Smoking a joint is equivalent to 20 cigarettes in terms of lung cancer

WOW, Hateman!! I am guessing you did not chose your nic. Rather, it was given to you, for your ability to earn it so easily.

Now you have issues with homosexuality. This from a hateful insulting person whom works in the porn industry.

Go back to church, get on your knees, slip your skull under the preacher's frock and hum for forgiveness.

http://www.rentatroll.com

From this point on, you are on ignore list for being a fag.

Talk to the hand, idiot

You're an idiot

LOL!!!

Exactly what do you think AAA is all about?

It's not a support group for people whom have issues with agro people!

What an emotional little bitch lol...

Whoa, hold up champ, you've got it backwards.

Alcohol is physically addictive. Severe addicts suffer from "alcoholic shakes" ranging from mild to life threatening. YOU CAN DIE. http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/withd.../aa000125a.htm .

Marijuana, however, has no known phsyically addictive properties.

Man, you aren't even a good troll. If you're gonna troll, at least be funny with it. You suck at this dude.

to be fair there are only like 100 people in NZ and about 300 million sheep so 20 people is a big chunk of the population ;-)

This is not true. Cancer is not a mathematical issue.

Of course any thing different than pure air produce something bad to your lungs, but to make a mathematical relation is a very stupid thing.

It's about retards like you.

You got to be a total fucking idiot and a loser to get addicted to alcohol.

I drink on occasions and never feel the urge to binge on it.


But almost all dopers can't go a day without getting stoned.

"Alcohol is not addictive", gotta be the quote of the year

Look at all the dumb hippy stoners frothing in this thread!

Priceless

qouted for ignorance.

thats goin in my sig.

..and are the poster child for why it too should be made illegal. You are as agro as meth, or crack head, that's coming the carpet for the lost rock!

You are a premature poster! You verbally ejaculate before your zipper is even down!


twat a sweeping generalization. I guess your not having any (real) friends in your life, as well your being total self-centered, means you do not have anybody close to you to see that that statement is far from true.


Uhm, exactly what did your parents do to you to make turn out like this?

I almost feel sorry for you.

while pot does have alot of medicinal uses it is far more destructive to the lungs then cigs.

cigarettes fucking suck!!!! I hate when people light up around me if you smoke i hope you get a fucking (HOLE IN YOUR THROAT)....

It had nothing to do with that and that is just tinfoil hat territory. It had just about everything to do with an issue we current have today, illegal Mexicans. Just back then at first we needed their labor so it was cool, then the depression hit and people wanted to make them take their asses back to Mexico. So they applied the same tax law that they applied to machine guns in order to make it illegal. Reality was though that the Federal Government wanted nothing to do with it and felt it was a state issue yet the border states forced it.

The Southern states forced cocaine onto the list by associating it with black men sexually violating white women, often by force. Which also was untrue. It was a drug that companies often gave to their dock workers so that they could have them work longer shifts without getting tired.

It is a classic statement fo sho.

Drugs are bad MMM kay!!!

Again that is a statement based more on illegally produced Government propaganda than anything else. Medical studies showed even to the surprise of the performing doctors that marijuana had the opposite effect of what they figured. Lung destruction, increased cancer risks, and the like.

Just like straight untreated tobacco is nowhere as near damaging to you as commercially produced ciggerettes.

no one knows?

you can find stats on what is your risk of getting infected with HIV dependent on the sexual act with a HIV positive person, but there are no stats for getting lung cuncer after 30 years of smoking?

i wonder how big those joints were.

hmm found some site:


http://www.ricancercouncil.org/cance...ncer-facts.php

How do you get HIV? You are either infected with the virus or you are not.

Cancer, on the other hand, can not be broken down that easily. Genetics, enviroment, lifestyle and other factors all play an important roll.

You have obviously never seen someone go through alcohol withdrawl. Its not pretty.

Im am speaking from personal experience.

I was a 24/7 smoker of killer green bud for 20+ years. Since quitting my lung capacity and function has increased dramatically according to my dr.

I dont know what the government propaganda is about the drug. I do believe it should be legalized but I do believe its more harmfull then cigs.

