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  • TheDoc
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2001
    • 13827
    #201
    How many of you 'Webmasters' that don't agree with Shap, actually produce content? I just see how anyone that doesn't produce content can complain about what a content producer does with the content.

    At that, I don't see how most programs can complain about content theft when 99% of them mail ex members and in there own minds don't think it's spam. They complain about one illegal activity but turn a blind eye to their own.
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      • Shap
        Confirmed User
        • May 2001
        • 8313
        #202
        Originally posted by AlmightyZeus
        Some of you are acting like complete clowns. As an affiliate I'm extremely happy that the Twistys crew took the necessary steps to ensure redtube follow a strict set of guidelines.
        My only wish is that more paysites follow suit. Grouping together and setting rules is a win/win situation in the long run.

        I'm happy that surfers won't be able to download full length twistys videos on redtube anymore. It's the most important thing for affiliates, the playing fields have been levelled.
        Thank you Almighty.

        One of my duties to Twistys affiliates is to make sure their promotion of Twistys yields them great returns. To achieve that it is important that the promo tools they use have high value. If complete scenes of ours are available on every tube site then that lowers the value of Twistys to our affiliates. Protecting our content one of my priorities.

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          • will76
            Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
            • May 2003
            • 18037
            #203
            Originally posted by A1R3K
            ok, now this makes me cry.

            no no no you just said he is protecting his business. so whats wrong with that, he is protecting his business income by doing business with them too. brazzers is also protecting thier income too.


            You people (not you Airek) but the last 10 posts I just read saying that shap is doing the right thing, everyone is in this for themselves, make as much money as you can, its ok to do business with the people fucking everyone if you think it is protecting your busuiness in the process. etc....

            there is no point in posting any more. we should all use zango to protect our business we should all do business with sites that only exist because of stolen content, everyone else is doing it so we all should do it. it's all about making money at any cost. lets make it a free for all and see who is left standing, fuck everyone to protect yourself. yes this is the solution.

            very sad. but continue on with your orgy of justifications, I am done with this thread. I Just want to know who works with these theives and who doesnt. thats all i care about at this point.

            you know the level of shit is pretty bad when people are posting where some members of clickash were mad, as a defence to what they are doing, or as an attempt to say i am doing something wrong. lots of really fucking stupid people in this thread.
            Last edited by will76; 02-14-2008, 10:45 AM.
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              • TampaToker
                Confirmed User
                • May 2006
                • 5828
                #204
                Originally posted by vanderweb
                I for one am glad it was; it's almost like proof. Lets hope that Brazzers does the same so when these illegal tube sites get lawsuits against them maybe the people that fund them will take some of the responsibility as well.
                I just curious why it was posted lol they knew there was gonna be flack about it. They obviously ain't gonna change there mind about it. There friends are going to come in and back them. There are people who are gonna be pissed about it so what was the point of the post?
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                  • notoldschool
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 5687
                    #205
                    Originally posted by TampaToker
                    I just curious why it was posted lol they knew there was gonna be flack about it. They obviously ain't gonna change there mind about it. There friends are going to come in and back them. There are people who are gonna be pissed about it so what was the point of the post?
                    Like I said on the first page of this thread. He posted it to throw in the affiliates and content producers face that he doenst give a shit who he fucks to get a couple extra bucks. Not a program I would do biz with.
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                      • wizzart
                        scriptmaster
                        • May 2006
                        • 5246
                        #206
                        If I ever will have enough money I will buy server in Malesia and install tube script and upload all brazzers, twistys ... ,and other affiliates who make deal whit redtube, full scenes what I can find on warez boards and put ads to Zango viruses, so then can fuck you and all surfers who want free porn!
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                          • Barefootsies
                            Choice is an Illusion
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 42635
                            #207
                            Originally posted by Damian_Maxcash
                            I am assuming by that responce you dont agree

                            Why go in all guns blazing against something that isnt going away?

                            Negotiate with them and give them reasons to follow the rules....
                            I love this argument.

                            Now go tell the police to "negotiate" with the criminals, and military to "negotiate" with the terrorists.

                            That is, essentially, what you are saying. Since you can't enforce the law, or choose not to, then work out a compromise with the criminals.

