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  • Wizzo
    2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
    • Nov 2000
    • 15224
    #251
    Originally posted by Gerco
    Fine. You know what, I'm really getting to the point that I just don't care anymore. It truly is becoming a no win, everyones a crook.

    You know, I build Extremehole, by myself in 1999. No experience, no help. hell, i didn't even know how to create an html page. I've tried to run it in a manner I thought was right. I didn't have to scam, mail, cheat. I didn't have to fuck over people. Everyone I have worked with over the years I still respect and I believe that the same would hold true in reverse. Nobody comes to my defense when there is a situation Just because I'm a BRO and they need to get their ass kissing in for the day... no.. people come in to my defense because they like me, and know I'm right. (there are examples of that all ready on GFY where a BRO company used my content to promote their affiliate program) and then tried to claim it was theirs... even though I was the one IN the fucking video with my wife... ya, they came out looking like idiots. But the Bro team jumped right in to their defense as usual. While at the same time people I actually know and have worked with jumped in for mine.

    Point is, I have always thought you could run an upstanding adult business. Just like you can run any business. Sure, there are always temptations, "easy" money trying to persuade you otherwise, but I have tried to avoid them to the best of my ability. Has this been a factor in my site remaining a smaller site... probably. I sleep fine with it. I can proudly point to it at anytime and feel good about what I have been able to achieve with it. And can say I have never knowingly fucked over, or helped someone fuck over somebody else in the process.

    All the little google comments in an effort to try to make this look any better are not going to change the facts as I see them.
    I have been here since day1 of this board, but never once saw myself as a "Bro" but just as you I always standup for what I believe in. I will support others that in my eyes are stand up as well. Shap is one person in my eyes, that has always tried to do the right thing and I totally understand the situation that He, You, Myself, and any other content producers are in and its time to adapt is the whole point and don't think he's doing this out of greed, but out of business reasoning.

    For Example, you are willing to give affiliates content to promote your site on TGPs, MGPs, and etc which are also full of stolen content, but I would never accuse you of trying to sabotage someone else's business. However, Shap has made the choice to at least do what he can to protect his business/content and suddenly he's the bad guy? I just think that's a little one sided.
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      • Gerco
        Confirmed User
        • Nov 2005
        • 2052
        #252
        Originally posted by AlienQ
        "But to come here and act like they are doing some great thing by getting a site like redtube to "filter" the page that their content is on, while at the same time allowing them to continue to steal and fuck everyone else is another thing."

        So it would be better for Twisty's to be a super hero and regulate tube sites for everyone else? How is that supposed to be his business?

        From another side of this argument one can say other content providers are not taking part in enforcing there own content. Tube sites would have to follow rules if like I said many months ago took active measures on an individualised effort.

        Why you people expect others to wipe your own asses all the time I do not know...

        Honestly again Shap should have never made this thread unless he maybe just wants to see how many other tube sites will contact him that are willing to follow the rules step forward and become legit affilaites for promoting his sites.

        Just hope its worth it to em...
        Probably is most of you guys aint got fuck all for traffic anyways.
        Fuck... sometimes I'm amazed that people can be so thick. How about telling sites like this to fuck off. Not allowing them to become an affiliate and then have you pay them to stay up. You can not be this fucking stupid. See, it's not a matter of them becoming a super hero for anyone... it's a matter of saying "Your entire site is a bunch of stolen content... clean it up and we might work with you, till then please remove all of our content from your site."

        But, in the real world that's not going to happen. Rebtubes etc will find people like this that will pay them. And as your have again clearly pointed out, Twisty's is one of those people.
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          • Gerco
            Confirmed User
            • Nov 2005
            • 2052
            #253
            Originally posted by Wizzo
            I have been here since day1 of this board, but never once saw myself as a "Bro" but just as you I always standup for what I believe in. I will support others that in my eyes are stand up as well. Shap is one person in my eyes, that has always tried to do the right thing and I totally understand the situation that He, You, Myself, and any other content producers are in and its time to adapt is the whole point and don't think he's doing this out of greed, but out of business reasoning.

