Our Position Regarding RedTube and Tube Sites

yes, we went round and round and round on that one basically its ok for Twistys to have a webmaster referral program and use it but since I used clickcash's for some reason that was a pyramid scheme, here you can read for yourself.

what you trying to do with that images? this is so easy to modify with photoshop

what you trying to do with that images? this is so easy to modify with photoshop

If you read the entire thread and not just the posts you wanted to make a witty comeback on you would have read that Will said anyone was free to message him and he'd show the logs on webcam...

But YouTube actively do remove copyrighted content - many has been the time that I've added a music video to my favourites list only for it to say "Video has been removed" a few weeks later, which must surely mean YouTube are no longer protected under the DMCA according to your logic?

let me know when I should set up gotomeeting for you to view them on my desktop. Unless you think I hacked ICQ and did them myself. Sorry man, your twisty's buddy lied and made retarded comments to me on icq. He lied about me insulting his family. He knows this as FACT since that is exacly what happened.

Contact me on ICQ: 86364801 and i will set up a private goto meeting for you.

It's the choice I've decided to make. Unlike just about everybody else in this thread I deal with content theft everyday. I have been for the past 7 years. I spend a few million dollars a year on content. Through hard work and determination I've built the largest babe paysite online. I didn't get to where I am right now by accident. There are a lot of backseat drivers telling me how to run my business. Instead of wasting time telling me how to run my company I think most people could benefit from logging off GFY and analyzing their business and thinking about how they are going to manage their business in the coming months and years.

LOL what my post has to do with the threat? i just said post an image of a conversation doesnt mean nothing since can be modified... if you try to understand my post before comment would be nice

I said THREAD, not THREAT..

so maybe you are the one who needs to work on their own understanding.

Sorry to say, Shap, but after reading this thread http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=694846 about how you became successful, I find it difficult to believe you would get in bed with crooks like RedTube. If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.

If the little guys in this industry can't rely on you to do the right thing and not associate with thieves just to make a buck, then all hope is lost.

Hi Falcao. I think the point people are missing is I'm not doing it for the money. The revenue tube sites bring in is absolutely nothing to us. It's my attempt to control my content theft.

LOL shap is far from my buddy, actually i dont like him too much... i only speak with him one time on icq a few years ago... but well my personal issues with him has nothing to do here... i just find funny posting part of conversations that can be real or not... i don't mean yours are fake... but more than one time i saw people posting modified conversations

Can I do this too Shap? Host a bunch of watermarked 10 minute videos and promote AFF and Brazzers instead? Thanks in advance.

There is no doubt they have perfected their system and know what the fuck they are doing. At the same time I do feel this practice is hurting the future of our industry for companies like ours that run sites based on treating the surfer like a king and giving them the best service and website experience possible.

I don't doubt that for a second. Rape the industry today and leave a mess for someone else to clean up tomorrow.

I've been in this business for 10 years. I'm sure that I'm one of the most outspoken webmasters around - I've never backed down from any conversation or topic. Me and my partner run our company like an open book. When a question about our company comes up, I am always more than happy to address it. I say this because yesterday our name was being tossed around with regards to RedTube. So here I am to comment on the situation, explain my feelings and answer any questions you may have regarding it.

As it was mentioned in another thread, RedTube is an affiliate of ours. RedTube came to us and asked to be an affiliate several weeks ago. I told them there are rules and these rules must be followed in order to get paid and remain in good standing with TwistysCash. With regards to our video here is what we asked of them:

- They could use 2 - 3 minute clips to promote Twistys.
- Banners and advertising in and around the clip must be for Twistys and Twistys only.
- We do NOT accept traffic from any links that have stolen content on them.

Now, we've kept a close eye on RedTube and so far they've been an ideal affiliate. They are doing what we ask and they have been very pleasant to deal with. They are following the rules that apply to all our affiliates.

Tube sites are notorious for content theft. Ok, point made. Now, I do not believe there is a single person on GFY that has more content theft problems than we do. Twistys is the biggest babes site on the web and along with this status comes the problem of people constantly ripping off our content. We know what is like to invest MILLIONS of dollars a year in to content only to see it being ripped off by various sites and have other individuals profiting from it. For the past 2 years I've seen our content on HUNDREDS of user boards and blogs - all without a single Twistys ad. Believe me, it's hell to see my content being paired up with AFF banners and banners to the most popular PPS adult sponsors.... but not Twistys. We have worked hard at protecting our content and it always feels like a losing battle. We've spent large amounts of money on lawyers fighting content theft and spent endless hours DMCAing websites. Here we are in 2008 and the situation is WORSE than ever. Year after year we sit back and continue to get ripped off with each new board, blog, and tube site that is born. This is why we are taking action. Action to attempt some theft control- to turn the tables in our favor at least SOME of the time.

