The Truth Behind Porn Billy, or How My Good Friend Screwed Me

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  • Lilit
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2007
    • 1645

    #51
    Rabbit, I'm sorry for that.
    Actually that's a bad thing about this industry and it happens everywhere. In comparison with other types of businesses it's relatively easy to utilize the stolen information especially when it's the main key to success. It's sad. But Rabbit is Rabbit and will stay on top! Just do your business, you have your head and your new ideas that are no longer available to Marc
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    • RP Fade
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2003
      • 3343

      #52
      Wow..didnt know this. I spoken to Jorj a few times on ICQ and he seems like a good guy. This is all news to me..
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      • Lilit
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2007
        • 1645

        #53
        sorry, posted twice
        Last edited by Lilit; 02-08-2008, 02:51 PM.
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        • bashbug
          Confirmed User
          • Oct 2005
          • 929

          #54
          pornbilly.com sucks, much better review sites out there

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          • tony299
            lurker
            • Aug 2002
            • 57021

            #55
            Stolen info or was it he learned who converts and who doesnt?

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            • VeriSexy
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              • Apr 2002
              • 25463

              #56
              Ouch. Sorry to hear
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              • rabbit
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2003
                • 2124

                #57
                Originally posted by tony404
                Could you have given him a better deal that wouldn't of motivated him to go on his own? Learning the business and then deciding to go on your own I dont consider that stealing. Noncompete's really dont stick, you really cant stop someone from earning a living.
                Marc was going to be made a partner after 3 years. Until then he would have been given profit sharing. That's how much I valued and trusted him. I'm not sure what more I could have offered him.

                During the time that he was working for me, a war broke out in Lebanon. As the bombs were dropping on Beirut, Marc spent half his working time on the phone, worrying about his family. I didn't mind. Hey, that's what friends are for. Once the war finished, he announced he's leaving to join them.

                It's funny cause when I showed this thread to a big site owner where we advertise, he forwarded me an email he got from Marc, where he was asking him to give up Rabbits Reviews ad spots on his site to PornBilly. He naturally refused, we've been advertising there for a lot longer than these thieves and so-called 'friend' who doesn't even have the balls to stand up for his actions.

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                • Enemator
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 1252

                  #58
                  Originally posted by L-Pink
                  never trust foreigners
                  Moron. This means I shouldn't trust you


                  hint: we are ALL foreigners to somebody else. Especialy in this bizz.
                  I live in your nightmares. I make you dream you're getting bumfucked by a razor blade only to wake up and find I gave your wife an enema and tube-fed you her shit.

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                  • sltr
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 3191

                    #59
                    why not pursue this with full legal rigor then?

                    infringement is a serious business offense and great publicity when you completely destroy the infringing party. mainstream companies run complete ad campaigns when shit like this happens.

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                    • Walrus
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2005
                      • 2150

                      #60
                      Never heard of PornBilly.com until this thread. I have obviously heard of rabbitsreviews. They seem to pop up in 1 out of 3 adult keywords I search for in google! I don't think I've seen an adult site come up so frequently as rabbitsreviews in SE results.

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                      • rabbit
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 2124

                        #61
                        Originally posted by cem
                        Like my father always said "Don't even trust your own father".
                        .
                        you can only grow a business so far without having ANYONE to trust. you have to take some risks, but you're right this whole episode made me a lot more paranoid

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                        • kmanrox
                          aka K-Man
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 29295

                          #62
                          life is cheap in lebanon, i'd have him whacked... seriously.
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                          • cherrylula
                            lol
                            • Jan 2002
                            • 15969

                            #63
                            I quit reading when I got to
                            In 2006 I hired Marc, one of my good friends and school buddies as my operations manager
                            Never hire school buddies.

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                            • StuBradley
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 2625

                              #64
                              I stopped reading your post when I got to this sentence:

                              Originally posted by rabbit
                              In 2006 I hired Marc, one of my good friends and school buddies...
                              You should have known better.

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                              • StuBradley
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 2625

                                #65
                                LMAO...I swear I didn't see cherrylula's post before I wrote mine.


                                51-566-514

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                                • tony299
                                  lurker
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 57021

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by rabbit
                                  Marc was going to be made a partner after 3 years. Until then he would have been given profit sharing. That's how much I valued and trusted him. I'm not sure what more I could have offered him.

                                  During the time that he was working for me, a war broke out in Lebanon. As the bombs were dropping on Beirut, Marc spent half his working time on the phone, worrying about his family. I didn't mind. Hey, that's what friends are for. Once the war finished, he announced he's leaving to join them.