            For Example, you are willing to give affiliates content to promote your site on TGPs, MGPs, and etc which are also full of stolen content, but I would never accuse you of trying to sabotage someone else's business. However, Shap has made the choice to at least do what he can to protect his business/content and suddenly he's the bad guy? I just think that's a little one sided.
            I never said he was a "bad" guy. I just find a flaw with his approach in this matter.
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              • BradM
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2003
                • 3397
                #254
                Wizzo isn't a bro.

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                  • Snake Doctor
                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                    • Mar 2001
                    • 13449
                    #255
                    Looks like it's time to retire this
                    sig too big

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                      • TheSenator
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 13330
                        #256
                        Reminds me of the old days with TGPs. People will change their minds, adapt and will continue to make money. Others will just fade away...


                        I am an adult webmaster 4 life.
                        ISeekGirls.com since 2005

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                          • Mutt
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 34431
                            #257
                            Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                            Looks like it's time to retire this
                            ha Lenny sucks at Photoshop. use the distort tool.
                            I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                              • ProjectNaked
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 4309
                                #258
                                This thread is filled with bullshit.

                                Bottom line is that Twistys has made a business decision to support content theft and the thieves behind it.

                                Their decision is both unethical and damaging to both the industry and themselves. By supporting and FUNDING illegal sites like redtube, they allow illegal tubes to easily profit from the exploitation of others.

                                Obviously Twistys is not looking long term with their decision and one can only assume they are fattening up for a program sale.

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                                  • xxxice
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 5042
                                    #259
                                    Originally posted by LadyMischief
                                    This is totally true, and makes perfect sense. You're talking to a crowd of people who think surfers still love TGP, and cling tenaciously to thoughts of the past. They have NO idea of the technographics of internet users today... They don't even know what tools they use. It's kind of like trying to convince a brick wall to get up and move a few feet to make room for a new road.
                                    Talk about a brick wall. You don't understand the difference between legal and illegal tube sites. No one here doubts the use of "tube"technology.

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                                      • Wizzo
                                        2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                        • Nov 2000
                                        • 15224
                                        #260
                                        Originally posted by ProjectNaked
                                        This thread is filled with bullshit.

                                        Bottom line is that Twistys has made a business decision to support content theft and the thieves behind it.

                                        Their decision is both unethical and damaging to both the industry and themselves. By supporting and FUNDING illegal sites like redtube, they allow illegal tubes to easily profit from the exploitation of others.

                                        How is that different than programs that support TGPs, MGPs, and Search Engine traffic? They all have stolen content like tubes, and yet its OK to accept their traffic.
                                        Looking for Opportunity!

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                                          • tony299
                                            lurker
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 57021
                                            #261
                                            Originally posted by Wizzo
                                            How is that different than programs that support TGPs, MGPs, and Search Engine traffic? They all have stolen content like tubes, and yet its OK to accept their traffic.
                                            Wizzo you got a great program but your trying waaaay too hard.

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                                              • Mutt
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Sep 2002
                                                • 34431
                                                #262
                                                Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                How is that different than programs that support TGPs, MGPs, and Search Engine traffic? They all have stolen content like tubes, and yet its OK to accept their traffic.
                                                what TGP and MGP's have all stolen content? hasn't been that way in years - there are so many programs with high quality exclusive content that stealing content for galleries isn't done very much.

                                                Search engines don't host adult content.
                                                I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                  • Wizzo
                                                    2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                                    • Nov 2000
                                                    • 15224
                                                    #263
                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                    what TGP and MGP's have all stolen content? hasn't been that way in years - there are so many programs with high quality exclusive content that stealing content for galleries isn't done very much.
                                                    If you are using 1 programs content to promote another that's stolen content and happens ALL the time...

                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                    Search engines don't host adult content.
                                                    But they do profit from it...
                                                    Looking for Opportunity!

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                                                      • the Shemp
                                                        congrats to the winners
                                                        • Nov 2001
                                                        • 10891
                                                        #264
                                                        can someone please show me all this stolen content on my site, or please fuck off...thank you
                                                        i use Vacares...so should you
                                                        Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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                                                          • TheDoc
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                            • 13827
                                                            #265
                                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                                            what TGP and MGP's have all stolen content? hasn't been that way in years - there are so many programs with high quality exclusive content that stealing content for galleries isn't done very much.

                                                            Search engines don't host adult content.
                                                            Really? Cause I know for a fact I have seen my content used on galleries, that do not have promote my sites, being pushed from every major TGP on the market.

