Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Exactly. You also choose your cravings. The issue to me is quite simple... i ask "are we better off with people eating and living healthy, or not". The answer is clear, so making any other argument, enabling bad behaviors, validating absurd/self destructive excuses and so on is part of the problem, not the solution.


Here is a funny side note about human behavior that applies to this discussion.

People tend to look at things largely in terms of cause and effect. We do this because we perceive this connection to exist - even when it doesn't exist or when its 100% irrational. A happened. As a result, you responded with rage (B), therefore, A caused B. In other words, we'll say "this ipad is pissing me off" - where its 100% irrational to give an inanimate object the power to affect your moods or drive you to rage. It's sadly even built into our language to reinforce these emotionally unhealthy and unsound ideas.

People tend to either place themselves either at cause, or at effect. In other words, YOU most likely accept 100% responsibility for your strength and size gains - you place yourself at cause.You know when you're not resting enough. You know when you're not getting enough fluids. You analyze and tweak your diet, you analyze and tweak your workouts etc. You understand that strength and size gains are not things that "happen to you" but rather things you have 100% control over to either make happen or not happen.

People also place themselves at effect. Everything has an excuse. Everything has something to blame. Everything is something happening to them.

Think about this carefully when you read this forum and observe peoples behaviors because this is a super interesting thing to observe...

People that place themselves at effect, accept little to no responsibility for their own actions and decisions and the resulting outcomes.. It's happening to them. It's not their fault. They believe they need to change external things to affect themselves as they've externalized the cause. BUT... that's not what they focus on.

What they tend to focus on is this....

they make themselves responsible for the outcomes of others who also place themselves at effect. This is part of the process of validating their own views, beliefs, perceptions etc. They have an interesting way of constantly championing those who place themselves at effect by insisting we change the world around them.

Notice its the same characters blaming anything and everything on something else. Its always a conspiracy against them. The cause is always something else. It's always external. It's always the other thing. It has to be, otherwise, what is the true answer? Accept personal accountability? That's typically not a well received message for someone who's shaped their lives and identity around the opposite.