                                  It's funny cause when I showed this thread to a big site owner where we advertise, he forwarded me an email he got from Marc, where he was asking him to give up Rabbits Reviews ad spots on his site to PornBilly. He naturally refused, we've been advertising there for a lot longer than these thieves and so-called 'friend' who doesn't even have the balls to stand up for his actions.
                                  then if thats the case it sucks.

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                                  • C_U_Next_Tuesday
                                    WW4L
                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 10581

                                    #67
                                    Sorry to hear that Mantas. Sounds like this Marc character need a swift baseball bat to his asshole.. what a fucking copy cunt

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                                    • Jorj
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Apr 2007
                                      • 242

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by pornbilly
                                      The email below the facts was sent to Mantas a couple of hours before he posted this thread. Obviously it had no impact on him since he still seems determined to take it out personally on Marc, as well as professionally discrediting me (Nic, aka Tiger) , Jorj, and most importantly Pornbilly.

                                      The facts:

                                      1- Pornbilly is in no way copied from any other site, it has its own copyrighted content and team.
                                      2- Marc did not breach any non-compete, non-solicitation and/or non disclosure agreement. The contract clearly states it and I challenge Mantas to prove otherwise. We have proof of the contract and willing to come forward with it if necessary.
                                      3- Marc is not hiding behind his "cousins". Jorj and me are friends of Marc, we take decisions as a team, and we will be introducing ourselves at upcoming shows.
                                      4- Marc did not use any of Mantas' inside information in any manner to build Pornbilly, all of us have been involved in the industry since January 2003 starting with yahoo adult groups and Pornodose.com, which was originally a review site way before Mantas launched rabbitsreviews.
                                      5- It would have been impossible for Mantas to sue since Marc did not breach any contract agreement. Again, I challenge Mantas to prove otherwise.
                                      6- Marc was forced (for personal reasons) to leave Montreal after working 2 months for Mantas and I, after making sure there was no breach of agreement, convinced Marc to join me and Jorj on board the pornbilly project.
                                      7- To prove his honesty and friendship, Marc came forward to Mantas discussing his involvement in Pornbilly.
                                      8- Pornbilly.com was purchased by myself (along with many other domain names) without Marc's knowledge and the fact that it was purchased while Marc was still working with Mantas was purely coincidental.

                                      Since Mantas clearly does not want to believe any of the facts above, I can only conclude that he is using his personal grudge against Marc in unfair and unethical business practices and I hope that this will stop as soon as possible for both our sakes.

                                      Email:
                                      ____________

                                      Hello Mantas,

                                      This message has been sitting in my draft since july of 2007. I thought you would cool down to a "business as usual" state and I wouldn't have to send it. Apparently not. After reading your latest comments on GFY, I've decided to go ahead and send it your way today.

                                      So here it is:

                                      I am Marc?s partner and co-founder of PornBilly. I?m writing this mail because I?ve been informed by many webmasters that you are spreading the negative word concerning Marc and our site. Many sources have told us that you?ve been saying that Marc worked for you, learned everything and stole your inside information to open PornBilly. With that story you mean to discourage both webmasters and sponsors from dealing with us. I decided to intervene hoping that I could clear a few things out and maybe put things on the good track between us as companies and especially between you and Marc as old friends.

                                      The matter of the fact is that I started this project long before Marc started working with you and when Marc had to leave Montreal, he was very reluctant to come on board as he did not want you to think that he betrayed your trust. It took me a lot of convincing to get him to accept, and even then, he still insisted that he should tell you about it because your friendship matters to him and he didn?t want you to hear it from someone else. He was very relieved when he told you and thought that you took it well. But apparently he was wrong. By reacting this way, you?re leading us to believe that you?re taking this matter very personally and we?re sorry you feel this way, but we?re still hoping that you?d understand that we (especially Marc) have nothing personal against you.

                                      On a business level, you have the right to consider us as competitors (even though we think that joining forces would be much more beneficial to both of us). However, you have to rethink the story you?re using against us in the industry because it lacks truthfulness. I want to remind you that we started in this business a long time ago (since the yahoo groups) and we went on to launch PornoDose before you started RabbitsReviews. So we pretty well know the tricks and trades of the industry and we don?t need to learn it from you. In this perspective, let me assure you that Marc had and still has no intentions of stealing or using any information he got at your company. There?s no valuable information that we could use in the first place. The only valuable thing is the knowledge Marc put in your company during the 2 months he was there. So on a professional level, we?re still playing fair and we expect you to play fair too.

                                      Now that you know all the facts, I truly hope that things will pick up between us and that one day you?ll see the potential of us working together, not against each others.

