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When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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actually you first supplied them with chemical weapons against iran...then you actually gave him the green light to invade kuwait...then you invaded him back...then you taunted him by moving your war machine close to his land...
now would the USA put up with saddams warships and planes doing "maneuvers" close to its shores? of course not...what makes the USA think anybody else will tolerate it? ah yes the double standard...its ok when we do it but when others do it we get mad...
you made him do an "avghanistan" and then turned your back on your ally...he was your best boy back then...
its not like you claim that he had nothing better to do one day and just shot one of your peace planes with flowers and medication....
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White phosphorous is made from chemicals...and has been used in every major conflict the U.S. has engaged in since and including the Second World War...but is not classified as a chemical WMD.
It is not known by the Medical world that White Phosphorous causes birth defects.
Satisfied...sport.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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not in the slightest old man
for depleted uranium, you have that in almost all your ammunition, something that was used all over iraq
however, the birth defects issue?
seem to be concentrated solely in Basura and Fallujah, the two cities you guys STOMPED with white phosphorus.
coincidence? Must be. You CDC seems to think there is 'no research at all' over what this does to children
however US history shows you have no problems testing out your new toys on children; so long as they're poor, and preferably black.Comment
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look, i'm quoting your picture because it's important, and tragic. so important that it warrants its own thread. something for you to consider.
something else to consider is this thread, i think it too is important.
just like you posted that picture as shock value to "wake the fuck up" this thread is the same.
wake the fuck up.
instead of using 9/11 or anti whatever to shock, i used the cover-up of the wikileaks. this isn't an endorsement of bush, war, iraq 1 or 2 or the current government.
it's the opposite. i hope you get that. i really do.Comment
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Speaking of birth defects caused by the USA and its war machine, can you believe they are STILL having birth defects in Vietnam because of all the Agent Orange or whatever we used there? After all this time they are still having fucked up babies because of it.
But no one wants to talk about that, just like they don't want to talk about the after effects of Iraq.
It's all sickening. If the reality of war was on TV every night for an hour or two, no one would support any wars. But they don't even show the American caskets coming off the planes anymore. Support war and the deaths of "enemy combatants" and "insurgents" but don't have the stomach to see the results of it. Pathetic. People should be at the very least forced to look at all the dead American boys they bring home. Show photos of their hideously maimed bodies on the news every night along with images of all the women and children the US has killed abroad.Comment
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You want to document that picture?
All I see is is a very young child severely defected without any accompanying documentation of where, how, or why.
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It doesn't say any of that was happening in Iraq under Saddam at least not what you quoted. It was well known that Iran was supporting the insurgents after we invaded, but I seriously doubt Iran was helping Saddam.
All you have to do is look at some of the weapons the insurgents were using to know they came from Iran. Everyone knows Iran was helping after the invasion, they were doing the same thing we did to the Soviets when they were in Afghanistan.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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Read the published report.
White Phosphorous is never mentioned.
It's a study of 56 Fallujah families a very small sample I find varied estimates of Fallujah's population to be 190K to 300K people -- with an infant mortality rate 34.59/1000 live births http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mortality_rate as a comparison 4 to 7/ 1000 in most developed countries.This compares to an infant mortality rate 48.91 for Iraq in 1980-1985
"two well-known neurotoxic metals, Pb and Hg." How much solder with lead is used in the plumbing in the Fallujah area? How much lead based paint? No shit Sherlock!
The is no control group of parents with normally born children in Fallujah for comparison.
Only Iran, Palestine, and Italy are used for comparison -- Why is that and what relevance is it -- absolutely none. Who funded the research?
Most unscientific report I have ever seen published:Bull Environ Contam Toxicol (2012) 89:937–944
http://link.springer.com/content/pdf...012-0817-2.pdf
P. 1 PDF
Our data suggested that birth defects in the Iraqi cities of Al Basrah (in the south of Iraq) and Fallujah (in central Iraq) are mainly folate dependent.