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                              • TampaToker
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2006
                                • 5828
                                #208
                                Originally posted by TheDoc
                                How many of you 'Webmasters' that don't agree with Shap, actually produce content? I just see how anyone that doesn't produce content can complain about what a content producer does with the content.

                                At that, I don't see how most programs can complain about content theft when 99% of them mail ex members and in there own minds don't think it's spam. They complain about one illegal activity but turn a blind eye to their own.
                                There is nothing wrong what they are doing with there content its there they can do as they see fit. Now that issue is between them and there affiliates . Now on the other hand there shit may be regulated. But a surfer is bound to come across twistys stuff thru other peoples content posted on the site which is stolen. So in sense twisys is making profit off of stolen content.
                                Last edited by TampaToker; 02-14-2008, 10:52 AM.
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                                  • will76
                                    Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                    • May 2003
                                    • 18037
                                    #209
                                    Originally posted by mpahlca
                                    First Pyramid scheme Is a reference to a series of investments that lead to no results, whether that be time or money. In your case i am using the reference to the poor saps who invest time that is stolen from them.

                                    OK here is how it goes http://teamclickcash.com/ is your site, you get unsuspecting and uninformed people to promote these sites and programs that directly are reportedly responsible for ripping off their consumers, (again check ripoffreports.com) then you make money by their time and investment directly from your "lead"

                                    Now to expand on this you come to GFY create a persona of benevolence and use that to attract new webmasters but to not limit yourself to just clickcash and to distance yourself from them, you go with ALL sponsors that offer a webmaster referral %.

                                    This is how you operate you pray on people like some guru promising riches, yet in reality you are nothing more than a level above them on a chain of %'s.

                                    And btw I have never liked your sig better than I do right now.
                                    one last post for the mentally challenged. Its called an affilaite program you fucking retard. 99% of the sponsors her offer a referral program for webmasters to refer other webmasters. That is all I have ever done with teamclickash. I help people who refer me when they signup to clickcash. I also haven't promoted this site in years. It wasn;t in my sig either.

                                    You can find a complaint by surfers for just about every big company in the world, including big adult companies.

                                    Who the fuck am i promosing riches. Jesus christ, this is by far the most stupid person on GFY and the stupid post I have read in the 5 years posting here. I promise people riches I run a pyramid scheme.
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                                      • ronaldo
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 5475
                                        #210
                                        Originally posted by TampaToker
                                        I just curious why it was posted lol they knew there was gonna be flack about it. They obviously ain't gonna change there mind about it. There friends are going to come in and back them. There are people who are gonna be pissed about it so what was the point of the post?
                                        If nothing else, being proactive rather than reactive at least shows that they aren't trying to hide anything. It prevents them from being called out and having to respond when they're unprepared or look bad taking the time to come up with a response. In this case, they did it on their terms and were prepared.

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                                          • TampaToker
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2006
                                            • 5828
                                            #211
                                            Originally posted by will76
                                            one last post for the mentally challenged. Its called an affilaite program you fucking retard. 99% of the sponsors her offer a referral program for webmasters to refer other webmasters. That is all I have ever done with teamclickash. I help people who refer me when they signup to clickcash. I also haven't promoted this site in years. It wasn;t in my sig either.

                                            You can find a complaint by surfers for just about every big company in the world, including big adult companies.

                                            Who the fuck am i promosing riches. Jesus christ, this is by far the most stupid person on GFY and the stupid post I have read in the 5 years posting here. I promise people riches I run a pyramid scheme.
                                            Were do i sign up
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                                              • Wizzo
                                                2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                                • Nov 2000
                                                • 15224
                                                #212
                                                Just a little history lesson for many of you, there once was a time that MOST TGPs had nothing but stolen pic galleries and were looked upon the same as tubesites are today. However, over time that changed.

                                                I think what Shap is doing is what many of us sponsors are doing, or going to have to do, and that is to adapt to a new market and try and work something out with these sites. Tubesites are going away anytime soon and I'm willing to bet they will likely take over the tgp market for the most part.

                                                Redtube is a good example of a guy trying to change his model from stolen content to sponsor content because he wants to make money and that's likely what many will do.
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                                                  • Shap
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • May 2001
                                                    • 8313
                                                    #213
                                                    Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                    I love this argument.