Understand that our relationship with RedTube is very different from what AFF and other sponsors are doing. Why? Because of our rules. Again, Redtube is sending us traffic from pages that have our content & ads, side by side.

Here's something I want to share with you - it relates to how our industry is changing. Tube sites are indicative of HOW people surf for their porn today. Tube sites have changed surfing habits as well as consumer expectations because the word 'tube' is now synonymous with FREE (and user-driven videos.) As a result of this transition to tube sites, they are forcing all of us to work harder. They are forcing all of us to produce a better product and to be better at what we are doing. In an industry known for quick and easy money, the idea of having to work our asses off to make a quality product is a scary one. What's scarier is the idea that you might even have to change your business model to get with the times. The truth is, things are not going back to the way they were. The web is changing. As a result, the 'free sites' and other traditional means of traffic pooling we used to rely on, are slowly dying. With this in mind, we should not only be worrying about stolen content; rather, we should be focusing on building a higher quality product. Wouldn't you agree?

In much the same way Napster changed the music industry, Tube sites are changing the adult industry. Google is without a doubt the most powerful web company around. What is their company built on? It is built on providing nearly every product you can imagine, for FREE. Google is teaching everyone that the tools we used to pay for - the video, television, entertainment, maps, spreadsheets, mail etc. are all available on the Internet for FREE any time we want it and it's only a click away. I cannot think of any company that is pushing the fact that copyrights are non-existant online as much as Google is. Take a look at the start date for all the largest tube sites... You will notice that all of them start AFTER Google acquired YouTube.

Now take a look at the music industry over the past 8 years. They are much bigger and much more powerful than we ever were as an industry prior to this time. Despite this immense power, appeal, reach and frequency - the record industry is dead thanks to Napster and other file sharing sites. The record industry spent all its' time and energy the past few years trying to preserve the way it had always existed - high profit margins on products that were not always what the consumer wanted (ie $19.95 for a record, tape or CD that had 3 or 4 good songs). Their industry was forced to change when file sharing became big - they had to embrace the new landscape that has been presented and make the best of it (ie: iTunes @ 99 cents a song.) Nobody is getting rich off albums anymore, if anything it's just forcing artists to produce one hit song after another and NOT put out filler songs to make up an album. AND, on top of unique chart topping songs, they also have to be able to perform on stage too. If they can't entertain and perform live, they die before they even debut.

I believe a similar thing is happening in our industry. While I am 100% against tube sites using illegal/stolen content, you guys have to realize tube sites are a part of our industry right now (and the near future) whether you like it or not. They are here and happening now and surfers are flocking to them. With dying options for traffic, what choices do we really have for promotion? So while the situation is not perfect, we CAN group together and set some rules for these sites to follow. Until everything is policed and enforced by a higher order, adaptation is what we have to embrace in order to survive.

When i was 5 years old I saw santa clause on the roof, I found out later it was fake too. I don't care what you have seen other people do or not. With the screen shot I also gave an open invitation to prove it wasn't photoshoped to anyone that doubted it or to a trusted 3rd party if more than a couple people wanted to see. Me posting that + the picture should have erased any doubt in your head and there was no need for you to post hypotheticals.

hmmm i thought santa clause was real

there was not need too to post your private conversations with other people...

For those that still don't get it. Here's the deal.

I've tried fighting content theft for the past 7 years. I'm not good at it. From boards, babeblogs, rapdishare, megaupload and now to tube sites. I've had no success whatsoever. I'm great at making money but horrible and policing the web. Not only have I had no success but I also see company after company making money off my stolen content. Namely AFF. I can't explain how frustrating it is. I think we spent somewhere between $2,500,000 and $3,000,000 on content last year alone. Spending that type of money on content and seeing it raped to no end drives me insane. With such little success in policing it RedTube came to us with the offer at the right time. They came to us and offered to not allow any stolen Twistys content to be posted and they would limit the clips to Twistys posted to 2minutes max. Now you can sit back and give me shit for agreeing to it but the truth is nobody in this industry has done anything to help us in our fight against content theft and in my opinion if I could scratch RedTube off my list as a site stealing content that was a huge plus.

For those that still don't get it. Here's the deal.

Lars started sentences about the same.

People get it, they're just not buying into your bullshit.

Lars started sentences about the same.