This knowledge offers possible treatment options and remediation plans for at-risk Iraqi populations.
**Like Folic acid in a vitamin supplement? **Of course all of the birth mothers were tested for foliate levels in their blood -- No. Why not?
I doubt that the wartime diet in Iraq was that good -- their is a lot of room for inquiry here.
P. 4 PDF
Bull Environ Contam Toxicol (2012) 89:937–944
The case study of 56 Fallujah families and the metal analysis of hair samples from this population indicated public contamination with two well-known neurotoxic metals, Pb and Hg. Hair metal data from Fallujah showed Pb to be five times higher in the hair samples of children with birth defects (n = 44; mean ± SD 56,434 ± 217,705 l g/ kg) than in the hair of normal children (n = 11; 11,277 ± 27,781 l g/kg). Mercury was six times higher (n = 44; 8,282 ± 25,844 l g/kg Vs n = 11; 1,414 ± 3,853 l g/kg) (Fig. 3 ). Fallujah mothers who participated in this study did not take any medication and described their diet as ‘‘good’’ during pregnancy. Only one couple was first cousins. **{one of 56? Nice -- how many were second cousins ...}
Mercury and Pb, two toxic metals readily used in the manufacture of present-day bullets and other ammunition, were 6 and 5 times higher in hair samples from Fallujah children with birth defects compared to Fallujah children who appeared normal (Fig. 3 ). Uranium, Hg and Pb, ( l g/kg, mean ± SD) in the hair samples of parents from Italy, Iran, and Fallujah (Iraq), are shown in Fig. 4 . Though statistically not significant, the hair of parents of children with birth defects had more uranium, Pb and Hg than the hair of parents of normal children. <= so why even mention it?
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Bull Environ Contam Toxicol (2012) 89:943
Present knowledge on the effects of prenatal exposure to metals, combined with our results, suggests that the bombardment of Al Basrah and Fallujah may have exacerbated
M. Al-Sabbak Á S. Sadik Ali
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Al Basrah Maternity
Hospital, Al Basrah Medical School, P.O. Box 1633,
Basrah, Iraq
Department of Prosthodontics, School of Dentistry, Isfahan
University of Medical Sciences, Isfahan, Iran
S. Dastgiri
National Public Health Management Center, School of
Medicine, Tabriz University of Medical Sciences, Tabriz, Iran
M. Savabieasfahani (&)
School of Public Health, University of Michigan, 1415
Washington Heights, EHS Room Number M6016, Ann Arbor,
MI 48109-2029, USA
e-mail: [email protected]
Now, why would Iranian Shiites want to help the Sunnis of Fallujah make the accusations against the Americans stick?
"my enemies enemy is my friend"
This should never have been given any credibility by the media.
Seems they learned this at the George Bush school of bullshit to me.
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1 million dead, no big deal
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sounds good.
i particularly enjoyed the 'dirty a-rab' moment of your response
lets wait for this, shall we?
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yes I see your point...especially in the beginning where you use such compelling and original arguments like pigshit...your posts are always filled with realistic insight about things that happened to somebody else, but you somehow, know better
tell me...during the end of your rebuttal ,did you feel compelled to just stay your original and creative self and leave it at just "pigshit", or was the decision to add so much text towards the end an effort to actually make a whole sentence??
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you seemed so upset that your dirty a-rab was only able to interview 52 families
btw, did you know about the genetic bottleneck of history? apparently 3000 breedable pairs outta africa 6k years ago
makes us all fairly related, yes?
