12clicks' Position On Cross Sales

to further point out how out of your depth you are, Loryn works with cross sales. she wasn't duped by anything.
you're completely clueless.

i have lost track what Loryn does now, sorry , I just like tall left handed blondes that love pussy cats.

ahahahahahaha.
lets just leave this quote out here on its own genius!

then why don't we agree to disagree and let it go?

For what it's worth, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on the subject BV and I'm sure a lot of lurkers reading the thread will be signing up and sending sales your way.

http://www.bvbucks.com/ http://www.bvcash.com

200 hits 12clicks got today to his program.

because this isn't just about me

this is also about CCBill affiliates and how I believe that this could hurt CCBill's super great reputation that they have towards protecting affiliates

i don't like that they are even allowing this

i think it will come back to haunt them

and they know how i feel about this

but if you want to take a break

court will readjourn in a few hours

Saying a program should not pay out a 'true 50%' and saying affiliates should be in favor of it because they need to help out programs during 'tough times' is two totally different things... and frankly you know it.

Affiliates should send their traffic where it earns them the most money. Sponsors should pay as little for traffic as they can without lying to or deceiving their affiliates. The 'tough times - would you rather make 0% from an out of business sponsor' remark was bullshit... and you know it was bullshit.

as Robbie so eloquently pointed out, your idea of "true 50%" is nothing of the sort.

No worries Brujah, thanks

I'm just fighting for what I believe in.

BV can you show any real facts that cross sales have affected rebills not just your retroact assumptions.
You have been working this thread by pretending you have some moral high ground and your above making money from affiliates and not giving them a slice etc.
Please show by any means how cross sales hurt affiliates bottom line?
You have not answered any real questions or shown any facts to substantiate your alligations. You have done nothing more than chest beating and trying to drum up some new affiliates who may believe that you are a nice high moral standards guy who wont cheat them.

there has been way too much lumping together of properly done cross sales with the hidden, shady cross sale practices that we all know are going on.

I heard there was a guy here on GFY selling children's game sites as a pre-checked porn cross sale.

I heard there was a guy here on GFY selling children's game sites as a pre-checked porn cross sale.

Is this true? Isn't this a violation of federal law?

Old thread ... interesting to see who's still around and who's not.

Interesting what 5 years does to a business.

You know what's interesting.... is that i've been staring at those panties for years now... and never knew that it's been mispelled the entire time until today.

"Luckly Day" Wow.

After reading the rash of threads recently regarding cross sales, it's clear that most people don't know much more about the subject other than whatever it is that's been yelled the loudest on the boards. As someone who is in the cross sale business, I thought I would respond to the hysteria.

Pre-checked cross sales are a legal, commonly used way of doing business that both Visa and Mastercard allow. When done correctly (as in, how I do it) there is a huge benefit to the program owner with very little risk. There is also a correct way to handle the surfer so as not to scare them away from adult sites altogether. When done incorrectly, the industry is put at risk.

Hidden, pre-checked cross sales are misleading, wrong, and most likely illegal. None of us should be surprised to see some large programs prosecuted by the DOJ or FTC for this underhanded practice.
I do not support them, condone them, or do anything besides pray for their demise. They hurt us all and we do not now, nor will we ever, do business with people who practice hidden cross sales. If we have a partner who turns to the dark side, we will drop them in a heart beat.


However, there has been way too much lumping together of properly done cross sales with the hidden, shady cross sale practices that we all know are going on. This is done mostly by the uninformed but also by some who's agenda it is to discredit a business practice that is not their own (in typical GFY style)


Take our model for example.
Our prechecks are fully visible and explained in detail above the submit button. There is nothing hidden about them. They are right in the surfer's face. However, if the surfer doesn't understand or somehow doesn't see the checkbox, he WILL receive an email in plain text (so as not to get caught in a spam filter) explaining that he has joined along with the website URL and more importantly, the CANCEL PAGE URL. There is simply no deception. But we go even further to protect the surfer. If, somehow, they didn't see the checkbox and didn't get the email, our descriptors that show up on their credit card statement have our toll free customer service phone number and our cancel page url. If they contact our customer service and ask for a refund, we refund them in full NO QUESTIONS ASKED. It doesn't matter whether they say,"I have no idea what this charge is" or "I just want to cheat you out of money" we give a full refund. All of that is to take care of the surfer!



We also have a few proprietary ways of protecting the program owner who sells to us from the small percentage of disgruntled surfers as well but that's not for public consumption. There's a reason we're better than our competition and I'm just not going to give it away on a chat board.

And just a quick word on retention. Since I also sell off some cross sales, I too, am very concerned about retention. Because of the way we operate cross sales, we've always enjoyed great retention. At a time when you hear people struggling for 3month retention, we're looking at many many many surfers staying with us for over a year. The myth that cross sales hurt retention is just that, a myth.

I'm currently working with some of the biggest most ethical companies in our business and there's a reason for that. If you're a program owner who's interested in cross sales, contact me and find out why.

Been waiting years for someone to point it out


Time for a new avatar soon

theanl....

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