                                                            Some of the biggest tgp's and tgp traffic brokers deal almost exclusively in stolen content on self hosted galleries, since most the times the ads rotate out.



                                                            Maybe I see this because I own content?
                                                            ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                            It's all disambiguation

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                                                              • the Shemp
                                                                congrats to the winners
                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                • 10891
                                                                #266
                                                                Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                Really? Cause I know for a fact I have seen my content used on galleries, that do not have promote my sites, being pushed from every major TGP on the market.

                                                                Some of the biggest tgp's and tgp traffic brokers deal almost exclusively in stolen content on self hosted galleries, since most the times the ads rotate out.



                                                                Maybe I see this because I own content?

                                                                show me Doc ?
                                                                i use Vacares...so should you
                                                                Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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                                                                  • tony299
                                                                    lurker
                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                    • 57021
                                                                    #267
                                                                    Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                                    can someone please show me all this stolen content on my site, or please fuck off...thank you
                                                                    Good for you Shemp

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                                                                      • TheDoc
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                        • 13827
                                                                        #268
                                                                        Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                                        can someone please show me all this stolen content on my site, or please fuck off...thank you
                                                                        Umm... Hosted galleries, you link to them and you have no way to prove who the owner of the content is when they strip off the stamps.
                                                                        ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                                        It's all disambiguation

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                                                                          • Wizzo
                                                                            2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                                                            • Nov 2000
                                                                            • 15224
                                                                            #269
                                                                            Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                                            can someone please show me all this stolen content on my site, or please fuck off...thank you
                                                                            fucking off.... but only for you Shemp!


                                                                            Have a great night all...
                                                                            Looking for Opportunity!

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                                                                              • Maz
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                • 135
                                                                                #270
                                                                                What the tube sites are doing has been going on since the beginning of the Internet. The only thing that has changed is that they have found a way to aggregate all of the stolen content into larger and easier to access "pools", and at an accelerated pace. The catalyst for this was allowing surfers to upload content. The fuel on the fire is the widespread increase of broadband access.

                                                                                You also have to be careful how you use the word stolen. If a guy joins your site and downloads a video then uploads it to a tube site, who do you go after? Sounds a lot like the mp3 problem from a while back, and the RIAA is still fighting a losing battle there.

                                                                                If you put content on the Internet, it is going to get stolen, guaranteed. You have to do your best to protect it without pissing of your paying customers, but anything you do is just delaying the inevitable. Once it gets out there you have to pick and choose your battles and monetize it when you can. If anyone thinks we are going to sue the "bad" tube sites into oblivion, then I think you are overestimating the power of this industry to do anything constructive as a group.
                                                                                t-minus whenever it feels right

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                                                                                  • seeric
                                                                                    ..........
                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                    • 41917
                                                                                    #271
                                                                                    Originally posted by ronaldo
                                                                                    I'm usually pretty good at reading between the lines...something you have to do with many of your posts. No offense Airek. Actually, take it as a compliment.

                                                                                    But I must say you've thrown me a little in this thread UNLESS, you've pretty much just given up the fight??
                                                                                    i've changed my stance a little in the sense that for years i have put my own balls and reputation on the line trying to get people to unite on things like 2257, .XXX, Piracy, and i've just grown a little weary of trying to unite a bunch of renegades that are in it for themselves. being around some of the people that i was at the xbiz show, and paying attention to the vibe i was getting from many of the people there, i got the sense that its still very much a Me Me Me thing. No one is uniting on anything. The piracy seminar was a very small fraction of the people at the show. I walked into the hallway during the seminar and to the pool, only to see the hallway and pool area SLAMMED with people chilling and laughing. That piracy seminar should have been standing room only. The one we organized here at the Sheraton in L.A. was more populated. You would think with all the bitching and moaning and "I'm gonna sue you" shit going on, that more people would have cared enough to attend. With the amount of producers in SoCal, that room should have been jammed to the rafters. Its despicable. Sad. Unnerving even.