Anyway, seems you esteem the good Iranian doctor so much, that's the end all be all of studies to be found on the internet
the one i posted is fresh and now being analyzed. I think ti's funny they'd go to so much effort, money, and political 'umf', over something that is 'not an issue'
but hey, i have learned a few things the hard way myself.Comment
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Look...sport...I think that I have explained to you before that I use pigshit when someone posts something that is ridiculous or so far from the truth that it is ridiculous. I think I have also explained to you that I do not care to "debate" with someone that is ignorant about the subject that they are posting about. I think that I have also explained to you that I try not to respond to "trolls". Your posts usually meet all of the above criteria.yes I see your point...especially in the beginning where you use such compelling and original arguments like pigshit...your posts are always filled with realistic insight about things that happened to somebody else, but you somehow, know better
tell me...during the end of your rebuttal ,did you feel compelled to just stay your original and creative self and leave it at just "pigshit", or was the decision to add so much text towards the end an effort to actually make a whole sentence??
in any case it was completely unexpected and refreshing...
I have been a member of this board for more than ten years and I have grown very tired of "debating" with the ignorant...stupid and "trolls" which dominate this board so my standard response has become simply...pigshit.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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The reason it's ignored is because no one really cares any more. The US did what we did when we did it; It's old news. Finding out that the Bush administration might have been right all along isn't too important.
One would think the former Bush administration would shouting about this as loud as they can...Herschel Savage
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http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceno.../10/08-03.html
there is more articles/studies/hobbyists around, not finding right now thoComment
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if only there had been a clue
now I see it too
for a moment there you stood at risk of me leaning towards thinking that you are impotent at debate, but I certainly stand corrected now that you have explained that you are actually above responding even though you respond nevertheless...now you are truly showing me what a master of self control you are
oh well theres no debating with such strong arguments...get in to your plane and go bomb something you are right!
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my apologies, i remember it as 6k, i suppose i am remembering 60k
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You have on multiple occasions referred to me as having bombed people. If you are under the impression that the Airborne in my division patch makes you think that I was in the Airforce...I was not. Airborne means that I was a paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne Division which is the only remaining paratrooper division the U.S. Army has left.if only there had been a clue
now I see it too
for a moment there you stood at risk of me leaning towards thinking that you are impotent at debate, but I certainly stand corrected now that you have explained that you are actually above responding even though you respond nevertheless...now you are truly showing me what a master of self control you are
oh well theres no debating with such strong arguments...get in to your plane and go bomb something you are right!When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Atleast we know you're not a shapeshifting reptillian believer _Richard_
Or are you?
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If you think the justification for going to Iraq was based on chemical and not nuclear weapons you are either:
a.) too young to remember 2002 and now are Googling stories about the Iraq war
b.) staying willfully ignorant to justify a terrible, terrible war
Stories about chemical weapons in Iraq were reported from day one of the war. It just wasn't a story because anyone with half a fucking brain knows the difference between a nuclear weapon or WMD and chemical weapons.Always looking for trades on Linkspun! Check my Id hereComment
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again, my post was about the wikileaks, i've mentioned that many many times, and included stating that i do not endorse the war or justification for it.
not sure why people confuse trying to find a factual view of the past with embracing that view. what's that expression *doomed to repeat something or other*,........Comment
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I dont doubt burying military equipment in the desert. There were plenty of pictures of that. Hiding/camouflaging equipment from attack is not a novel idea. In the middle of the desert, there is only one way to go... down. You have to remember what happened in the first war. He lost almost all of his hardware (tanks/planes etc) in the first 2 days.
I would guess they planned to go to war because it was a window of opportunity to plant a very large US base on the region. At least I would hope that was the reason..
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No your post original post is about why Wikileaks cables were being "ignored"
These cables contained information that everyone knew about. It had be reported over and over that there were chemical weapons in Iraq. Nobody disputed that Iraq was in possession of chemical weapons, so finding this stuff was expected.
But the basis to get into Iraq was an imminent threat posed by their nuclear capabilities. And there were no nuclear weapons found.
So 7 years after the initial invasion, after finding no nuclear weapons, after all of the money spent, after the massive loss of life, you wanted the media to make a big deal about Iraq having chemical weapons that everyone knew they had?Always looking for trades on Linkspun! Check my Id hereComment
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I found that pic too. Wake up Canada!
