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PornHub good or bad? who owns them? this is what I found out.

01-18-2008, 09:15 PM

I haven't looked into PornHub. I *hear* there is copyrighted content on their site. Anyone who owns content that is listed on pornhub can confirm this?

If you people want to own a program and a tube site that has copyrighted content on it, fine. Just be upfront about it. At least Brett from SammySmack admitted they own Rude.com.

>Don't shoot the messenger< but this information was given to me to post and I have verified it so it is true. Draw your own conclusions.

Whois Info for PornHub: 2007-03-02 (it was switched to Whois Privacy Protection Service shortly after. )

Domain Name: PORNHUB.COM

Registrant [583979]:
Matt Keez
6020 Jean Talon est suite 325
Montreal
AZ
H1S 3B1
CA

Administrative Contact [583979]:
Matt Keez [email protected]
6020 Jean Talon est suite 325
Montreal
AZ
H1S 3B1
CA
Phone: +1.5142582097

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Whois Info for JuggCash: 2006-01-14 (note the address is the same)

Domain name: juggcash.com

Registrant Contact:
Mansef Productions Inc.
Mansef Productions ([email protected])
+1.5142545120
Fax: none
6020 Jean-Talon Est suite 325
Montreal, H1S3B1
CA

Administrative Contact:
Mansef Productions Inc.
Mansef Productions ([email protected])
+1.5142545120
Fax: none
6020 Jean-Talon Est suite 325
Montreal, H1S3B1
CA

Technical Contact:
Mansef Productions Inc.
Mansef Mansef ([email protected])
+1.5142545120
Fax: none
6020 Jean-Talon Est suite 325
Montreal, H1S3B1
CA

There is a lot of whois and other stuff tieing brazzers and juggcash and pornhub together. I think the fact they used the same physical addresses at some point is proof enough the same people own both sites.

Also what was interesting to find out was that Gary Kremen was on the whois for pornhub from 2006-05-31 to 2007-01-15 and it looks like it went straight from him to brazzers.com.

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Registrant [15462]:
Grant Media LLC
2544 3rd Street
San Francisco
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01-18-2008, 09:17 PM

BTW, i heard people got banned for posting this stuff, so do i get banned ?

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01-18-2008, 09:20 PM

Last time this subject came up the thread was immediately locked. Twice. The forum got quiet, like E F Hutton walked in.

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01-18-2008, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by L-Pink

Last time this subject came up the thread was immediately locked. Twice. The forum got quiet, like E F Hutton walked in.

Nice post.

i missed it last time and I am unware of the drama on this one.

I am just the idiot messenger. If i get banned for posting it then so be it. I don't post rumors and I get a LOT of people emailing me stuff that they want public but dont want to post themselves. There is more then enough proof there to prove the connection between the two domains.

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01-18-2008, 09:24 PM

I thought WHOIS was dandy.

Personal info not publicly available was not.

Should You Email Your Members?

Link1 | Link2 | Link3

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01-18-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

I thought WHOIS was dandy.

Personal info not publicly available was not.

EVERYTHING i posted was from whois... copy and pasted matter fact, what are you saying ?

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01-18-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by will76

EVERYTHING i posted was from whois... copy and pasted matter fact, what are you saying ?

I'm saying you should not get in trouble chief.

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01-18-2008, 09:37 PM

I don't know, at a quick glance it looks like most of the clips are 2 to 3 minutes long, with links back to affiliate programs.

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01-18-2008, 09:40 PM

I see Brazzers replied to this before:

Originally posted by Brazzers

The Owners of Brazzers are myself and cheeks. We own and operate all Brazzers sites , Juggcash.com and brazbucks.com.

We have minor financial interests in a second company that runs and operates some tgps. On this Company, we are silent partners. We have a managing partner that runs the day-to-day, and makes all business decisions.

The managing partner of the Traffic company approached us to start a tube style site under Brazzers Traffic. We refused, given our position in the industry...owning such a site would be working agains our own interest. Thus a separate company was formed in which we have no financial interest, and that company operates pornhub.com .

For us, it would make no sense to own a site like that, the margins just dont justify the expense, and it would be 100% against the interests of our core business.

