We were sending DMCA notices to Redtube to get our videos taken off. The Redtube guys comes back to make and agree to take the videos down, but then asks us if we'd like to be set up "as a producer" and we would get set links through their affiliate account like a few other programs already have.
I told them to eat dicks.
Here's why:
1. It is unethical to use other people's stonle content to get your ads on more pages.
2. The traffic is worthless. 1:50000 would be an outstanding conversion, if it even got that good.
3. We have a good repution we want to keep up in this industry and cutting deals with thieving tube sites is a great way to ruin that.
Fuck warez and illegal tube sites and the people who support them.
Tube traffic is also heavily seeded with zango users because thats the only way that the sites can make money. Which makes that click to you useless if your site is being propped by someone in zango.
watch as many "legitimate" bands of people in adult go to the dark side man, before it was a lot more hidden and not spoken of, now people like rude.com, pornhub, and the like will just shove a middle finger in your face and tell you to eat a shit biscuit
this industry could very well be imploding in a series of business model moves that people do not see are inevitably harmful but chosen because thats what everyone else is doing.
Regardless of how "suit and tie" people in this industry pretend to be, deep down this industry wears a renegade mentality which counter enables any unification that we can wish for. Every man for himself is the way its been and the way I see it ending one day. Eventually, either a government agency, or big business or emerging market with a serious plan will pick apart and manipulate our inability to unite and lobby together on any issue. This is the sad truth, and I do believe it.
We were sending DMCA notices to Redtube to get our videos taken off. The Redtube guys comes back to make and agree to take the videos down, but then asks us if we'd like to be set up "as a producer" and we would get set links through their affiliate account like a few other programs already have.
I told them to eat dicks.
Here's why:
1. It is unethical to use other people's stonle content to get your ads on more pages.
2. The traffic is worthless. 1:50000 would be an outstanding conversion, if it even got that good.
3. We have a good repution we want to keep up in this industry and cutting deals with thieving tube sites is a great way to ruin that.
Fuck warez and illegal tube sites and the people who support them.
Jay
redtube must have taken business 101 classes in preschool. Let's see, we will fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you some more. If you keep bugging us to stop fucking you we will eventually stop, but not before asking you if you want to do some business together. WTF although I am not surprised.
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-----Original Message-----
From: RedTube Support [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:03 AM
To: 'Sir Jason "The Dreaded Chief Slap-a-Ho" Quinlan III Esq. JR aka "Scooter"'
Subject: RE: [RT][Report Illegal Video] we are copyright owners please remove...
Hi Jay!
We are improving two things:
First one is to build up a black list to avoid to publish copyright
protected material without allowance.
Second one is to build up cooperations like we do with Twistys.com where we
put permanent assigned banners next to the videos using there affiliate
codes.
Cheers,
Mike
>>>>>>> RESPONSE <<<<<<<<<<<<<
HELL FUCKING NO!
-----Original Message-----
From: Sir Jason "The Dreaded Chief Slap-a-Ho" Quinlan III Esq. JR aka "Scooter" [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 2:11 AM
To: 'RedTube Support'
Subject: RE: [RT][Report Illegal Video] we are copyright owners please remove...
Please remove these videos before we are forced to take legal action.
-----Original Message-----
From: RedTube Support [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:03 AM
To: 'Sir Jason "The Dreaded Chief Slap-a-Ho" Quinlan III Esq. JR aka "Scooter"'
Subject: RE: [RT][Report Illegal Video] we are copyright owners please remove...
Hi Jay!
We are improving two things:
First one is to build up a black list to avoid to publish copyright
protected material without allowance.
Second one is to build up cooperations like we do with Twistys.com where we
put permanent assigned banners next to the videos using there affiliate
codes.
Cheers,
Mike
>>>>>>> RESPONSE <<<<<<<<<<<<<
HELL FUCKING NO!
-----Original Message-----
From: Sir Jason "The Dreaded Chief Slap-a-Ho" Quinlan III Esq. JR aka "Scooter" [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 2:11 AM
To: 'RedTube Support'
Subject: RE: [RT][Report Illegal Video] we are copyright owners please remove...
Please remove these videos before we are forced to take legal action.
Don't want to go into your business, but why don't you try that for at least a week? Maybe conversions are better than you thought? If no, then tell them to FUCK OFF, at least you will know "the truth" about ratios. If yes, you owe me something :-)
Jay you're going to paint yourself into a corner if you don't want to be a complete hypocrite - there's going to be very few sponsors left who aren't one degree seperated from this shit and your program will feel the pain.
sad but true.
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i just think its fucked that these people build huge websites using stolen content. then once they can afford to buy it(or get caught stealing) then all of a sudden they try to make it right.
the way i see it is this... you built a company using MY stolen content, where are my shares in your company? until these asshats start sharing the money they made by stealing our content, they should get no love from us.
only the ones that started out legit and always remained that way are worth a damn in my opinion.
i just think its fucked that these people build huge websites using stolen content. then once they can afford to buy it(or get caught stealing) then all of a sudden they try to make it right.
the way i see it is this... you built a company using MY stolen content, where are my shares in your company? until these asshats start sharing the money they made by stealing our content, they should get no love from us.
only the ones that started out legit and always remained that way are worth a damn in my opinion.