Let me guess, you still smoke cigarettes.

Scientific studies have shown that not to be the case though. Yet I am not about to say inhalling any form of smoke into your lungs is healthful either. So if you shall use it use a vaporizer, tonic, or just eat it.

Then those that use joints also get effects of the paper and thoe who like blunts get processed tobacco added into the mix to boot.

It's never good to inhale super heated gas in to the lungs. However, the largest study done to date clearly shows NO link between Lung Cancer and Marijuana smoke.

Some have theorized that some property of Marijuana may actively destroy weak or dying cells, leaving only strong and more cancer resistant cells.

Got link?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...L&type=science

Problem is, that this will be their last study allowed as it is fairly well known that if you perform a study and want the marijuana exemption that legally allows you to study the drug you must only post negative results which ussually and almost always are overturned by another country who are not so draconian when it comes to drug studies.

posted 3 of them a page ago

"The new findings "were against our expectations," said Dr. Donald Tashkin, a UCLA pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years."

This pothead has been getting stoned for 30 years straight.

Yeah, he's not biased.

Uhhh it doesn't say he smokes pot. The goverment has been using his findings for a long time AGAINST Marijuana.

gives you low sperm count also , thats why hippies never have any kids..

Are you in denial?

"Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. "

these facts are skewed against MANY MANY other better studies done.

In Denial of what? I sort of doubt this doctor is what you describe as a pothead.

However, even if he did smoke everyday for 30 years like you claim, he'd still enormously more qualified by virtue of being a Pulmanologist than somebody like say you, as a source of information about Lung Cancer.

Of course, you don't actually want to discuss or debate any subject, you just want to stir up emotions so there's no sense trying to educate you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp2Ntjridp0

10-20 joints a day for 25 years. His lungs are in PERFECT condition

Annual Causes of Death in the United States
Tobacco 435,0001 --------------------------------------------------BINGO
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,0001
Alcohol 85,000 1
Microbial Agents 75,0001
Toxic Agents 55,0001
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,3471
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,0002
Suicide 30,6223
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,0001
Homicide 20,3084
Sexual Behaviors 20,0001
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,0001, 5
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,6006
Marijuana 07 --------------------------------------------------BINGO


(2000): "The leading causes of death in 2000 were tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths), poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%), and alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%). Other actual causes of death were microbial agents (75,000), toxic agents (55,000), motor vehicle crashes (43,000), incidents involving firearms (29,000), sexual behaviors (20,000), and illicit use of drugs (17,000)."
(Note: According to a correction published by the Journal on Jan. 19, 2005, "On page 1240, in Table 2, '400,000 (16.6)' deaths for 'poor diet and physical inactivity' in 2000 should be '365,000 (15.2).' A dagger symbol should be added to 'alcohol consumption' in the body of the table and a dagger footnote should be added with 'in 1990 data, deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in alcohol consumption deaths, but not in motor vehicle deaths. In 2000 data, 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in both alcohol consumption and motor vehicle death categories." Source: Journal of the American Medical Association, Jan. 19, 2005, Vol. 293, No. 3, p. 298.)

Source: Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, pp. 1238, 1241.


(2000): "Illicit drug use is associated with suicide, homicide, motor-vehicle injury, HIV infection, pneumonia, violence, mental illness, and hepatitis. An estimated 3 million individuals in the United States have serious drug problems. Several studies have reported an undercount of the number of deaths attributed to drugs by vital statistics; however, improved medical treatments have reduced mortality from many diseases associated with illicit drug use. In keeping with the report by McGinnis and Foege, we included deaths caused indirectly by illicit drug use in this category. We used attributable fractions to compute the number of deaths due to illicit drug use. Overall, we estimate that illicit drug use resulted in approximately 17000 deaths in 2000, a reduction of 3000 deaths from the 1990 report."

Source: Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, p. 1242.


(2003): The US Centers for Disease Control reports that in 2003, there were a total of 31,484 deaths from suicide in the US.

Source: Hoyert, Donna L., PhD, Heron, Melonie P., PhD, Murphy, Sherry L., BS, Kung, Hsiang-Ching, PhD; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2003," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 13 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, April 19, 2006), p. 5, Table C.


