While I agree with your decision and support it 110%, you're assumption about the conversions is completely wrong.
Originally posted by xxxjay
We were sending DMCA notices to Redtube to get our videos taken off. The Redtube guys comes back to make and agree to take the videos down, but then asks us if we'd like to be set up "as a producer" and we would get set links through their affiliate account like a few other programs already have.
I told them to eat dicks.
Here's why:
1. It is unethical to use other people's stonle content to get your ads on more pages.
2. The traffic is worthless. 1:50000 would be an outstanding conversion, if it even got that good.
3. We have a good repution we want to keep up in this industry and cutting deals with thieving tube sites is a great way to ruin that.
Fuck warez and illegal tube sites and the people who support them.
Do you think I like the situation? I'd be making much more money without tube sites, but I have no choice.
Traditional free sites suffer MUCH MORE THAN PAYSITES from this, ok? In the end the best paysites will be making the same money but all free sites IMMEDIATELY make much less.
Do you understand there are persons who like pics and others who like videos.
15 pics and a full scene are not even close to the same thing. One makes one want to join to see more, the other is a call for tissues and lotion.
People know this but it makes them feel better about themselves on some level to say tgps are the same thing.When they know as well as everyone else its not.
15 pics and a full scene are not even close to the same thing. One makes one want to join to see more, the other is a call for tissues and lotion.
People know this but it makes them feel better about themselves on some level to say tgps are the same thing.When they know as well as everyone else its not.
Fully agree with this. Which is also why mgp's were effective since they gave about 1 min of action broken up which got them teased good but frustrated them as well. Give someone a 30 min clip and they end up not watching the last 20 min since they already blew their load. Hard to get impulse joins when the explosion has already happened.
Of course I do agree the argument for TGPS when they came in was we were starting to give to much free porn away. From 10 to 12 to 15 pics required. Then the demands of the tgp owners to get bigger and crisper photos so they were members area quality. I think it did make a dent in sales and ratios but nowhere to the extent that tube sites offering full movies is making to hurt the industry.
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If you were doing it the honest way and running a legit tube site that gave content that still teased and promoted the proper owners site instead of plastering AFF adds and stealing content and being a thief you would be getting a better result from people.
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Do you think I like the situation? I'd be making much more money without tube sites, but I have no choice.
Traditional free sites suffer MUCH MORE THAN PAYSITES from this, ok? In the end the best paysites will be making the same money but all free sites IMMEDIATELY make much less.
You have a choice to NOT steal content.
"I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."
the new biz model will be producers creating exclusive content for tube sites, and using the tube traffic to upsell to personals and live webcams... it's the logical conclusion to the timeline going on here.
I'm starting on my own 100% exclusive content tube site now before it's too late.. spend a few million on exclusive scenes, $50 on a tube script, and sit back and watch the AFF/Fling sales come rolling in.. bingo!
oh, and for the record.. anyone who's been in the biz as long as me knows all this free content bullshit was started with TGP's, before TGP's surfers paid at least $10 to join an AVS network... and GFY was started for TGPer's so fuck you GFY!
When are these people going to get it? IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC YOU HAVE!!!! IT'S ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE WITH YOUR EXISTING TRAFFIC!!!
Fuck your traffic stats. I'd much rather you send me 20 hits a day with an average daily of 2 joins, over 5000 with 2 joins.
Get the picture?
Filter your fucking traffic! STOP STEALING OUR CONTENT!
BINGO! I have a few affiliates that have sites with around 1k uniques daily and they are doing 1 or more sales per day to my site alone.. and I know several that do 100k of traffic to get the same result..
It would help if the surfer got bored to tears looking at the same FHG's and decided that they might have to buy a membership to get some new stuff. Some places seem to have 9 million photo/video galleries and on top of that many tgps archive every link ever sent to them by every program - thats a lot of unnecessarily free product IMO.
Anyone ever thought of trimming down a a bit on whats given away. Surely shit from 3 years ago doesn't need to be available still.
For the same reasons they join from pics galleries, content is already all there too.
So you would take every single pic from a site like met-art.com, post them ALL for free on your site, and still expect that someone would go over to Met-Art and BUY a membership under YOUR refferal code?
Bro, you are slicing your own throat? I know you guys aren't stupid. Why can't you see that?
Seriously what do you expect the 'established' sites owners to do? Sit there and die while new 'tube' sites rack in all the traffic?
Wow...just...wow. Rather than lose a little crap traffic to tube sites you join their ranks and steal content. Now we all know EXACTLY what to expect from you. Once a thief always a thief.
Wow...just...wow. Rather than lose a little crap traffic to tube sites you join their ranks and steal content. Now we all know EXACTLY what to expect from you. Once a thief always a thief.
Thanks...ok, now start sending traffic to www.occash.com and www.freshchecks.com and support decent sponsors that don't work with tube sites!
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