Kinda the same thing as "It's not illegal until you get caught...."
i just think its fucked that these people build huge websites using stolen content. then once they can afford to buy it(or get caught stealing) then all of a sudden they try to make it right.
the way i see it is this... you built a company using MY stolen content, where are my shares in your company? until these asshats start sharing the money they made by stealing our content, they should get no love from us.
only the ones that started out legit and always remained that way are worth a damn in my opinion.
exactly.
it's easy to go legit and be a 'top notch guy' once you've made yourself rich stealing from others.
i can think of many who've followed this formula.
I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!
it's easy to go legit and be a 'top notch guy' once you've made yourself rich stealing from others.
i can think of many who've followed this formula.
the adult internet was conceived and built on stolen content. why would anyone think that its evolution into new models would be any different than the way it was birthed?
Jay you're going to paint yourself into a corner if you don't want to be a complete hypocrite - there's going to be very few sponsors left who aren't one degree seperated from this shit and your program will feel the pain.
sad but true.
Hypocrite...fuck that.
What you are saying is exactly right: There is almost no way to be completely separated from it.
Almost everyone on this boards does some kind of business with somebody that does something on Redtube.
I can't talk Joe Blow x, y, and z how to run their business. If they want to take advantage of the massive branding power for sites with 100 or better Alexa rankings and shit on the rest of the industry, that is their perogitive.
All I can do is choose to not be one of those guys.
What comes around goes around and it will bite them in the ass in the end.
There is almost no way to be completely separated from it.
Almost everyone on this boards does some kind of business with somebody that does something on Redtube...
Agreed and this was my whole point on the zango and torrents issues and applies equally here.
After the kudos die down you will still be getting crap from all the "holier than thou's" (half of whom don't have traffic or would and do use any unethical traffic source in private) as well as those few individuals who still believe that we could all get together and stop this, for your one degree of separation from the "bad guys"
Look at all the crap Shap is getting for trying to monetize his own content. His ads only appear on his own video's pages not on other people's stolen content pages but he is being burned at the stake last time I looked in that thread.
So according to the mob, his one degree of separation is not ok but yours is?
You will be slammed either way whether you allow your content and ads on there to try to monetize it or you decide to "just say no" and prefer to send out C&D's all day while still supporting those sponsors who do advertise on there directly or indirectly.
Time will tell who's decision is the wiser one. From past experience, I think it's better to just not say anything and do what you feel is the best decision but props to both you and Shap for taking a position and being willing to defend it from any criticism, legitimate or otherwise.
all good and well but 1:50000 is obviously a made up number to exagerate it a bit. Like you say when you have to wait 10 minutes at a drive thru window but say out of frustration 'i been waiting here for hours!'
all good and well but 1:50000 is obviously a made up number to exagerate it a bit. Like you say when you have to wait 10 minutes at a drive thru window but say out of frustration 'i been waiting here for hours!'
Give me a break, everyone who doesn't have a tube yet yet is not because they are good guys (like you huh?) it's because they CAN'T.
I'm actually working on a legit tube site sort of along the TEVS system. http://www.bigdotmedia.com/ i'll be using sponsor supplied content. Sorry, I'm not willing to be a thief. If i wanted to be a scumbag I could have a shittube site up within a day. I might be a small minority but I still have morals and don't do shady shit.
yes a tube script is such complex technology it is beyond the means of most of us.
SOMEBODY PLEASE TEACH ME HOW TO CONVERT WMV AND MPEGS INTO FLV FILES AND MAKE ME A FLASH PLAYER!!!
Apparently it's still too complicated for you to setup because you give a wmv trailer when top sites already embed flash : http://www.dawsondollars.com/site.php
Apparently it's still too complicated for you to setup because you give a wmv trailer when top sites already embed flash : http://www.dawsondollars.com/site.php
yup I get prompted for a 19 meg 40 second download in FF to view the trailer
How the fuck do you expect someone to pay for a blacksonblondes or lex steele memebership when you are giving away a 30 minute video for free? The only thing you can sell on a tube site is interactivity, because you have completely devalued adult content on the web by giving the whole kit-and-kaboodle away!
I have a question: Did you BUY all of that content? Do you have RIGHTS to it to generate more page views for AFF?
You are a fucking theif!
All of these retards trying to sling tube traffic should have their heads chopped off!
If you absolutely want to, you can run a legal tube site where the conetent owners upload their content at their discression like I do with www.snizzshare.com - of course, I've had a lot more trouble generating traffic because there are barely any clips over 2 minutes on it, but the point is, you can still have a tube site and do it right!
A few points:
1. The DVD market is all but dead.
2. All of the porn that was once in members areas is out there for free.
3. It costs a decent amout of money to shoot porn (trust me, I know) and if the consumers mentality is that "all porn is free and only idiots pay" then all will be left is a bunch of big tube sites with huge bandwidth bills, no new content being produced because all of the content house have shut down, and a bunch of stupid muther fucking guys flapping their dicks to fake profiles on AFF.
I hope you are happy now.
I stand at the 1:50000 ratio sending to any paysite, VOD, or Videobox style site...WHY THE FUCK WILL PEOPLE PAY FOR CONTENT THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN!
Apparently it's still too complicated for you to setup because you give a wmv trailer when top sites already embed flash : http://www.dawsondollars.com/site.php
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