                                                    Now go tell the police to "negotiate" with the criminals, and military to "negotiate" with the terrorists.

                                                    That is, essentially, what you are saying. Since you can't enforce the law, or choose not to, then work out a compromise with the criminals.

                                                    Are you saying police and military don't negotiate with criminals and terrorists?

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                                                      • tony299
                                                        lurker
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 57021
                                                        #214
                                                        Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                        Just a little history lesson for many of you, there once was a time that MOST TGPs had nothing but stolen pic galleries and were looked upon the same as tubesites are today. However, over time that changed.

                                                        I think what Shap is doing is what many of us sponsors are doing, or going to have to do, and that is to adapt to a new market and try and work something out with these sites. Tubesites are going away anytime soon and I'm willing to bet they will likely take over the tgp market for the most part.

                                                        Redtube is a good example of a guy trying to change his model from stolen content to sponsor content because he wants to make money and that's likely what many will do.
                                                        Here once again I pose this question it keeps getting ignored but if money is the motivator.Then it really has to be looked at. Surfers get used to 20 min scenes for free, do you think he will then be happy with 2 min clips and having to buy a membership to see more or will he just look for the next tube site no one made a deal with yet?

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                                                          • greg80
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2007
                                                            • 1644
                                                            #215
                                                            Great text shap. Internet is changing and it's the fact. Tube sites are there, this is how the net goes right now. The core of tube sites should be that they are run by USER content (home porn). Stolen content will always appear on the net, it's not just a problem of tube sites, but they have to be responsible and immidiately remove any reported content.

                                                            The core idea of tube sites is not bad imho, but some sites don't act fast enough to remove the copyrighted content.

                                                            I am glad I use shap cash as one of my sponsors and I will now start sending you more traffic.
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                                                              • mpahlca
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                • 1821
                                                                #216
                                                                Originally posted by will76
                                                                one last post for the mentally challenged. Its called an affilaite program you fucking retard. 99% of the sponsors her offer a referral program for webmasters to refer other webmasters. That is all I have ever done with teamclickash. I help people who refer me when they signup to clickcash. I also haven't promoted this site in years. It wasn;t in my sig either.

                                                                You can find a complaint by surfers for just about every big company in the world, including big adult companies.

                                                                Who the fuck am i promosing riches. Jesus christ, this is by far the most stupid person on GFY and the stupid post I have read in the 5 years posting here. I promise people riches I run a pyramid scheme.
                                                                Fantastic its an affiliate program so then what paysite or sites you run that customers can join? or is it still just really a scheme.

                                                                As for the promising riches, here are some quotes from you:

                                                                "... This website is not about me! I don't need the recognition, the money is plenty enough to make me happy. The only reason I mention my success is to build credibility. I know I would much rather listen to a person that has proven he knows how to make a lot of money then listen to someone that thinks he knows it all and has never made a penny.

                                                                ... I have been working in the adult online industry for over 5 years. I started as a model on web cam on ifriends and then created my own membership site. After creating and advertising memberships sites for over a year I started adding affiliates to my sites and realized in no time that the affiliates were making more then my membership site, with 10X less up keep and headaches. I shifted all my advertising to my affiliates and had a lot more time available to learn and find new ways to advertise. After trying a bunch of affiliate sites (some are still around today), I happened to come across ClickCash. I switched everything over to them and literarily tripled my income overnight. Who can beat a FREE signup program that pays you from $40 - $80! for each FREE Signup!"

                                                                If that is not inferring success, I don't understand your usage of the English language.

                                                                Anyway onto referring affiliates to other programs for me....
                                                                I could give two shits wether you read this sig or not.

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                                                                  • mpahlca
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                    • 1821
                                                                    #217
                                                                    Originally posted by TampaToker
                                                                    Were do i sign up
                                                                    Actually i was gonna ask that too, but it seems to have disappeared.....
                                                                    I could give two shits wether you read this sig or not.