                                                                                    So, with that said, I've lost my "lets get em team" attitude and am now focused on ME and those who put money in my ban accounts and their interests. I do not believe that this industry can unite. With that said, I am damn sure gonna make well that I will be ok when the shit goes down. I will make decisions to protect myself and the people who put money in my bank accounts. For everyone else, good luck. I talked, the majority of the industry cared not. This is not my battle to fight. I believe that the failure of this industry to unite will one day be it's downfall. In other industries, even thought the companies hate each other, they all unite to stand strong in the face of adversities. We cannot do that. Too many egos.

                                                                                    I wish everyone luck though and i support those that will take an active stance in protecting their intellectual property. I don't walk on water, but I'm giving up carrying the torch for an industry that can't focus on a core issue for longer than it takes to type a post and hit submit in a fit of rage. No one will see me flagrantly posting anymore about things outside the realm of BROness anymore, I will deal with those other ways and actually do more damage by not posting about them. If I've disappointed anyone with my decision to not give a fuck anymore, my apologies. I've got money to make and this thing has taken enough of my valuable time. I've got the PAK Group thing started and thats enough for me.

                                                                                    I am available for consulting at a rate of 1,000,000 USD per hour though.
                                                                                    Last edited by seeric; 02-14-2008, 01:08 PM.

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                                                                                      • TheDoc
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                        • 13827
                                                                                        #272
                                                                                        Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                                                        show me Doc ?
                                                                                        I currently can't find any Tubes or Torrents with my movies on them. Just like I can't find galleries with my stolen content.


                                                                                        But yet, both have happened..
                                                                                        ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                                                        It's all disambiguation

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                                                                                          • the Shemp
                                                                                            congrats to the winners
                                                                                            • Nov 2001
                                                                                            • 10891
                                                                                            #273
                                                                                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                            I currently can't find any Tubes or Torrents with my movies on them. Just like I can't find galleries with my stolen content.


                                                                                            But yet, both have happened..
                                                                                            sure, but please dont generalize like that...i go to a lot of extra work to know my submitters and get a lot of personal info on them...stolen content is not acceptable on my site....and i would delete the content and the submitter in a heartbeat...thanks
                                                                                            i use Vacares...so should you
                                                                                            Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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                                                                                              • bausch
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jul 2006
                                                                                                • 3017
                                                                                                #274
                                                                                                Originally posted by 3xTom
                                                                                                One example I have been noticing is the old school LARGE TGP webmasters
                                                                                                allowing tube site behavior on there own sites...

                                                                                                One example

                                                                                                http://video.xnxx.com/?k=raven+riley

                                                                                                http://video.xnxx.com/video11036/rav..._fucks_outside

                                                                                                XNXX
                                                                                                Come on you telling me he doesn't know that
                                                                                                using full length raven riley content
                                                                                                then plastering all the AFF ads all over it with not one I repeat...
                                                                                                not one single link to us, is allowed or would ever be allowed?

                                                                                                I don't understand the industry or why the old guys that
                                                                                                made there living from this business for years is allowing this instead of fighting it themselves???

                                                                                                Tom
                                                                                                Xnxxx also owns Xvideos.com, another huge tube site.

                                                                                                http://www.xvideos.com/?k=raven+riley+

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                                                                                                  • TheDoc
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                    • 13827
                                                                                                    #275
                                                                                                    Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                                                                    sure, but please dont generalize like that...i go to a lot of extra work to know my submitters and get a lot of personal info on them...stolen content is not acceptable on my site....and i would delete the content and the submitter in a heartbeat...thanks
                                                                                                    And most Tubes will remove a video once they know it's stolen. Not all, but Red Tube does. Just like you.

                                                                                                    You have been in the game a long time, you will have rules, you will have a trust factor with submitters. But newer TGP's don't have that, and neither do tubes.

                                                                                                    Just because you keep your shit clean doesn't mean your trades do. Part of this argument is getting "any" traffic from sources that have stolen material, or benefit from it in any way. After all, not all tube content is stolen.

                                                                                                    BTW, I can show you a "paysite tour" stealing my big dick content. I would bet you have listed his galleries.
                                                                                                    Last edited by TheDoc; 02-14-2008, 01:18 PM.
                                                                                                    ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                                                                    It's all disambiguation

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                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                        best designer on GFY
                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                        • 30307
                                                                                                        #276
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                                        Fuck... sometimes I'm amazed that people can be so thick. How about telling sites like this to fuck off. Not allowing them to become an affiliate and then have you pay them to stay up.
                                                                                                        You are a hopeless romantic, but its cute.

