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Majority of good programmers have no idea how to market ideas or projects, hell, majority of good programmers do not even generate money making ideas. They are just good or great at making ideas live.
So do not post it like all great programmers have entrepreneurship gene into them because they do not.
Those are exceptions.Comment
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So are you saying entrepreneurship gene is what makes a programmer top level?
I say that there are simply top level programmers (who can implement any idea, you tell it and they program it) and there are top level programmers who also generate their own ideas.
If programmer does not generate ideas it does not make them NOT top level. Quality of programmer is all about how good he can turn ideas into code, not if he can generate his own ideas.Comment
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No, I'm just saying 99% of top level programmers are either hired or are working on their own shit. They are certainly not looking for a job here. And making way more then 100k a year. You guys act like 100k a year is a ton of cash. Its called breaking even for a family of 4Last edited by adulttraffic; 05-13-2013, 03:56 PM.Respect My Authoritah!Comment
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I guess I'm thinking there's a huge discrepancy in what consitutes a "senior" or "top level" programmer.Comment
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there is a huge difference between what is considered "top level" in this industry, and what is "top level" in general...
"top level" in this industry is something along the lines of: be able to work with some apis, setup a cms, etc
"top level" in general is more like: design and implement a face recognition algorithm to eliminate fake profiles on a dating site
the 2 are not even in the same ballpark of skill required...
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Good luck in your search!
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Lol at "top programmers doing their own".You can be best programmer on world,or have a best idea on world,but it's still useless if you dont have sufficient sales skills which would go along with your technical skills.Comment
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Tons of idiots in here destroying a valid search for good people.
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im with OY, sad to see a business thread get derailed by argumentation.
where Justin is trying to hire someone to work, is an incredibly cheap place to live, safe and away from the big city, $100k goes a LONG ways. It is considered both one of the best places to retire in America and one of the best places to recreate. if you like the outdoors you would love it here. Yahoo, Bing, Blackrock, VMWare, Google, Microsoft, and a few others have data centers here also. Pay is not only related to skill but location, some would be willing to take a massive pay cut to get reliable work in a place like this, where $4k a month rent gets you the nicest house on the hill. $600k gets a 5br/4ba house on the river with a dock and a pool. no violent crime, nice weather, the largest ski resort in Washington is 15 minutes out of town, and very good health care, are nice to have as well.
as for the ongoing arguments... the best programmers i know are not very good at marketing themselves or their ideas. on the flip side they would not be here arguing... they would apply, wait to hear back and move on, or just simply move on if the offer didn't suit them.
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GFY never ceases to amaze me.
A company is looking for a programmer and willing to put up the cash for it and all you guys can do is argue about if good programmers are looking for jobs on GFY.
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You bring up good points, but it is in the middle of nowhere.im with OY, sad to see a business thread get derailed by argumentation.
where Justin is trying to hire someone to work, is an incredibly cheap place to live, safe and away from the big city, $100k goes a LONG ways. It is considered both one of the best places to retire in America and one of the best places to recreate. if you like the outdoors you would love it here. Yahoo, Bing, Blackrock, VMWare, Google, Microsoft, and a few others have data centers here also. Pay is not only related to skill but location, some would be willing to take a massive pay cut to get reliable work in a place like this, where $4k a month rent gets you the nicest house on the hill. $600k gets a 5br/4ba house on the river with a dock and a pool. no violent crime, nice weather, the largest ski resort in Washington is 15 minutes out of town, and very good health care, are nice to have as well.
as for the ongoing arguments... the best programmers i know are not very good at marketing themselves or their ideas. on the flip side they would not be here arguing... they would apply, wait to hear back and move on, or just simply move on if the offer didn't suit them.
Pay seems decent for the area. But who wants to live there? I bet very few. Now if he said relocate to Miami Florida, I bet they'd have more interested people. But 100k might not be enough in Miami.Comment
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My girl is willing to relocate us, but $100k and moving expenses won't cut it.
She is more than qualified, and does check GFY for work from time to time.
So far, no one has been able to afford her.
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May as well bump this, I'm excited to see how many other GFY programmers won't get out of bed for $300k/yr, because they're all busy starting their own successful businesses
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Just for the record,if immigration to usa would be easy and me being a top programmer i would be all over it
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