread. Yeah I'm not interested in 2Much.....because believe it or not it costs too much. If I knew where I could get one made for $999 then I wouldn't be asking the fucking question.

Hi there...

I'm sorry you feel that our licenses are too expensive. In case you haven't checked our site at http://2much.net lately, our licenses run between $700 and $4100 and every once in a while we also experiment with "free" licenses (rev share white label). I'm sorry if nothing we offer fits your budget, but we offer a turn-key solution at prices must less than it would cost of hiring a programmer to write for you.

Oh and that person you called a "Sarcastic cunt", Helterskelter808, was right. It IS more work than a WP theme. Much more.

There are plenty of cam solutions out there to choose from. I suggest you pick one that works for you and be prepared to spend some money for a quality product.
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06-22-2013, 04:24 AM

Everybody wants to be a fucking smart ass. Did I mention wanting to run a "cam site" ?
Read the original post if your retarded brains can cope with that many words at the same time.
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06-22-2013, 04:28 AM

if you know , how it works, write the steps and the functionality, and mail it to me and prepare your 1k bucks.
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06-22-2013, 04:30 AM

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06-22-2013, 04:51 AM

I think you misunderstood the tone of Helterskelter808's initial post which was factually correct, and then made people not want to help you by insulting everybody who came in the thread which pretty much killed your chances of getting help from anybody that can read.

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06-22-2013, 05:03 AM

With respect, I didn't misunderstand anything. I've been in this business full time since 1997 so don't let the number of posts I've made here mislead you into thinking I'm some ignorant newbie. I'm done with this thread, another waste of time as usual. However I'm sure some clever scripter can see the area I've identified and will set to work on it
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06-22-2013, 05:09 AM

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Oh and that person you called a "Sarcastic cunt", Helterskelter808, was right. It IS more work than a WP theme. Much more.

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06-22-2013, 05:15 AM

There's clearly a lot of self interests to protect in this area, it's about time somebody smashed open the webcam market.
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06-22-2013, 06:33 AM

The OP did not wanted to start an own cam site himself. He just wanted to point out, that no one offers a sub $1000 cam script, as many people search for. No matter these guys who buy the $999 script would fail because no traffic or else: they would have purchased the cam script anyway. The OP asks why all those developers who could offer such a $999 cam script (to anyone, including failing guys), are not offering it.

Sarettah cite videowhisper (iffy romanian) license for $450. Specifically, I wrote videowhisper in 2010 to ask minimal customisation (site ticket + email), I got a first reply after 25 days (!?), then I replied etc. and in months, I never got any meaningful reply, like if the site was abandoned and the guy had other full time real job, with no internet access. I even used WHOIS and google to find the author's personal contacts, spammed him here and added to all messengers, still I can't really get him to help me in any way, despite I offered to pay since start - I run several real cam sites since 10 years, so missing my business it is quite retard - given I show my sites to these guys from start.

So with those cheap (or even free, open source scripts, there are many), mostly you get this license then you need another developer to work at it, or you need to be a developer yourself ... with free time! I am a developer myself, but since running a cam site includes lots of other tasks to do, I use companies and consultants to edit the code, except quick changes - I just reserve the pleasure to show the developer his bad code line when a bug is stupid and I had free time in weekend to dive his messy code. But either you develop, or you do marketing, or affiliate rep, not all.

So these scripts exists, but it adds developer/design work hours, for more than $999 on the end. Let you be able to install it with no changes, if you get an issue (site not usable, your reputation trashed every next hour), you keep with crashed site forever, no one can support you to fix it (even if you find the personal skype or facebook of the developer and you spam him there on sundays - a sport I often practiced).

I am unsure if this answers the OP and if he will call me idiot like everyone else, this is GFY after all, and meaningful talking it should be avoided.

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06-22-2013, 07:26 AM

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I think you misunderstood the tone of Helterskelter808's initial post which was factually correct, and then made people not want to help you by insulting everybody who came in the thread which pretty much killed your chances of getting help from anybody that can read.