                                                                                                        But all I am saying really is people need to police thier own shit and work where it is possible to generate income. It is irresponsible of other companies to just let thier content go stolen and do nothing at all. Blame them.

                                                                                                        Its part of the new environment and when you see this from the new perspective maybe you will realise you are cussing out the wrong guy.
                                                                                                        Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 02-14-2008, 01:20 PM.

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                                                                                                          • teksonline
                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                            • Jan 2005
                                                                                                            • 2904
                                                                                                            #277
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                            The key is being able to offer members what these other sites can't.
                                                                                                            Chimpanzee's on roller blades?

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                                                                                                              • ProjectNaked
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                • 4309
                                                                                                                #278
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                                                                How is that different than programs that support TGPs, MGPs, and Search Engine traffic? They all have stolen content like tubes, and yet its OK to accept their traffic.
                                                                                                                I seriously hope you are joking - you can not possibly be this clueless.

                                                                                                                Last night I found a gallery on a tgp that had ripped all 16 of its images from one of my fhgs and then pointed to a different site. The thief neglected to remove my watermarks and even USED MY IMAGE FOR THE THUMBNAIL!!! The worst part is that the gallery was a free hosted gallery from the sponsor. YES, THE SPONSOR MADE THE GALLERY AND THEN MADE IT AVAILABLE TO ANY AFFILIATES. I can not prove the tgp owner who approved it knew it was stolen content - but they would have to be pretty dense not to when my galleries are and have been listed on their tgp for years.

                                                                                                                There are few people in this industry with any ethics - it is a fact. Adult is a get rich, renagade industry. The problem is when real business people try to prosper they quickly come to the realization that adult is the most ass-backwards industry on the face of the earth.

                                                                                                                Theft is theft and supporting it should be considered treason, punishable by death in the adult industry.

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                                                                                                                  • ronaldo
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                    • 5475
                                                                                                                    #279
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                    i've changed my stance a little in the sense that for years i have put my own balls and reputation on the line trying to get people to unite on things like 2257, .XXX, Piracy, and i've just grown a little weary of trying to unite a bunch of renegades that are in it for themselves. being around some of the people that i was at the xbiz show, and paying attention to the vibe i was getting from many of the people there, i got the sense that its still very much a Me Me Me thing. No one is uniting on anything. The piracy seminar was a very small fraction of the people at the show. I walked into the hallway during the seminar and to the pool, only to see the hallway and pool area SLAMMED with people chilling and laughing. That piracy seminar should have been standing room only. The one we organized here at the Sheraton in L.A. was more populated. You would think with all the bitching and moaning and "I'm gonna sue you" shit going on, that more people would have cared enough to attend. With the amount of producers in SoCal, that room should have been jammed to the rafters. Its despicable. Sad. Unnerving even.

                                                                                                                    So, with that said, I've lost my "lets get em team" attitude and am now focused on ME and those who put money in my ban accounts and their interests. I do not believe that this industry can unite. With that said, I am damn sure gonna make well that I will be ok when the shit goes down. I will make decisions to protect myself and the people who put money in my bank accounts. For everyone else, good luck. I talked, the majority of the industry cared not. This is not my battle to fight. I believe that the failure of this industry to unite will one day be it's downfall. In other industries, even thought the companies hate each other, they all unite to stand strong in the face of adversities. We cannot do that. Too many egos.

                                                                                                                    I wish everyone luck though and i support those that will take an active stance in protecting their intellectual property. I don't walk on water, but I'm giving up carrying the torch for an industry that can't focus on a core issue for longer than it takes to type a post and hit submit in a fit of rage. No one will see me flagrantly posting anymore about things outside the realm of BROness anymore, I will deal with those other ways and actually do more damage by not posting about them. If I've disappointed anyone with my decision to not give a fuck anymore, my apologies. I've got money to make and this thing has taken enough of my valuable time. I've got the PAK Group thing started and thats enough for me.

                                                                                                                    I am available for consulting at a rate of 1,000,000 USD per hour though.
                                                                                                                    Hmm. Not many lines to read between there. You sounded a little resigned in this thread, which is why I asked.

                                                                                                                    I understand what you're saying and totally understand and respect it Airek.

