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Old 05-20-2013, 10:03 AM  
Arnox
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Originally Posted by Scott McD View Post
I can't do anything about how they kill animals for food here. Even if I don't eat any meat. I suppose they are killed for food though at the very least.

It does not make me a hypocrite at all if I get pissed off when I see an act of animal cruelty...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collect...action_problem

Your attitude is exactly the logic used by slave owners. "If I stop having slaves, it isn't going to stop it overall, so why bother?". Same logic could be applied to pedophiles, rapists, murderers, etc.. One person isn't going to affect overall numbers, so what's the point, right?

Your change to abstaining from eating meat from poor sources will have an economic effect on any company that supplies meat to you. You also add to a long list of growing individuals that are actively abstaining from a terrible activity.

If you want to hold that you're not going to fix the problem, that's fine. But tell me why you vote in elections if one person is unlikely to make any difference? If you can answer that question sufficiently, I'll entertain the idea that while you want to stop eating meat, you see no purpose to it as it won't result in any less animals being killed.


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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 View Post
Whereas presumably you're some kind of superhero, 'proactively' trying to stop animal abuse, child abuse, rape, murder, torture and every other nasty thing under the sun? Please, explain the steps you are taking to 'proactively' stop those bad things occurring, or are you just not against those things?
My proactive step is that which, if undertaken by everyone, would result in these things being nonexistent. I think it's fair to ask of every person to act as they would like the entire population to act. I don't eat meat, I don't eat animal products, I don't buy animal products. I buy cotton clothes, I eat fruits and vegetables, I have soy derivatives for dairy. If everyone undertook the diet and way of life that I did, videos like this wouldn't exist. I think it's fair to say that so long as I act in my own way to reduce my impact on the pain and suffering of others, I've done a good thing. That's my proactive step.

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You're right that nobody gives a shit about how the food arrives on their plate, whether that's to do with how the animal was treated or whether it's all the chemicals, additives and mutations they put in the food.
Do you know what a chemical is? I'll give you a hint: water is a chemical, diamonds are chemicals. Gold is a chemical; the word means nothing and is generally pushed by people who don't understand the science behind additives and food preservation. It's a real buzzword that literally means nothing.

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 View Post
But what's your point? Because nobody thinks of the abuse involved in one thing (food production), mainly because it's hidden, they have no right to complain or be upset about abuse elsewhere (circuses)? Doesn't make sense.
My point is that it's hypocritical to be against abuse at a circus but not against abuse from animal farming.

I infer that the logic employed by people in this thread is that they dislike animals being tortured and hurt regardless of their situation re: circus animals or not. It is, in and of itself, something that they all wish would not exist. All I'm saying is that it's rather poor form and illogical (read: deductively incompatible) to be against this video while simultaneously undergoing steps in your everyday life that results in the suffering on animals.

I'm glad that people care about animals, because it's a very serious topic that is often overlooked by people who just love the taste of eggs and baron. But I wish more people would understand that they partake in the very activity they're against every day of the week. Being outraged at a video like this does absolutely nothing to help the situation of animal suffering; abstaining from a diet that contains animal and animal products from poor sources does. Therefore, I would argue that it is logically void and pointless to be sad over a video of animal abuse when you go ahead and abuse animals yourself.

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