....er... uhm... I mean George Bush is the problem!!!
Canada is the major supplier of Uranium for Nuclear Weapons
http://akashmanews.com/2012/12/12/ca...clear-weapons/.
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hmmmmmmmmmm:::::::::
On May 27, 2003, a secret Defense Intelligence Agency fact-finding mission in Iraq reported unanimously to intelligence officials in Washington that two trailers captured in Iraq by Kurdish troops "had nothing to do with biological weapons." The trailers had been a key part of the argument for the 2003 invasion; Secretary of State Colin Powell had told the United Nations Security Council, "We have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails. We know what the fermenters look like. We know what the tanks, pumps, compressors and other parts look like." The Pentagon team had been sent to investigate the trailers after the invasion.
The team of experts unanimously found "no connection to anything biological"; one of the experts told reporters that they privately called the trailers "the biggest sand toilets in the world." The report was classified, and the next day, the CIA publicly released the assessment of its Washington analysts that the trailers were "mobile biological weapons production." The White House continued to refer to the trailers as mobile biological laboratories throughout the year, and the Pentagon field report remained classified. It is still classified, but a Washington Post report of April 12, 2006 disclosed some of the details of the report.
According to the Post:
A spokesman for the DIA asserted that the team's findings were neither ignored nor suppressed, but were incorporated in the work of the Iraqi Survey Group, which led the official search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. The survey group's final report in September 2004 – 15 months after the technical report was written – said the trailers were "impractical" for biological weapons production and were "almost certainly intended" for manufacturing hydrogen for weather balloons.[90] "[No] one in this country probably was more surprised than I when weapons of mass destruction were not used against our troops as they moved toward Baghdad." General Tommy Franks December 2, 2005.[91]Comment
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who is ignoring it ?
it's well known Sodamn Insane had chemical weapons
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hmmmmmmm:::::
In the run up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, the main rationale for the Iraq War was Hussein's Iraq failure to transparently and verifiably cease Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD - nuclear, biological and chemical weapons) programs, and to destroy all materials relating thereto, as mandated in United Nations Resolution 1441.
In February 2003 the then Secretary of State Colin Powell gave a presentation before the United Nations showing a computer generated view of what the laboratories looked like. He said Iraq had as many as 18 mobile facilities for making anthrax and botulinum toxin. "They can produce enough dry, biological agent in a single month to kill thousands upon thousands of people."
Powell based the assertion on accounts of at least four Iraqi defectors, including a chemical engineer who supervised one of the facilities and been present during production runs of a biological agent. [1] Following the invasion of Iraq two trailers were found and initially declared as the alleged mobile labs.
Dick Cheney continued to claim trailers were mobile labs
September 14, 2003 "Same on biological weapons--we believe he'd developed the capacity to go mobile with his BW production capability because, again, in reaction to what we had done to him in '91. We had intelligence reporting before the war that there were at least seven of these mobile labs that he had gone out and acquired. We've, since the war, found two of them. They're in our possession today, mobile biological facilities that can be used to produce anthrax or smallpox or whatever else you wanted to use during the course of developing the capacity for an attack." Dick Cheney, Meet the Press, NBC.
January 22, 2004 "In terms of the question what is there now, we know for example that prior to our going in that he had spent time and effort acquiring mobile biological weapons labs, and we're quite confident he did, in fact, have such a program. We've found a couple of semi trailers at this point which we believe were, in fact, part of that program." Dick Cheney, Morning Edition, NPR.
Powell retraction
“ I looked at the four [sources] that [the CIA] gave me for [the mobile bio-labs], and they stood behind them, ... Now it appears not to be the case that it was that solid. At the time I was preparing the presentation, it was presented to me as being solid.[21] April 3, 2004
I feel terrible ... [giving the speech] ... It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now.[4]" 2005Last edited by dyna mo; 04-26-2013, 11:23 AM.Comment
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