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                                                                                                                      • Theo
                                                                                                                        HAL 9000
                                                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                                                        • 34515
                                                                                                                        #280
                                                                                                                        The bottom line of this is that the adult industry is keep sticking to the mentality of offering more and more for free making the product it sells less and less attractive. I doesn't have to do with ppl that can adapt and those that can't anymore. It has exceeded these borders and it's hurting itself for long time now. Oh well.... nothing new.

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                                                                                                                          • the Shemp
                                                                                                                            congrats to the winners
                                                                                                                            • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                            • 10891
                                                                                                                            #281
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                            And most Tubes will remove a video once they know it's stolen. Not all, but Red Tube does. Just like you.

                                                                                                                            You have been in the game a long time, you will have rules, you will have a trust factor with submitters. But newer TGP's don't have that, and neither do tubes.

                                                                                                                            Just because you keep your shit clean doesn't mean your trades do. Part of this argument is getting "any" traffic from sources that have stolen material, or benefit from it in any way. After all, not all tube content is stolen.

                                                                                                                            BTW, I can show you a "paysite tour" stealing my big dick content. I would bet you have listed his galleries.
                                                                                                                            Doc, if you can show me a gallery on my site that that is using your content without your permission, a simple email will take care of it...i can promise you that...and whoever submitted it wont be submitting anymore...its always been that way...
                                                                                                                            you are giving the impression that tgps are full of stolen content, which isnt true...with so many free sponsor hosted galleries available...sponsors are falling over each other trying to give as much free stuff out as possible...there is no need to use stolen content on a TGP...

                                                                                                                            I dont see any similarity between illegal tube sites and tgps, i can see a trend to a legal tube site though and so be it...
                                                                                                                            i use Vacares...so should you
                                                                                                                            Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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                                                                                                                              • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                • 13827
                                                                                                                                #282
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                                                                                                Doc, if you can show me a gallery on my site that that is using your content without your permission, a simple email will take care of it...i can promise you that...and whoever submitted it wont be submitting anymore...its always been that way...
                                                                                                                                you are giving the impression that tgps are full of stolen content, which isnt true...with so many free sponsor hosted galleries available...sponsors are falling over each other trying to give as much free stuff out as possible...there is no need to use stolen content on a TGP...

                                                                                                                                I dont see any similarity between illegal tube sites and tgps, i can see a trend to a legal tube site though and so be it...
                                                                                                                                I know that I can email you about any gallery issues. I haven't ever had an issue with a bigger TGP removing questionable galleries. I have never had a problem with a Tube site removing content either.

                                                                                                                                You run a clean TGP, just like several others run clean Tube sites. So it's not fair to them to group all Tubes into the illegal category, just like it isn't fair to say all TGPs deal in stolen content.

                                                                                                                                And on that note, with Shap working on a "clean" version of advertising on Red Tube, he isn't breaking any direct laws, making what he is doing legal and smart.
                                                                                                                                Last edited by TheDoc; 02-14-2008, 01:37 PM.
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                                                                                                                                  • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 13827
                                                                                                                                    #283
                                                                                                                                    Or I could give this another twist... What about all the major companies that got hammered for spamming by the FTC?

                                                                                                                                    Aren't those all your favorite programs that I see all time, posted here? Hell will76 openly supports a program that openly rips people off, but if you target stolen content, you are a thief?

                                                                                                                                    Other than a few, most of us promote at least one of the companies that got busted spamming by the Gov. They admitted guilt and got fined. But that's okay, why?
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                                                                                                                                      • seeric
                                                                                                                                        ..........
                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                        • 41917
                                                                                                                                        #284
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by ronaldo
                                                                                                                                        Hmm. Not many lines to read between there. You sounded a little resigned in this thread, which is why I asked.

                                                                                                                                        I understand what you're saying and totally understand and respect it Airek.
                                                                                                                                        i'm mentally beat to be honest. the time i wasted trying to get people to unite on this subject i could have invested in seo on my personal projects and made 1000's more in revenue.



                                                                                                                                        i feel like i'm letting down the good guys a little, but i'm still there, lurking in the shadows, watching.