                                      Regards,
                                      Nic
                                      __________

                                      Nic (aka Tiger) - ICQ 472-798-329
                                      Again, Mantas is making false accusations without providing any proof whatsoever. Again, Marc did NOT breach the terms of his contract. This is why mantas cannot press charges and is whining about it publicly like a little girl.

                                      Well Boo-Fucking-Hoo! Either provide some proof or just cut the lies and take your personal drama elsewhere.

                                      Did I mention the proof thing??

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                                      • Walrus
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • May 2005
                                        • 2150

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by StuBradley
                                        LMAO...I swear I didn't see cherrylula's post before I wrote mine.

                                        LOL ! Now that was funny! Man, I thought I was having double vision when I read both of these posts! I was checking for responses after mine and then I saw that. That's how it is though? In college your mates aren't to be trusted? I never went to college except for a few classes. So it is good to know... in case I go back.

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                                        • collegeboobies
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jul 2004
                                          • 3644

                                          #70
                                          FYI non compete agreements generally will be void if the person can convince the court that they had no other way to earn a living. especially since they were just a worker

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                                          • Trax
                                            [----------------------]
                                            • Aug 2001
                                            • 14486

                                            #71
                                            mantas i think this thread was way overdue...

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                                            • FreeHugeMovies
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Dec 2001
                                              • 14141

                                              #72
                                              Mantas gives me WoooooooD

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                                              • Tom_PM
                                                Porn Meister
                                                • Feb 2005
                                                • 16443

                                                #73
                                                My last mainstream job had a clause stating that for 3 YEARS after either I, or they, terminated my employment, any inventions or capitalized ideas I had within that same industry was their property.
                                                43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                • nation-x
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                  • 5370

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by Jorj
                                                  Again, Mantas is making false accusations without providing any proof whatsoever. Again, Marc did NOT breach the terms of his contract. This is why mantas cannot press charges and is whining about it publicly like a little girl.

                                                  Well Boo-Fucking-Hoo! Either provide some proof or just cut the lies and take your personal drama elsewhere.

                                                  Did I mention the proof thing??
                                                  until I read this I thought maybe it was a misunderstanding... but Mantis didn't call anyone names... and I have met him. He doesn't strike me as a person who is not honest... in fact I know him to be very fair with his competitors even. I have the impression that you have shown the true side of the situation here... crooks and scam artists resort to this language and attitude.

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                                                  • papill0n
                                                    Unregistered Abuser
                                                    • Oct 2007
                                                    • 15547

                                                    #75
                                                    jack move man, jack move

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                                                    • Markul
                                                      Likes Pie
                                                      • Dec 2007
                                                      • 12407

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                      Seriously never let anyone see ALL the stuff.

                                                      Guy sees the workflow ? Don't let him get even near financials. Gal knows all the sponsors ? She's banned from the site designing.

                                                      Cut your business into a few pieces, and hold the keys. Otherwise, you're really askin for it. What you did for this guy people do for their sons for the love of Christ.

                                                      There's some solid advise there, adult industry or mainstream!
                                                      But.... I pulled out...

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                                                      • pornbilly
                                                        Registered User
                                                        • Dec 2006
                                                        • 87

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by collegeboobies
                                                        FYI non compete agreements generally will be void if the person can convince the court that they had no other way to earn a living. especially since they were just a worker
                                                        That is not the case here. Marc left before the end of his probatory period. The non-compete would have taken effect after the probatory period. This wouldn't get even close to court.

                                                        Mantas would not acknowledge the fact that there's a whole team behind Porn Billy. He's trying to discredit us by portraying the company as the work of one person who stole inside information from him and breached the non-compete agreement. This is a flat out lie. This is not how it happened. No matter how much we try to explain otherwise, he's still determined to crush a fair and new competition before it grows into a full fledged threat to his business. He's using all his power against us in unethical business practices.

                                                        You can't spread lies about a company just because you "feel" your friend betrayed your trust. There are other people involved here and we're all trying to run our business and make a living. Plus, it's sometimes OK to let your "friend" prosper too especially when it's not at your personal expense.

                                                        Pornbilly is 1.5 years old and I can assure you that Rabbit is way ahead of us. The market surely can handle 1 more review site. But not in his state of mind; he's on a destructive mission fueled by a personal grudge and based on untruthful, unproven accusations.

                                                        Marc did not breach the terms of his contract, he did not steal any inside information and he was considerate enough to tell mantas about his involvement in Pornbilly. To no avail.

                                                        Well bash away if you like to, but if you've dealt with us during the past year, you'd know how we conduct ourselves.

                                                        Tiger

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