He came into the thread already hostile, dismissive of MFC, 2Much and "Romanians", and got worse from there.

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The OP did not wanted to start an own cam site himself.

"I just want a sub $1000 nice modern looking script where I can get a handful of models that can take tips blah blah blah."

What is that, if not a "cam site"?

He just wanted to point out, that no one offers a sub $1000 cam script, as many people search for. No matter these guys who buy the $999 script would fail because no traffic or else: they would have purchased the cam script anyway. The OP asks why all those developers who could offer such a $999 cam script (to anyone, including failing guys), are not offering it.

Sarettah cite videowhisper (iffy romanian) license for $450. Specifically, I wrote videowhisper in 2010 to ask minimal customisation (site ticket + email), I got a first reply after 25 days (!?), then I replied etc. and in months, I never got any meaningful reply, like if the site was abandoned and the guy had other full time real job, with no internet access. I even used WHOIS and google to find the author's personal contacts, spammed him here and added to all messengers, still I can't really get him to help me in any way, despite I offered to pay since start - I run several real cam sites since 10 years, so missing my business it is quite retard - given I show my sites to these guys from start.

Isn't this just more evidence that decent cam software for < $1000 is not possible and/or there is no real market (large enough) to sustain the work and the constant updates?

This guy claims to have been in business for over a decade and a half and can't even afford $1k?

He seems to think models or studios would rather deal with the expense and hassle of setting up their own script, and generating traffic, so why doesn't he capitalize on the fact nobody else is catering to that market, hire a programmer to make a script and sell it for $999 and 'smash open the webcam market'?

Well, I suggested that in my first post, and we all saw the response.
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06-22-2013, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by VIXEN ESCORTS

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06-22-2013, 07:45 AM

It's just how the market works. It takes some time for things to become competitive. TGP scripts used to be over $1000 and some are still trying to sell them for $250 or more. But you can get them for $25 now. The price isn't based on how long it take the coder. It's based on what the market will bear. Of course the coders want you to pay $1000 instead of $25 for as long as possible.

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06-22-2013, 07:52 AM

Developers are typically not "businessmen", they are developers. That is their focus. They don't do the marketing, sales, and everything else that is needed to sell a script successfully at profit. They focus on creating great projects and staying up with the latest technology.

That means that a businessman would need to bankroll a script project like this. As mentioned, we are talking minimum $10k, although I am guessing it would clear $20k easily so let's use that as a benchmark. The businessman is going to want a significant projected return in order for him to take on that $20k risk.

Let's say we find our magical businessman. He hires the developer. Now he needs to create a marketing package, a sales method, and a support package. Anybody that lays down $1000 for a script is going to need support. The support will need to be more than your standard customer support, it will need to be a developer or technical savvy person of some sort. Now we are talking several thousand dollars a month in bills just to sell and keep the product alive.

So now we have $20k initial investment plus another $2-6k monthly upkeep. Let's not forget that we are going to need our initial developer on an ongoing basis to add new features as customers request them, otherwise nobody will buy them. Our businessman now needs to sell 10 copies, most likely more, every month just to make back his money and a return that justifies the risk.

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06-22-2013, 08:04 AM

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Of course the coders want you to pay $1000 instead of $25 for as long as possible.

As a developer I would have to say that I would prefer to sell 1000 copies of a script for $25 a piece then 25 copies at $1000 a piece. Much easier sell.

However I don't think that I would prefer to provide support for 1000 copies of a webcam script and all the various configurations that people would want to install.

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06-22-2013, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by sarettah

As a developer I would have to say that I would prefer to sell 1000 copies of a script for $25 a piece then 25 copies at $1000 a piece. Much easier sell.

However I don't think that I would prefer to provide support for 1000 copies of a webcam script and all the various configurations that people would want to install.