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                                                                                                                                          • the Shemp
                                                                                                                                            congrats to the winners
                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 10891
                                                                                                                                            #285
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                            And on that note, with Shap working on a "clean" version of advertising on Red Tube, he isn't breaking any direct laws, making what he is doing legal and smart.
                                                                                                                                            im just hoping Shap will let me use 3 minute clips
                                                                                                                                            i use Vacares...so should you
                                                                                                                                            Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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                                                                                                                                              • Shoplifter
                                                                                                                                                Richest man in Babylon
                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 5863
                                                                                                                                                #286
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                The key is being able to offer members what these other sites can't.

                                                                                                                                                I have never seen any porn site, anywhere anytime that is anywhere near as good as torrent sites like puretna etc. The problem isn't just the theft at tube and torrent sites...It's that they make it so damn eeeezzzzz.

                                                                                                                                                Unique content is entirely irrelevant...How long will it be unique for exactly?
                                                                                                                                                The adult industry is going to have to learn to monetize content in an environment where content is largely worthless. And to prove that point a lot of the larger TGP guys are now making most of their money by selling traffic, NOT subscriptions.

                                                                                                                                                As far as Twisty's goes...I don't think you are right...But what else are you going to do nowadays?

                                                                                                                                                As an aside to all this I have recently had some time off and spent a bit of it playing online games and listening into the chatter. All of the of 18-25 year olds online talked about porn in the form of torrents, and nothing else. I'm convinced that almost the entire next generation of surfers have already been conditioned to expect content for free.
                                                                                                                                                I Like Blondes

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                                                                                                                                                  • Shap
                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                    • 8313
                                                                                                                                                    #287
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                                                                                                                    im just hoping Shap will let me use 3 minute clips
                                                                                                                                                    All Twistys affiliates can use 3 minute clips to promote us.

                                                                                                                                                    Anybody who's logged in to our affiliate area knows we don't hold back on content we give our affiliates to use. I believe we current have 4500 photosets and 1500 videos for our affiliates to choose from.

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                                                                                                                                                      • papill0n
                                                                                                                                                        Unregistered Abuser
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2007
                                                                                                                                                        • 15547
                                                                                                                                                        #288
                                                                                                                                                        Redtube has built traffic based on stolen full length movies. That is a fucking fact. To then try to convince people it is ok because there are no stolen full length videos on the specific pages a sponsor advertises on so it is all somehow ok is so fucking funny it is a JOKE. I honestly cannot believe that I am reading what I am reading.

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                                                                                                                                                          • the Shemp
                                                                                                                                                            congrats to the winners
                                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 10891
                                                                                                                                                            #289
                                                                                                                                                            [QUOTE=Shap;13782507]All Twistys affiliates can use 3 minute clips to promote us.

                                                                                                                                                            QUOTE]

                                                                                                                                                            excellent, thanks
                                                                                                                                                            i use Vacares...so should you
                                                                                                                                                            Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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                                                                                                                                                              • Martin
                                                                                                                                                                "Assassins"
                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 17274
                                                                                                                                                                #290
                                                                                                                                                                Hey Shap you have to admit, pretty sad state of affairs this business is in.. I mean take a look at these sites. They have FULL member areas open for free and most of the content is ripped off.. It's just not good for anybody anyway you look at it. I just hope one day we come to our senses and realize that it's gone too far..
                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Martin; 02-14-2008, 01:55 PM. Reason: spelling

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Shap
                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                    • 8313
                                                                                                                                                                    #291
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Shoplifter
                                                                                                                                                                    I have never seen any porn site, anywhere anytime that is anywhere near as good as torrent sites like puretna etc. The problem isn't just the theft at tube and torrent sites...It's that they make it so damn eeeezzzzz.

                                                                                                                                                                    Unique content is entirely irrelevant...How long will it be unique for exactly?
                                                                                                                                                                    The adult industry is going to have to learn to monetize content in an environment where content is largely worthless. And to prove that point a lot of the larger TGP guys are now making most of their money by selling traffic, NOT subscriptions.

                                                                                                                                                                    As far as Twisty's goes...I don't think you are right...But what else are you going to do nowadays?