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                                                                      • Tubestone
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Feb 2008
                                                                        • 189
                                                                        #218
                                                                        It's good to know there's people like you guys that understand what Tube sites are. Everyone is against tube sites and in my opinion it's because they're a new idea to the porn industry and if you know how to run em you can make good money out of it.
                                                                        I'm not saying Tube owners should steal content to get more traffic, there's some legit ways to reach a huge amount of traffic without stealing(from my own experience)
                                                                        Tube sites are the new version of TGPs, at least that's how I see it. Besides we all know there's a lot of haters out there because some people are creatives at a good timing too.

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                                                                          • TampaToker
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • May 2006
                                                                            • 5828
                                                                            #219
                                                                            Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                            Just a little history lesson for many of you, there once was a time that MOST TGPs had nothing but stolen pic galleries and were looked upon the same as tubesites are today. However, over time that changed.

                                                                            I think what Shap is doing is what many of us sponsors are doing, or going to have to do, and that is to adapt to a new market and try and work something out with these sites. Tubesites are going away anytime soon and I'm willing to bet they will likely take over the tgp market for the most part.

                                                                            Redtube is a good example of a guy trying to change his model from stolen content to sponsor content because he wants to make money and that's likely what many will do.
                                                                            lol yeah i agree buckle to sites that been stealing your shit then work a deal with them while so they wont jack your content no more. Then while they are collecting sales they start another tube site under different name fill there new tube site up with stolen and once they are on radar again use the user submitted loop whole once again.
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                                                                              • chompers
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jul 2005
                                                                                • 189
                                                                                #220
                                                                                Originally posted by mpahlca
                                                                                Actually i was gonna ask that too, but it seems to have disappeared.....
                                                                                What the fuck is a mpahlca anyhow? What type of nick is that. Get a real nick like "Platinum Dave"
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                                                                                  • DateDoc
                                                                                    Outside looking in.
                                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                                    • 14243
                                                                                    #221
                                                                                    TWISTYSTUBE.COM is available!

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                                                                                      • stickyfingerz
                                                                                        Doin fine
                                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                                        • 24984
                                                                                        #222
                                                                                        Finally someone saying how it really is. The people living in fairytale land thinking they can round up millions of fleas using a pair of chopsticks. Be proactive like twistys, and find ways to keep all your new content coming out from getting 'easily' ripped off.

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                                                                                          • chompers
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jul 2005
                                                                                            • 189
                                                                                            #223
                                                                                            I can't wait for my real hero to wake up from his all night bender to rip Shap a new one.

                                                                                            Join us and say FUCK RED TUBE and HELL YEAH COCAINE!

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                                                                                              • TampaToker
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • May 2006
                                                                                                • 5828
                                                                                                #224
                                                                                                Originally posted by mpahlca
                                                                                                Actually i was gonna ask that too, but it seems to have disappeared.....
                                                                                                Well maybe because there was no scheme. I been working with will for the last 3 years. Will is one of the ethical one i will continue to work with. Now if will ever decided to go to the "dark side" thats were we will part. He has been consistent over the past 3 years. Not like some flip flopper's i have seen in this thread posting in the last 6 months *cough *cough
                                                                                                Last edited by TampaToker; 02-14-2008, 11:12 AM.
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                                                                                                  • Shap
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                    • 8313
                                                                                                    #225
                                                                                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                    Here once again I pose this question it keeps getting ignored but if money is the motivator.Then it really has to be looked at. Surfers get used to 20 min scenes for free, do you think he will then be happy with 2 min clips and having to buy a membership to see more or will he just look for the next tube site no one made a deal with yet?
                                                                                                    The key is being able to offer members what these other sites can't.

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                                                                                                      • Gerco
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Nov 2005
                                                                                                        • 2052
                                                                                                        #226
                                                                                                        Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                        How many of you 'Webmasters' that don't agree with Shap, actually produce content? I just see how anyone that doesn't produce content can complain about what a content producer does with the content.

                                                                                                        At that, I don't see how most programs can complain about content theft when 99% of them mail ex members and in there own minds don't think it's spam. They complain about one illegal activity but turn a blind eye to their own.
                                                                                                        First off. I'm not and affiliate. I have a couple small affiliate accounts to programs that fit my site, but even stopped pushing them. I have produced all my own content, content which is taken and shared on redtube and sites like redtube. I can complain because it's actions like this that allow the redtube sites to continue.

