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01-25-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Mike Semen

I do understand where you are coming from.

I disagree. There are a number of other things which seperate the two:

The ultimate aim of the phenomenon.
Philosophical premises.

i.e. are they after religious or mystical experience (the basis of the major traditions) or a protection mechainism, (animism etc), or making money/gaining power (most New Religous Movements).

You can argue this shit from various points of view. Ultimately my own reflex is to call Scientology a cult as it was brought into being by a crooked Science Fiction author.

You are correct. Mormon is also considered a cult. I just finished a world religion class and those two cults where used to define the difference between a cult and religion. I am an atheist so I have an outside view. They don't bother me. Some people need that shit, more power to them. We have choices. I was raised Roman Catholic and now I am an atheists. See CHOICE! haha I still scratch my head though when I hear the stories from their teachings and think, SERIOULY??? PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED??? haha But hey if that is what it takes to feel good fine. I know a lot of atheists that are way fucked in the head and in denial over life, I call them angry atheists. So whatever.

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01-25-2008, 02:35 PM

I went to Catholic school too, raised Roman Catholic.

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01-25-2008, 02:48 PM

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

watch this little blurb on scientology's tactics for some more information on what a sham scientology is. sorry banthis, couldn't find the other ytmd link, but this one cam eup, and i found it quite interesting...
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01-25-2008, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by ismokeblunts

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

watch this little blurb on scientology's tactics for some more information on what a sham scientology is. sorry banthis, couldn't find the other ytmd link, but this one cam eup, and i found it quite interesting...

that was all in the youtube video
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01-25-2008, 02:53 PM

Please do not destroy scientology! I need them to remove my thetans.
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01-25-2008, 02:53 PM

Scientology has a long history of criminal activity. Read more on Operation Snow White. Infiltration of 136 government agencies in the USA by scientology members took place where documents were stole, wiretaps were placed and attempts were made to drop restrictions against scientology's powers. Found guilty in an FBI investigation were 11 high ranking scientologists, including L Ron Hubbard's own wife!

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#57

01-25-2008, 03:59 PM

I just think its funny that it was founded by a science fiction author..
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01-25-2008, 04:01 PM

Alot of anti Scientology stuff on digg in the last few days. Looks like it is blowing up.
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01-25-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

I went to Catholic school too, raised Roman Catholic.

Now, antitheist

We have something in common? OMG!!!

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01-25-2008, 04:02 PM

Fucking wackos

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01-25-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by RageCash-Ben

Alot of anti Scientology stuff on digg in the last few days. Looks like it is blowing up.

it's everywhere right now, it's blowing up indeed. lots of media coverage everywhere too. just go to youtube and see how many scientology video shave been posted over the last week that have views well into the millions...
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01-25-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by ismokeblunts

it's everywhere right now, it's blowing up indeed. lots of media coverage everywhere too. just go to youtube and see how many scientology video shave been posted over the last week that have views well into the millions...

think anonymous is really doing it?or just people who think scientology is weird and finally have an excuse to say something?

..i bet tom cruz is pisseddd
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#63

01-25-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Loryn

You are correct.

You might agree with him - and so might your professor - but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he is "correct."

I think that the ideas involved are open to debate.

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01-25-2008, 04:17 PM

I feel close to Protestants and Jews, but i don't like Catholics and Muslims.

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01-25-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by banthis

think anonymous is really doing it?or just people who think scientology is weird and finally have an excuse to say something?

..i bet tom cruz is pisseddd

i think a large portion of the attack is coming from anonymous, but it's really spread quickly. who knows just how many people are bombing the scientology sites and where they're coming from now...
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01-25-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by ismokeblunts

i think a large portion of the attack is coming from anonymous, but it's really spread quickly. who knows just how many people are bombing the scientology sites and where they're coming from now...

i think its a mix for anonymous and just the haters
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#67

01-25-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by banthis

i think its a mix for anonymous and just the haters

i don't care who it is, as long as they keep at it...
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#68

01-25-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by ismokeblunts

i don't care who it is, as long as they keep at it...

I personally have no beef with Scientologists.. if they want to follow some science fiction author, let them have their fun.
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#69

01-25-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by banthis

I personally have no beef with Scientologists.. if they want to follow some science fiction author, let them have their fun.

i actually consider l run hubbard to be one of my idols,but not quite in the same way scientologists do. i can't stand his brainwashed retard followers. this is like trekkies trying to claim religious freedom to worship capitain picard.....
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01-25-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by ismokeblunts

i actually consider l run hubbard to be one of my idols,but not quite in the same way scientologists do. i can't stand his brainwashed retard followers. this is like trekkies trying to claim religious freedom to worship capitain picard.....

One can claim christians to be brainwashed retard followers (i do not mean to offend). Jesus is their captain picard
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#71

01-25-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by banthis

One can claim christians to be brainwashed retard followers (i do not mean to offend). Jesus is their captain picard

people have been hating on christians forever, but they've been around forever. you'd think that at this point in history people would be smart enough to see beyond a bullshit cult like scientology that springs out of nowhere in our own time.
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01-25-2008, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by ismokeblunts

people have been hating on christians forever, but they've been around forever. you'd think that at this point in history people would be smart enough to see beyond a bullshit cult like scientology that springs out of nowhere in our own time.

Same thing goes for the jews.

Anywho, this is turning into a religious debate haha.
Back on topic, any new on anonymous?
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#73

01-25-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by banthis

Same thing goes for the jews.