                                                                                                                                                                    As an aside to all this I have recently had some time off and spent a bit of it playing online games and listening into the chatter. All of the of 18-25 year olds online talked about porn in the form of torrents, and nothing else. I'm convinced that almost the entire next generation of surfers have already been conditioned to expect content for free.
                                                                                                                                                                    I agree. I'll go a step further and say that besides paying for goods and services people are being conditioned that everything on the web should be free.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                                                                                        best designer on GFY
                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                        • 30307
                                                                                                                                                                        #292
                                                                                                                                                                        I invented Monitizing Content.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Shap
                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 8313
                                                                                                                                                                            #293
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Martin
                                                                                                                                                                            Hey Shap you have to admit, pretty sad state of affairs this business is in.. I mean take a look at these sites. They have FULL member areas open for free and most of the content is ripped off.. It's just not good for anybody anyway you look at it. I just hope one day we come to our sense and realize that it's gone too far..
                                                                                                                                                                            Our industry is headed in a very scary direction and it's headed there at a very high speed. Definitely a sad and scary state.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • qxm
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                • 5970
                                                                                                                                                                                #294
                                                                                                                                                                                Fuck.......I love Twistys but something in this thread gave me diarrhea........


                                                                                                                                                                                The problem I see with tubes is that "we" webmasters, owners and everyone working in adult makes money from making people pay to access that content and wack off to it.........if everyone starts giving it away........specially the ones with content worth paying for........what tha fuck is going to happen to this industry?..........guess this is scarry for smaller affiliates and not for affiliate programs:

                                                                                                                                                                                Our industry is headed in a very scary direction and it's headed there at a very high speed. Definitely a sad and scary state.
                                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by qxm; 02-14-2008, 01:58 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Shap
                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 8313
                                                                                                                                                                                    #295
                                                                                                                                                                                    [QUOTE=the Shemp;13782519]
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                                                    All Twistys affiliates can use 3 minute clips to promote us.

                                                                                                                                                                                    QUOTE]

                                                                                                                                                                                    excellent, thanks
                                                                                                                                                                                    If you'd like us to build you a flash player and set it all up for you just let us know. We'll do all the work for you and let you sit back and collect the checks

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                        Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 42635
                                                                                                                                                                                        #296
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Maz
                                                                                                                                                                                        I have worked for Shap for 5 years as his apprentice. I am 6' 3" and I would not fuck with him. He is built like a brick shit house and used to play Junior hockey. If you want to go after Shap, you better bring a bat. If I am there you better bring two bats. I use TWO lightsabers
                                                                                                                                                                                        Should You Email Your Members?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                                                                        "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 13827
                                                                                                                                                                                            #297
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by RageCash-Ben
                                                                                                                                                                                            Redtube has built traffic based on stolen full length movies. That is a fucking fact. To then try to convince people it is ok because there are no stolen full length videos on the specific pages a sponsor advertises on so it is all somehow ok is so fucking funny it is a JOKE. I honestly cannot believe that I am reading what I am reading.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Oh come on Ben, you act like RageCash hasn't ever done something a little shady. You guys haven't ever mailed an ex member? Never promoted a known spam company? Never did prechecks to those companies?

                                                                                                                                                                                            Come on.. What Shap is doing is 100 times cleaner than what your average program allows.
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • the Shemp
                                                                                                                                                                                                congrats to the winners
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 10891
                                                                                                                                                                                                #298
                                                                                                                                                                                                [QUOTE=Shap;13782555]
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by the Shemp

                                                                                                                                                                                                If you'd like us to build you a flash player and set it all up for you just let us know. We'll do all the work for you and let you sit back and collect the checks
                                                                                                                                                                                                absolutely, you can start on it right away..
                                                                                                                                                                                                i use Vacares...so should you
                                                                                                                                                                                                Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • papill0n
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Unregistered Abuser
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 15547
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #299
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh come on Ben, you act like RageCash hasn't ever done something a little shady. You guys haven't ever mailed an ex member? Never promoted a known spam company? Never did prechecks to those companies?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Come on.. What Shap is doing is 100 times cleaner than what your average program allows.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I would bet my life IF he has done anything shady it is not even close to advertising on sites FULL of stolen content and full length movies.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 13827
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #300
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by RageCash-Ben
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I would bet my life IF he has done anything shady it is not even close to advertising on sites FULL of stolen content and full length movies.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        He doesn't advertise "next" to those things. He is using the traffic though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Exactly like the programs that used to push on p2p networks with video popups and anyone who has ever marketed on newsgroups.
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