                                                                                                        I have NEVER mailed. I have NEVER spammed. The affiliates that promote me, have done so for a LONG time and continue to do well. I'm the "little" guy, not in the bro circle... so nobody really gives a 2 shits. That's fine. I have never really cared much about it. I know for a fact that I'm in this by myself. But, to see someone blatantly support the very essence of what is wrong with this business is just fucked up. The good thing about it is that, when the time comes and the and these sites have to answer for themselves in court, their association will be clear.

                                                                                                        If your knowingly benefiting from the traffic created by stolen content from others you are no better than the original thieves. Simple as that.
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                                                                                                          • Barefootsies
                                                                                                            Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                                                                            • 42635
                                                                                                            #227
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                            Are you saying police and military don't negotiate with criminals and terrorists?
                                                                                                            Should You Email Your Members?

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                                                                                                              • mpahlca
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                • 1821
                                                                                                                #228
                                                                                                                Originally posted by TampaToker
                                                                                                                Well maybe because there was no scheme. I been working with will for the last 3 years. Will is one of the ethical one i will continue to work with. Now if will ever decided to go to the "dark side" thats were we will part. He has been consistent over the past 3 years. Not like some flip flopper's i have seen in this thread posting in the last 6 months *cough *cough
                                                                                                                Cool, glad its working for you, so in regards to flip flopper's is that a Jon Kerry reference of some kind? like some way to discredit our argument? But hey good luck with your success and I hope it continues.
                                                                                                                I could give two shits wether you read this sig or not.

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                                                                                                                  • SomeCreep
                                                                                                                    :glugglug
                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                    • 26118
                                                                                                                    #229
                                                                                                                    One day, adult tube sites will be just as abundant as TGPs and MGPs. For those who can't grasp the concept of this new phase in online adult evolution, let me explain it, because it's actually pretty simple.

                                                                                                                    Whoever can give away the most free porn and still be profitable, wins.

                                                                                                                    It started with pic posts, then TGPs, then MGPs, then mega TGPs and MGPs with 10,000+ FHGs like xnxx.com. and tiava.com. Now, it's tube sites.

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                                                                                                                      • TheDoc
                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                        • 13827
                                                                                                                        #230
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                                                        First off. I'm not and affiliate. I have a couple small affiliate accounts to programs that fit my site, but even stopped pushing them. I have produced all my own content, content which is taken and shared on redtube and sites like redtube. I can complain because it's actions like this that allow the redtube sites to continue.

                                                                                                                        I have NEVER mailed. I have NEVER spammed. The affiliates that promote me, have done so for a LONG time and continue to do well. I'm the "little" guy, not in the bro circle... so nobody really gives a 2 shits. That's fine. I have never really cared much about it. I know for a fact that I'm in this by myself. But, to see someone blatantly support the very essence of what is wrong with this business is just fucked up. The good thing about it is that, when the time comes and the and these sites have to answer for themselves in court, their association will be clear.

                                                                                                                        If your knowingly benefiting from the traffic created by stolen content from others you are no better than the original thieves. Simple as that.
                                                                                                                        Actions like this do not allow red tube to continue on, they would continue on either way. That's the point.

                                                                                                                        And since you haven't mailed and own your own content, then you would fit into that 1% spot. You still can't complain what others choose to do with something they own.

                                                                                                                        For "years" I have put my content on newsgroups and forums, does that mean I support theft? After all they have stolen content/products? If I screw with password trade traffic, convert my leaks into sales - traffic produced from password sites, irc, groups, ect? Do I continue to support GFY when its users post copyrighted pictures or like in the buy sell forum, people selling other companies scripts?

                                                                                                                        You starting to see the pattern?
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                                                                                                                          • fuzebox
                                                                                                                            making it rain
                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                            • 22365
                                                                                                                            #231
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by xmas13
                                                                                                                            A tube (and torrent/p2p) user is after free stuff, movies music software and porn, not promo clips trailers etc.
                                                                                                                            .....except that tube traffic converts.

                                                                                                                            Yes, even when selling paysite memberships.