Anywho, this is turning into a religious debate haha.
Back on topic, any new on anonymous?

there won't be anything new, they'll ddos for a while, then lose steam, nothing will come of it...
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01-25-2008, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by ismokeblunts

there won't be anything new, they'll ddos for a while, then lose steam, nothing will come of it...

So you're saying they WONT remove scientology from the world?
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01-25-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by D

Yeah... I understand your point - but I hope you also get my greater meaning.

Today's 'religions' were yesterday's 'cults.'

Some of today's 'cults' were yesterday's 'religions.'

The only thing that really separates the two is during what year and what geographic location you happen to be standing... and what the consensus of the general populace of that year and place feels is the most agreeable at that moment.

I'm not trying to upset anyone - but I do feel that people often forget that.

... and, as whack as their teachings may seem to be - Scientology's legal offensive is a lot more civilized than the methods employed by some of today's more established "religions" in their historical efforts to become mainstream cults.

You are right on the fucking money with this assessment, sir.
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01-25-2008, 08:11 PM

For those who don't realize it: "anonymous" isn't a secret hacker gang, it's just the combined posters of 4chan, 7chan, 711chan, 420chan, ebaumsworld, etc.

There is no organized attack going on, just chaotic trolling. Sure, there are millions of people on those sites, but the majority doesn't care a bit about this "war", and would much rather spend time posting pictures of lolcats, gore, porn and memes.

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01-25-2008, 08:31 PM

go on www.digg.com and look at the top diggs
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01-26-2008, 06:26 AM

Sounds a lot like most other religions out there too.

Originally posted by Anadrol

do a search for Scientology and its pending cases and lost cases and settlements on line ... they kill, use scare tactics, brain wash and steal people's life savings pretty scary group and not mention they are the first organization ever to be successfully found to be in corruption and power control of major US intel agencies...
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01-26-2008, 07:19 AM

Any updates?
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01-26-2008, 09:01 AM

I'm all for it.

Especially after getting kinda close with a Scientologist in the past, I've seen firsthand that it's really different from any other religion I've ever encountered. It's a by-the-book cult, complete with brainwashing, its own "language", literally convincing its members to dedicate every dollar and moment of their time to the cult (including working 60-70 hours a week for free on TOP of a normal job to pay the cult's fees and signing a "billion year contract" that has actually resulted in people who have tried to leave being killed or at least hounded for the rest of their lives), etc etc etc.

Anyone who compares Scientology with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Mormonism... etc, doesn't understand the difference that makes it a cult and the others religions... and needs to do some research or spend some time around these people, and look beyond kneejerk religious cynicism/skepticism and pay attention to what Scientology is actually doing to these people, to people who publicly speak out/take action against them, etc. Once you begin understanding Scientology, it resembles any other religion less and less.

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01-26-2008, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by banthis

Any updates?

Pretty much all scientology sites have going down and up and down again over the past few days.

711chan got hacked, partyvan.info disappeared.

Don't expect much more than that happening, though.

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01-26-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Libertine

Pretty much all scientology sites have going down and up and down again over the past few days.

711chan got hacked, partyvan.info disappeared.

Don't expect much more than that happening, though.

I expect a bunch of death threats, seems like that is what they usually do.. but i guess the church is holding up pretty well.. good for them
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01-26-2008, 11:39 AM

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01-26-2008, 12:45 PM

watch out for xenu's wrath!!

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01-26-2008, 03:58 PM

All hail Xenu.

Be very wary of the 10th of February.

Anonymous goes back to the terrorists that filled the Boston harbor with tea; the negros that refused to be seated in the back of the bus. We are the worthless that stormed the Bastille then decapitated an empress, and the separatists that brought down the iron curtain. But this time, our revolution will not be betrayed. We will bow to no leader, we bow only to ourselves.

The anonymous masses have always been vilified by those that have everything to lose. Anonymous has everything to gain. Will we be the generation of apathy? No. We must take our world back.

We are forged from the secret rage and tempered with the will of a people oppressed. A work in progress like our brothers and sisters behind the great wall or those at home who fight those who wish to demolish our rights.

Today the enemy is The Church of Scientology. They wish to suppress, dominate, oppress, terrorize and control. They have poisoned the most weak and then sold the same poison as a cure.

To clear the planet is to destroy anonymous, to destroy the disbelievers, to destroy their own followers. and to destroy You.

Now is the winter of our discontent. The church as always fought the few, the divided. Anonymous is the many. We are one hundred thousand strong. We can be a million strong, but only with you.

On February 10th, at the 11th hour of the day, anonymous will assemble around all the Churches of Scientology in the world and demand that they be demolished. That their prisoners be released, that they cease to torture, brainwash and terrorize their followers and those who know the truth.

Join us, and take a stand for the freedom of knowledge, the freedom of faith, the freedom of our world. We cannot forgive what they have done. We cannot forget Lisa McPherson. We are a hundred thousand legion. Expect us, on February 10th 2008.
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01-26-2008, 04:47 PM

4chan for the epic win
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01-26-2008, 08:21 PM

scientology.com is still working.. fail
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01-26-2008, 08:41 PM

gee, all this time i thought that they were just here for our amusement.

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01-27-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by jmcb420

gee, all this time i thought that they were just here for our amusement.

Oh but they aree
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01-28-2008, 10:21 AM

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And now will smith!

they can have the wigger!!

I never had any use for the clown, rich or not. His tunes suck, and do his movies.
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01-28-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash.

they can have the wigger!!

I never had any use for the clown, rich or not. His tunes suck, and do his movies.

Dont be hatin, his music might be a little weak but he is a good actor
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