(2003): The US Centers for Disease Control reports that in 2003, there were a total of 17,732 deaths from homicide in the US.

Source: Hoyert, Donna L., PhD, Heron, Melonie P., PhD, Murphy, Sherry L., BS, Kung, Hsiang-Ching, PhD; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2003," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 13 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, April 19, 2006), p. 5, Table C.


(2003): "In 2003, a total of 28,723 persons died of drug-induced causes in the United States (Tables 21 and 22). The category 'drug-induced causes' includes not only deaths from dependent and nondependent use of drugs (legal and illegal use), but also poisoning from medically prescribed and other drugs. It excludes unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to drug use. Also excluded are newborn deaths due to mother’s drug use."

Source: Hoyert, Donna L., PhD, Heron, Melonie P., PhD, Murphy, Sherry L., BS, Kung, Hsiang-Ching, PhD; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2003," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 13 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, April 19, 2006), p. 10.


(2003): "In 2003, a total of 20,687 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States (Tables 23 and 24). The category 'alcohol-induced causes' includes not only deaths from dependent and nondependent use of alcohol, but also accidental poisoning by alcohol. It excludes unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to alcohol use as well as deaths due to fetal alcohol syndrome."

Source: Hoyert, Donna L., PhD, Heron, Melonie P., PhD, Murphy, Sherry L., BS, Kung, Hsiang-Ching, PhD; Division of Vital Statistics, "Deaths: Final Data for 2003," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 54, No. 13 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, April 19, 2006), p. 10.


(1996): "Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)

Source: Robyn Tamblyn, PhD; Laeora Berkson, MD, MHPE, FRCPC; W. Dale Jauphinee, MD, FRCPC; David Gayton, MD, PhD, FRCPC; Roland Grad, MD, MSc; Allen Huang, MD, FRCPC; Lisa Isaac, PhD; Peter McLeod, MD, FRCPC; and Linda Snell, MD, MHPE, FRCPC, "Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice," Annals of Internal Medicine (Washington, DC: American College of Physicians, 1997), September 15, 1997, 127:429-438, from the web at http://www.acponline.org/journals/an...ep97/nsaid.htm, last accessed Feb. 14, 2001, citing Fries, JF, "Assessing and understanding patient risk," Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology Supplement, 1992;92:21-4.


(Average 1982-1998): According to Canadian researchers, approximately 32,000 hospitalized patients (and possibly as many as 106,000) in the USA die each year because of adverse reactions to their prescribed medications.

Source: Lazarou, J, Pomeranz, BH, Corey, PN, "Incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients: a meta-analysis of prospective studies," Journal of the American Medical Association (Chicago, IL: American Medical Association, 1998), 1998;279:1200-1205, also letters column, "Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients," JAMA (Chicago, IL: AMA, 1998), Nov. 25, 1998, Vol. 280, No. 20, from the web at http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v280...jlt1125-1.html, last accessed Feb. 12, 2001.


An exhaustive search of the literature finds no credible reports of deaths induced by marijuana. The US Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) records instances of drug mentions in medical examiners' reports, and though marijuana is mentioned, it is usually in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Marijuana alone has not been shown to cause an overdose death.

Source: Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), available on the web at http://www.samhsa.gov/; also see Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A. Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), available on the web at http://www.nap.edu/html/marimed/; and US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition" (Docket #86-22), September 6, 1988, p. 57.

Why crop the rest of that paragraph?

" However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous. "

It's pretty easy to follow this stuff so I'm not sure where you got lost. His earlier work has established that while Marijuana contains chemicals believed to be a factor in causing cancers, this study which is a specific study on the links between Marijuana use and Lung Cancer has shown there is none.

Unfiltered cigarettes are 20 times worse than filtered cigarettes too.
blah blah blah nobody cares.

People need to die off somehow. Why else is tobacco legal. debate that.

I heard this statistic before but it's hard to believe..

Intentionally inhaling ANY type of smoke will give you cancer. What they forgot to mention was that the ingestion or other means of taking THC has absolutely no dangerous side-effects whatsoever.
Anti-pot activists 3 2 1....go!