Just charge an extra $975 for support.
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06-22-2013, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by helterskelter808

Just charge an extra $975 for support.

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06-22-2013, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by sarettah

As a developer I would have to say that I would prefer to sell 1000 copies of a script for $25 a piece then 25 copies at $1000 a piece. Much easier sell.

However I don't think that I would prefer to provide support for 1000 copies of a webcam script and all the various configurations that people would want to install.

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It depends on the competition and the availability. It used to be easy to sell a $39.95 monthly paysite membership which would rebill on average three times in certain niches. Now that is harder because it's available for free with other free options all over the internet and in the top of Google. The same goes for scripts too. Why would you set a price of $25 and sell 1,000 copies if you could set the price at $900 and sell 950 copies still? You have to find the maximization point. Because competition is low the maximization point is probably pretty high right now.

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06-22-2013, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by sarettah

As a developer I would have to say that I would prefer to sell 1000 copies of a script for $25 a piece then 25 copies at $1000 a piece. Much easier sell.

However I don't think that I would prefer to provide support for 1000 copies of a webcam script and all the various configurations that people would want to install.
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Exactly. You can sell 1000 copies of a $25 POTD or hardlink manager or some little simple script that won't require much support - but somethign like a cam script you would go nuts supporting 1000 clients.

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06-22-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by signupdamnit

It depends on the competition and the availability. It used to be easy to sell a $39.95 monthly paysite membership which would rebill on average three times in certain niches. Now that is harder because it's available for free with other free options all over the internet and in the top of Google. The same goes for scripts too. Why would you set a price of $25 and sell 1,000 copies if you could set the price at $900 and sell 950 copies still? You have to find the maximization point. Because competition is low the maximization point is probably pretty high right now.

Just reinforces this:

Originally posted by Sly

Developers are typically not "businessmen", they are developers. That is their focus. They don't do the marketing, sales, and everything else that is needed to sell a script successfully at profit. They focus on creating great projects and staying up with the latest technology.

Which pretty much describes me perfectly ;p

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06-22-2013, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by sarettah

As a developer I would have to say that I would prefer to sell 1000 copies of a script for $25 a piece then 25 copies at $1000 a piece. Much easier sell.

However I don't think that I would prefer to provide support for 1000 copies of a webcam script and all the various configurations that people would want to install.

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...and don't forget the increased cost of support!
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06-22-2013, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by k0nr4d

Exactly. You can sell 1000 copies of a $25 POTD or hardlink manager or some little simple script that won't require much support - but somethign like a cam script you would go nuts supporting 1000 clients.

Yep, and in the case of a webcam script (and you know this a whole lot better than I do) we end up with installs using Wowza, Red5, Adobe and whatever else comes on the market and it needs to work with all of them in order to satisfy he masses.

Haven't even started discussing the Flash versus HTML5 stuff and what effect that is having and will have on webcam scripts going forward.

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06-22-2013, 08:32 AM

I know a few girls paying their rent with their webcams having guys send them paypal and western union.

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06-22-2013, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by tonyparra

I know a few girls paying their rent with their webcams having guys send them paypal and western union.

Yeah, the independent webcam girls using skype and various ims is a growing niche.

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06-22-2013, 11:14 AM

2much offers an excellent solution and Mark provides customer service that is unparalleled in this industry. He cares about his business and his clients and will work with you every step of the way to help. 2much IS the solution you're looking for and you should have contacted mark before even starting this thread.

That said I do see the point you were trying to make. It just came off wrong I think. Especially on this forum where everyone is just hanging around waiting to pounce on drama. So yes. You're right. There should be more scripts readily available. But you're wrong to say there are none. There are plenty if you look and if you contact owners they are more than ready to help.

Just the wrong place to post this question really lol. Waaaay too immature out here for legitimate discussions. Maybe you should try starting a thread about how you farted this morning when you woke up. Then you'll see more views, more replies, and more support from others who did the same. Lol

Good luck.

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