How do you explain when the domain pornhub went from Gary Kremen to the "new" owner Matt Keez [email protected] on 3-2-07 the same physical address that juggcash uses was used for pornhub's whois as well? You refussed to be involved but yet they used your physical address on the whois? During the same time frame web archive shows pornhub doing to test and what appears to be working on the site that is live today.

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01-18-2008, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

I'm saying you should not get in trouble chief.

ok, i didnt know what you were saying, thanks for clarifying. It's gfy i might still get banned for posting the truth, who knows which mod will get called in for a bro favor.

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01-18-2008, 09:47 PM

noone is gonna ban you man

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01-18-2008, 09:47 PM

Maybe I'm missing something here, but the videos I'm seeing on there are 2-3 minutes each and all have links under the vids to the paysites they came from. Isn't this acceptable to most sponsors?
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01-18-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Maybe I'm missing something here, but the videos I'm seeing on there are 2-3 minutes each and all have links under the vids to the paysites they came from. Isn't this acceptable to most sponsors?
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yah, they did that after someone on here outed who the actual owner was... after that they took off all the illegal stolen copyrighted stuff... which is good i guess...
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01-18-2008, 09:57 PM

lol... this is news?

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01-18-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Maybe I'm missing something here, but the videos I'm seeing on there are 2-3 minutes each and all have links under the vids to the paysites they came from. Isn't this acceptable to most sponsors?
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Hey if that is the case and they either are using sponsor's approved content or *real* homemade amateur content (no copyrighted stuff) more power to them. I was contacted by someone saying the sites are owned by the same people. I read a post a month ago where a lot of people said their stolen content was on pornhub. If they changed things then that is great, more power to them. I never said they had stolen content on their site today, just what i was told and what i read in a post from last month.

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01-18-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by quantum-x

lol... this is news?

why is this CNN.com ??? shit did i post on the wrong site again ???

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01-18-2008, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by will76

Hey if that is the case and they either are using sponsor's approved content or *real* homemade amateur content (no copyrighted stuff) more power to them. I was contacted by someone saying the sites are owned by the same people. I read a post a month ago where a lot of people said their stolen content was on pornhub. If they changed things then that is great, more power to them. I never said they had stolen content on their site today, just what i was told and what i read in a post from last month.

I just took a quick look on their homepage and a bit around and generally, I haven't seen any videos longer than 3:30 minutes and they all had links to the respective sponsors. Looks like they cleaned shop to me.
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01-18-2008, 10:14 PM

http://www.pornhub.com/main.php?acti...comments&id=23

This was when shit hit the fan.

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01-18-2008, 10:17 PM

I wonder though if there is still stuff going on behind the scenes though when you read this http://www.pornhub.com/main.php?acti...comments&id=27
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01-18-2008, 10:19 PM

Maybe madawgz pulled his shit.
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01-18-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by vanderweb

http://www.pornhub.com/main.php?acti...comments&id=23

This was when shit hit the fan.

I will quote that here to be fair to them:

We have made some drastic changes over the past week in order to make sure Pornhub can remain your favorite Porn Site! Effective immediately, user uploads will go through an approval process where only videos less than 3 minutes and that we are able to give credit to the author is possible, will be accepted. Pornhub wants to remain the number one free porn community on the net, and if we don't implement some content rules, then we can't ensure that this community will have a long future.

We've been forced to remove all copyright & amateur content and while this might seem terrible right now, it does ensure that PornHub will be around for a long time and continue to be the premier porn site on the net.

More details to follow, please be patient as we implement some new features! We're very confident that you'll like the new changes coming up.

We're sorry if these changes cause any inconvenience, but give us a few days and everything will be back to normal and even improved.

regards,
PornHub Team

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Well that answers my personal question which was in the title of this thread, (good or bad ? ) they are a good tube if they review uploads and no copyrighted content is on their site. congrats to them for listening to people and cleaning up the site.

