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  • Paul
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2002
    • 2637

    #106
    Originally posted by bl4h
    The people who will make money are the ones who bought when it was low and sold a week ago. it might peek again i dunno. but who are these retards buying it at its peek? FUCKIN IDIOTS LOL
    TBH I don't see this as the peak, or anywhere near the peak for that matter.

    Bitcoin is only starting to get mainstream attention. With any speculative bubble (Ponzi Scheme) it crashes dramatically once you run out of suckers to invest, this thing is just getting started IMO

    It'll be interesting to see if the Bankers get involved, once you start seeing it discussed daily in the media and front page headlines about Bitcoin, that'll be the time to cash out or when the taxi driver starts talking about how Bitcoin is a good investment LOL

    Granted if I had bought Bitcoins around $1 or $2 I'd be cashing out 95% of them and laughing my way to the bank right now.

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    • dyna mo
      just a fucking jerk
      • Dec 2008
      • 68184

      #107
      Originally posted by Mutt
      A

      What happens when/if bitcoins really do take off - when there are thousands of retailers online who accept them for expensive hard goods like computers? For example, I buy a $2,000 computer from some online merchant with bitcoins and get scammed, they take my bitcoins and don't ship me a computer. With a credit card I can do a chargeback, with Paypal I can do a dispute and win, with a check or wire I at least have hard evidence to use in court - what does the customer who uses bitcoins show in court to prove he sent $2,000 in bitcoins - is there a printable proof of transaction that will identify the user I sent the $2,000 in bitcoins to?
      this is something i've been wondering about too, the lack of being able to chargeback has been pitched as a good thing, it's not. obviously as a buyer i want to be able to chargeback but as a merchant my potential shoppers are more inclined to purchase from me knowing they have that safety net, i.e., i make sales due to customers being able to chargeback.

      in fact, i think this would have to be upgraded for the next level of adoption- merchant support.

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      • dyna mo
        just a fucking jerk
        • Dec 2008
        • 68184

        #108
        Originally posted by Supz
        qftttttt

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        • dyna mo
          just a fucking jerk
          • Dec 2008
          • 68184

          #109
          Originally posted by Paul
          TBH I don't see this as the peak, or anywhere near the peak for that matter.

          Bitcoin is only starting to get mainstream attention. With any speculative bubble (Ponzi Scheme) it crashes dramatically once you run out of suckers to invest, this thing is just getting started IMO

          It'll be interesting to see if the Bankers get involved, once you start seeing it discussed daily in the media and front page headlines about Bitcoin, that'll be the time to cash out or when the taxi driver starts talking about how Bitcoin is a good investment LOL

          Granted if I had bought Bitcoins around $1 or $2 I'd be cashing out 95% of them and laughing my way to the bank right now.
          i'm with you. this will blow over, the price will settle to who knows where, i'm pretty stunned it's staying at $140~ for not only, what, a week now, but coming back after the attacks.

          but, yes, exactly eh, real bubbles take years to develop, drunk post so i'll make a prediction-

          this will settle to some degree, the hype will hit again for btc, rinse and repeat until
          1.most the coins are mined in 3.5 years, which i would think lessen the craziness and then we can all see if it can work as a currency

          or 2) a serious security breach fubar's the whole thing totally or 3) wall street/the government fubar it.

          so a few more years, which is pretty quick eh.

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          • DWB
            Registered User
            • Jul 2003
            • 31779

            #110
            Originally posted by Paul
            Correction, they use it to misinform a broader audience.

            Sensationalism is used to sell the story, a newspaper isn't going to let things like facts get in the way of a story
            You got that right.

            Originally posted by Supz
            Titcoins. I'm all in.

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            • Zeiss
              Confirmed User
              • May 2012
              • 5189

              #111
              Originally posted by dyna mo
              how does this fit into your conspiracy theorist agenda?

              people should stay with the dollar, since it's backed by the faith and promise of a government.
              Euro is better. Rocksolid.


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              • DWB
                Registered User
                • Jul 2003
                • 31779

                #112
                Originally posted by Zealotry
                Euro is better. Rocksolid.
                Is that sarcasm or are you serious?

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                • Zeiss
                  Confirmed User
                  • May 2012
                  • 5189

                  #113
                  Originally posted by DWB
                  Is that sarcasm or are you serious?
                  Make a smart guess..


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                  • jscott
                    jscizzle
                    • Feb 2001
                    • 25411

                    #114
                    Even if all the gov'ts in the world fight against BTC, it cannot be shutdown if it has people support imho. It's peer to peer and encrypted. If people in general find it worth something, value it for whatever reason, it will always have a worth $ amount imho.
                    “If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of.”
                    —Jordan B. Peterson

                    Listen to Pomp tell why is Bitcoin important

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                    • dyna mo
                      just a fucking jerk
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 68184

                      #115
                      Originally posted by jscott
                      Even if all the gov'ts in the world fight against BTC, it cannot be shutdown if it has people support imho. It's peer to peer and encrypted. If people in general find it worth something, value it for whatever reason, it will always have a worth $ amount imho.
                      the nsa developed the encryption. couldn't they hack their own code?

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                      • DWB
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 31779

                        #116
                        Originally posted by Zealotry
                        Make a smart guess..
                        On this board, no idea.

                        Originally posted by dyna mo
                        the nsa developed the encryption. couldn't they hack their own code?
                        They probably already have.

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                        • dyna mo
                          just a fucking jerk
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 68184

                          #117
                          sha-3 for btc?

                          The only known way to ascertain the security of a cryptographic algorithm is to leave it under close scrutiny of hundreds of cryptographers for several years, and see what comes out. So the right perspective here is historical.

                          MD5 was published in 1992; it was actually designed the year before (1991). In 1993, first weaknesses were spotted, then bigger weaknesses in 1996 (collisions on the compression function, found by Dobbertin). It took 8 years for these weaknesses to be turned into actual collisions by Wang, in 2004. Seven years later, in 2011, we can create MD5 collisions at will (and much more efficiently than with Wang's original method), but preimage and second-preimage resistances of MD5 are still as good as ever.

                          From this we can infer that when weaknesses are found in hash function, they do not appear overnight: we have quite some time to react. Also, the first MD5 weaknesses were discovered only one year after its publication, and that was in the early 1990s when the public research in cryptography involved much fewer people than nowadays.

                          Let's see what this gives for SHA-256: first published in 2001; ten years later (2011), we still have no clue whatsoever on the slightest hint of a weakness. This would be suggestive that SHA-256 is indeed robust, and collisions for SHA-256 are not just right around the corner. Also, I have not looked in full details at the Bitcoin protocol, but it seems that collisions are not a real danger for Bitcoin -- it rather relies on preimage resistance, for which not only SHA-256 is rock solid, but even MD5 would still be reliable.

                          However, it is dangerous to make statistics on a single measure. In 2007, it was estimated that there was a relatively high risk that the attacks on MD5 could be transported to SHA-1 and then SHA-256/512 -- this prompted NIST to organize the SHA-3 competition. It turned out that attacks on SHA-1 have somehow stopped progressing, and there is no attack on SHA-2. Whether this is because SHA-2 is really robust, or because all the cryptographers are busy trying to break the SHA-3 candidates, is not known (but my opinion is the former: SHA-2 is a secure hash algorithm).

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