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                                                                                                                              • TampaToker
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • May 2006
                                                                                                                                • 5828
                                                                                                                                #232
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by mpahlca
                                                                                                                                Cool, glad its working for you, so in regards to flip flopper's is that a Jon Kerry reference of some kind? like some way to discredit our argument? But hey good luck with your success and I hope it continues.
                                                                                                                                Actually no reference to Jon Kerry lol but if you wanna go with that we can. Shap been posting industry this industry that for the last 6 months then post this today. Point being if there is still stolen content on redtube twistys is making a profit off stolen stuff
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                                                                                                                                  • ladida
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                    • 2179
                                                                                                                                    #233
                                                                                                                                    You can try to spin it as much as you want, you went down the "dark" side... I dont care how you do your business, none of the content theft and tube shit digs in my pocket, however, at least be clear about it. We fuck you to make more money, good for you!
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                                                                                                                                      • pornask
                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                        • 6518
                                                                                                                                        #234
                                                                                                                                        I secured myself a sig spot on page 1, but page 5 doesn't look too bad either

                                                                                                                                        on second though, wanted to pass kudos to Shap for coming straight out with it, no messing around. I think what he does is stupid and would never promote Twisties, but no beating around the bush on his part even with a sensitive issue like this one is admirable

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                                                                                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 30307
                                                                                                                                            #235
                                                                                                                                            My honest professional advice to Shap...
                                                                                                                                            And I usually charge for this...

                                                                                                                                            Are you ready?

















                                                                                                                                            YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER EVEN MADE THIS THREAD.

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                                                                                                                                              • TheDoc
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                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 13827
                                                                                                                                                #236
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                                                My honest professional advice to Shap...
                                                                                                                                                And I usually charge for this...

                                                                                                                                                Are you ready?

                                                                                                                                                YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER EVEN MADE THIS THREAD.

                                                                                                                                                Why? No business will be lost from this thread. If anything the stats/numbers that have been posted will get him more Webmasters.

                                                                                                                                                "Webmasters" don't care about Tubes.
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                                                                                                                                                  • notoldschool
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                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                                    • 5687
                                                                                                                                                    #237
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                                                    My honest professional advice to Shap...
                                                                                                                                                    And I usually charge for this...

                                                                                                                                                    Are you ready?

















                                                                                                                                                    YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER EVEN MADE THIS THREAD.
                                                                                                                                                    I agree with you for once. he really comes off like a fucking dumb ass.
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                                                                                                                                                      • Wizzo
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                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2000
                                                                                                                                                        • 15224
                                                                                                                                                        #238
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by TampaToker
                                                                                                                                                        There is nothing wrong what they are doing with there content its there they can do as they see fit. Now that issue is between them and there affiliates . Now on the other hand there shit may be regulated. But a surfer is bound to come across twistys stuff thru other peoples content posted on the site which is stolen. So in sense twisys is making profit off of stolen content.

                                                                                                                                                        You could make the same argument about Google, but don't see any of you blocking Google from index your sites...
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                                                                                                                                                          • Gerco
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                                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                            • 2052
                                                                                                                                                            #239
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                            Actions like this do not allow red tube to continue on, they would continue on either way. That's the point.

                                                                                                                                                            And since you haven't mailed and own your own content, then you would fit into that 1% spot. You still can't complain what others choose to do with something they own.

                                                                                                                                                            For "years" I have put my content on newsgroups and forums, does that mean I support theft? After all they have stolen content/products? If I screw with password trade traffic, convert my leaks into sales - traffic produced from password sites, irc, groups, ect? Do I continue to support GFY when its users post copyrighted pictures or like in the buy sell forum, people selling other companies scripts?

                                                                                                                                                            You starting to see the pattern?
                                                                                                                                                            No, I could care less what someone does with his or her own content. But to come here and act like they are doing some great thing by getting a site like redtube to "filter" the page that their content is on, while at the same time allowing them to continue to steal and fuck everyone else is another thing. I guess it's a matter of principles. I've had affiliates try the group sites etc... and The ones that did it correctly, by creating a dedicated group etc, I was fine with. But if I see something being miss used I DO report it and warn the affiliate. If it happens a second time... that affiliate is gone.