People get it, they're just not buying into your bullshit.

I'm just a fool who always wants to reply to everyone's questions. I really need to learn to walk away because it really doesn't matter what people who don't have the balls to post who they are or what they do think. If someone has to hide their indentity on an industry board where business is supposedly conducted then that just shows how useless and small they really are.

Can I assume that you intended to quote me?

I'm just a fool who always wants to reply to everyone's questions. I really need to learn to walk away because it really doesn't matter what people who don't have the balls to post who they are or what they do think. If someone has to hide their indentity on an industry board where business is supposedly conducted then that just shows how useless and small they really are.

snizzshare.com is one of them.

For those that still don't get it. Here's the deal.

I've tried fighting content theft for the past 7 years. I'm not good at it. From boards, babeblogs, rapdishare, megaupload and now to tube sites. I've had no success whatsoever. I'm great at making money but horrible and policing the web. Not only have I had no success but I also see company after company making money off my stolen content. Namely AFF. I can't explain how frustrating it is. I think we spent somewhere between $2,500,000 and $3,000,000 on content last year alone. Spending that type of money on content and seeing it raped to no end drives me insane. With such little success in policing it RedTube came to us with the offer at the right time. They came to us and offered to not allow any stolen Twistys content to be posted and they would limit the clips to Twistys posted to 2minutes max. Now you can sit back and give me shit for agreeing to it but the truth is nobody in this industry has done anything to help us in our fight against content theft and in my opinion if I could scratch RedTube off my list as a site stealing content that was a huge plus.

ok shap, i promise i will leave you be. It all comes down to money bottom line. Just strange to see someone who came across as being a "good guy" and doing the right things all these years, and who has complained about "bad" things no goes at length to justify why he uses a prechecked cross sale and why it is ok to do business with thieves. it all comes down to money, everything else is you trying to make your decissions sit better in your own head so you can sleep better at night .

So whats next, justifcation that zango really doesnt hurt other webmasters?

good luck to you.

Hi Falcao. I think the point people are missing is I'm not doing it for the money. The revenue tube sites bring in is absolutely nothing to us. It's my attempt to control my content theft.

Boo.

I disagree. It is legitimizing and monitizing an illegal enterprise for your own profit.

YouTube is not "actively" removing content; they do not have someone on staff who monitors uploads and removes content they find pirated. They "passively" remove content, after someone else finds the pirated material and sends YouTube a takedown request. That "active" vs "passive" procedure is the big difference whether the site is protected under DMCA. If the tube sites "actively" monitor uploads and removes copyrighted material (e.g. for a sponsor they have a deal with) they find on their own before receiving a complaint from someone else, then they are no longer protected as an ISP under DMCA. I am not a lawyer, but the language in DMCA is pretty clear about this.

For the love of Christ, do you ever get off your soapbox or do you just love to hear the sound of your own voice and the mindless idiots that fall behind you cheering you on?

For those that still don't get it. Here's the deal.

I've tried fighting content theft for the past 7 years. I'm not good at it. From boards, babeblogs, rapdishare, megaupload and now to tube sites. I've had no success whatsoever. I'm great at making money but horrible and policing the web. Not only have I had no success but I also see company after company making money off my stolen content. Namely AFF. I can't explain how frustrating it is. I think we spent somewhere between $2,500,000 and $3,000,000 on content last year alone. Spending that type of money on content and seeing it raped to no end drives me insane. With such little success in policing it RedTube came to us with the offer at the right time. They came to us and offered to not allow any stolen Twistys content to be posted and they would limit the clips to Twistys posted to 2minutes max. Now you can sit back and give me shit for agreeing to it but the truth is nobody in this industry has done anything to help us in our fight against content theft and in my opinion if I could scratch RedTube off my list as a site stealing content that was a huge plus.

I can imagine that is very frustrating man. Have you tried the services of www.removeyourcontent.com ? These guys really do get results.

Just found out about them today. Emailed them about 2 hours ago.

I dont get it.

Shap fucks his surfers over by selling them pre-checked $40 signups (to a sponsor who run a huge tube site themselves)

Then he comes to GFY and whines how tube sites are the crooks?

WTF?

You make money by people bumping you this thread? You actually think this thread improves your business image? Woa man, you sure changed.

Here's a bump for you then!

Fact: Redtube is one of those tube sites that offer stolen content.
Fact: You know they offer stolen content.
Fact: You pay Redtubes bills
Fact: That makes you accessory to theft with knowledge.

I can imagine that is very frustrating man. Have you tried the services of www.removeyourcontent.com ? These guys really do get results.