                                                                                                                                                            I don't agree with the GFY reference. Your basically trying to say that the people are here because they KNOW that the content/script etc are illegal and or free. I doubt thats the case. (Which in this example, is how the Tube sites run and get traffic)

                                                                                                                                                            I'm not out to try and "police" the net. There is no way I could. But I do try to maintain my principles. Albeit it getting harder and harder these days.

                                                                                                                                                            So, by agreeing with this action, I guess it's ok to fuck over everyone else. Nice to see it has finally come to that.
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                                                                                                                                                              • Wizzo
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                                                                                                                                                                #240
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                                                                                                No, I could care less what someone does with his or her own content. But to come here and act like they are doing some great thing by getting a site like redtube to "filter" the page that their content is on, while at the same time allowing them to continue to steal and fuck everyone else is another thing. I guess it's a matter of principles. I've had affiliates try the group sites etc... and The ones that did it correctly, by creating a dedicated group etc, I was fine with. But if I see something being miss used I DO report it and warn the affiliate. If it happens a second time... that affiliate is gone.

                                                                                                                                                                I don't agree with the GFY reference. Your basically trying to say that the people are here because they KNOW that the content/script etc are illegal and or free. I doubt thats the case. (Which in this example, is how the Tube sites run and get traffic)

                                                                                                                                                                I'm not out to try and "police" the net. There is no way I could. But I do try to maintain my principles. Albeit it getting harder and harder these days.

                                                                                                                                                                So, by agreeing with this action, I guess it's ok to fuck over everyone else. Nice to see it has finally come to that.
                                                                                                                                                                Yet, you allow Google to index your site and send you traffic when it has tons of stolen content on it...
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Sausage
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 3012
                                                                                                                                                                    #241
                                                                                                                                                                    Good thread and valid points raised in support of legit tubes.

                                                                                                                                                                    Sure stolen content is a problem much as it was a problem with tgps and mgps and remains to be, but legit tube sites that make efforts to block stolen content are a good thing. Adult seems hell bent on giving more content away from free and it has been getting worse since 96, so its not surprising tubes sprang up as the next stage of giving more away for free to get your traffic.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 13827
                                                                                                                                                                        #242
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                                                                                                        No, I could care less what someone does with his or her own content. But to come here and act like they are doing some great thing by getting a site like redtube to "filter" the page that their content is on, while at the same time allowing them to continue to steal and fuck everyone else is another thing. I guess it's a matter of principles. I've had affiliates try the group sites etc... and The ones that did it correctly, by creating a dedicated group etc, I was fine with. But if I see something being miss used I DO report it and warn the affiliate. If it happens a second time... that affiliate is gone.

                                                                                                                                                                        I don't agree with the GFY reference. Your basically trying to say that the people are here because they KNOW that the content/script etc are illegal and or free. I doubt thats the case. (Which in this example, is how the Tube sites run and get traffic)

                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not out to try and "police" the net. There is no way I could. But I do try to maintain my principles. Albeit it getting harder and harder these days.

                                                                                                                                                                        So, by agreeing with this action, I guess it's ok to fuck over everyone else. Nice to see it has finally come to that.

                                                                                                                                                                        Well, it isn't like the surfer knows Tube sites have stolen content. Just like they don't know which galleries on TGP/MPG sites use stolen content.

                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, TGPs and MGP's link to galleries that have stolen content, all of them. TGP's know this, they aren't stupid, hell. But that's different I guess??? Or like Wizzo has said, you allow Google to send you traffic, yet they are packed with stolen content.

                                                                                                                                                                        What Shap is doing is exactly what everyone is already doing. He is just doing it something new that you people don't like, yet.
                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by TheDoc; 02-14-2008, 12:01 PM.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                            • 30307
                                                                                                                                                                            #243
                                                                                                                                                                            "But to come here and act like they are doing some great thing by getting a site like redtube to "filter" the page that their content is on, while at the same time allowing them to continue to steal and fuck everyone else is another thing."

                                                                                                                                                                            So it would be better for Twisty's to be a super hero and regulate tube sites for everyone else? How is that supposed to be his business?

                                                                                                                                                                            From another side of this argument one can say other content providers are not taking part in enforcing there own content. Tube sites would have to follow rules if like I said many months ago took active measures on an individualised effort.

                                                                                                                                                                            Why you people expect others to wipe your own asses all the time I do not know...

                                                                                                                                                                            Honestly again Shap should have never made this thread unless he maybe just wants to see how many other tube sites will contact him that are willing to follow the rules step forward and become legit affilaites for promoting his sites.

                                                                                                                                                                            Just hope its worth it to em...
                                                                                                                                                                            Probably is most of you guys aint got fuck all for traffic anyways.
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                                                                                                                                                                              • BradM
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                • 3397
                                                                                                                                                                                #244
                                                                                                                                                                                I hate it when AlienQ has good points. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 30307
                                                                                                                                                                                    #245
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by BradM
                                                                                                                                                                                    I hate it when AlienQ has good points. ;)
                                                                                                                                                                                    These are indeed pretty sad times when I am right...

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Gerco
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 2052
                                                                                                                                                                                        #246
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                                                                                                                                        Yet, you allow Google to index your site and send you traffic when it has tons of stolen content on it...
                                                                                                                                                                                        Fine. You know what, I'm really getting to the point that I just don't care anymore. It truly is becoming a no win, everyones a crook.

                                                                                                                                                                                        You know, I build Extremehole, by myself in 1999. No experience, no help. hell, i didn't even know how to create an html page. I've tried to run it in a manner I thought was right. I didn't have to scam, mail, cheat. I didn't have to fuck over people. Everyone I have worked with over the years I still respect and I believe that the same would hold true in reverse. Nobody comes to my defense when there is a situation Just because I'm a BRO and they need to get their ass kissing in for the day... no.. people come in to my defense because they like me, and know I'm right. (there are examples of that all ready on GFY where a BRO company used my content to promote their affiliate program) and then tried to claim it was theirs... even though I was the one IN the fucking video with my wife... ya, they came out looking like idiots. But the Bro team jumped right in to their defense as usual. While at the same time people I actually know and have worked with jumped in for mine.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Point is, I have always thought you could run an upstanding adult business. Just like you can run any business. Sure, there are always temptations, "easy" money trying to persuade you otherwise, but I have tried to avoid them to the best of my ability. Has this been a factor in my site remaining a smaller site... probably. I sleep fine with it. I can proudly point to it at anytime and feel good about what I have been able to achieve with it. And can say I have never knowingly fucked over, or helped someone fuck over somebody else in the process.

                                                                                                                                                                                        All the little google comments in an effort to try to make this look any better are not going to change the facts as I see them.
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • the real magoo
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 1637
                                                                                                                                                                                            #247
                                                                                                                                                                                            Redtube : 4555 videos

                                                                                                                                                                                            Puretna.com : Torrents : 47,098
                                                                                                                                                                                            empornium.us : Torrents : 42,838
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mutt
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 34431
                                                                                                                                                                                                #248
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by the real magoo
                                                                                                                                                                                                Redtube : 4555 videos

                                                                                                                                                                                                Puretna.com : Torrents : 47,098
                                                                                                                                                                                                empornium.us : Torrents : 42,838
                                                                                                                                                                                                torrents ain't a big deal - they are still too technical for the typical surfer who joins paysites. the guys who download torrents are the same guys who have drives filled with warez, the type who never buys anything and is proud of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                tube sites are where the traffic's going - for a reason - it's an all you can eat buffet of porn movies and the biggest moron on the planet can click a 'Play' button.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Maz
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 135
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #249
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Zorgman
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I just hope that the next gathering you go to, you don't get punched out like the xtube guy got in Vegas.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have worked for Shap for 5 years and I think this is funny as hell. I am 6' 3" and I would not fuck with him. He is built like a brick shit house and used to play Junior hockey. If you want to go after Shap, you better bring a bat. If I am there you better bring two bats.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Klen
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 32234
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #250
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                                                                        torrents ain't a big deal - they are still too technical for the typical surfer who joins paysites. the guys who download torrents are the same guys who have drives filled with warez, the type who never buys anything and is proud of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        tube sites are where the traffic's going - for a reason - it's an all you can eat buffet of porn movies and the biggest moron on the planet can click a 'Play' button.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Damn those morons

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