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01-18-2008, 10:28 PM

damn it actually seems like they came to their senses ( or worried about a lawsuit )

kudos to them for actually doing something , dont know much about them other than a step forward is a step forward

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01-18-2008, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Maybe I'm missing something here, but the videos I'm seeing on there are 2-3 minutes each and all have links under the vids to the paysites they came from. Isn't this acceptable to most sponsors?
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The site cleaned up a lot after the threads on GFY linking the two companies. They originally had a shitload of stolen content on the site and tons of full length movies. I remember seeing full length Melissa Midwest videos on the homepage (10 minutes plus).
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01-18-2008, 10:30 PM

Well, give credit where credit is due (nice site btw)
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01-18-2008, 10:37 PM

Man... my sig belongs here!

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01-18-2008, 10:48 PM

Interesting.....

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01-19-2008, 04:02 AM

If you look at several tgp/mgps juggcash/brazzers own

asslisting.com
milfslist.com
its-huge.com
juggworld.com

they all have pornhub links on them



is commented out in the source

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01-19-2008, 09:05 AM

Axxo always has the clear movies!

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01-19-2008, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by will76

why is this CNN.com ??? shit did i post on the wrong site again ???

I had just figured that everyone knew this, 6 months ago ;)

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01-19-2008, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by pip

If you look at several tgp/mgps juggcash/brazzers own

asslisting.com
milfslist.com
its-huge.com
juggworld.com

they all have pornhub links on them



is commented out in the source

Dude half the internet embeds pornhub videos, that's how they built their traffic I know a lot of people I trade with use them for video hosting to save bandwidth costs.
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01-19-2008, 01:24 PM

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn.
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01-19-2008, 01:27 PM

every single major program and player in adult is running or planning on running tube and/or stolen content sites

I didn't think this was true until recently, then I was showed a LOT of info that changed my mind awfully quickly
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01-19-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Jace

every single major program and player in adult is running or planning on running tube and/or stolen content sites

I didn't think this was true until recently, then I was showed a LOT of info that changed my mind awfully quickly

i didn't want to be the one to say it, but sadly through the wire i am learning this to be very true.
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01-19-2008, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by A1R3K

i didn't want to be the one to say it, but sadly through the wire i am learning this to be very true.

in 5 years, that is where the primary money will be, and all avenues are shifting that way

the trick is though, to appear to the surfer like you are just a run of the mill stolen content site, when in reality you are not, you are luring them in....it is a hard trick to master, but people like xxxjay and others seem to be doing well at it
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01-19-2008, 02:28 PM

i know one major company (internet) that sends out DMCA and legal threats to ANY tube site.....and that is because they ONLY want their movies featured on their own tube site, which features full length movies and sends all traffic to AFF and shit like that
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01-19-2008, 02:32 PM

so that's the game now - create a tube site based on stolen content, build up massive traffic, get caught - then go legit.

in this industry of scoundrels you can get away with it and worse.

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01-19-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Mutt

so that's the game now - create a tube site based on stolen content, build up massive traffic, get caught - then go legit.

in this industry of scoundrels you can get away with it and worse.

it is the opposite for a lot of people, build up legit traffic, then when sales start to decline start tube and stolen content sites and advertise dating and cams

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01-19-2008, 02:43 PM

Brazzers? I would not be surprised. They are stuffing their content down the suerfers (and webmasters) asses.
Flooding the internet with content should be made illegal.

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01-19-2008, 06:02 PM

It looks like they try to be on the up and up
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01-19-2008, 06:37 PM

maybe they are on the up and up. I searched for Ivana Fukalot a few months ago there and now again and most of the vids are gone

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...7e0bd5b3143948

I am odd like that I like to get ref places to look back to see what is on the up and up

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01-19-2008, 06:58 PM

People don't realize how elite Brazzer is. I'd say he probably has more traffic than anyone on this board.

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01-19-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Mutt

so that's the game now - create a tube site based on stolen content, build up massive traffic, get caught - then go legit.

in this industry of scoundrels you can get away with it and worse.

Worked for YouTube.
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01-20-2008, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by SomeCreep

People don't realize how elite Brazzer is. I'd say he probably has more traffic than anyone on this board.

technically you'd say Keez has the big traffic
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01-20-2008, 04:17 AM

Kurt from Brazzers actually asked me for a hardlink trade for pornhub.com the other day...
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01-20-2008, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Mutt

so that's the game now - create a tube site based on stolen content, build up massive traffic, get caught - then go legit.

in this industry of scoundrels you can get away with it and worse.

Thats the way it's always been.. just replace the word 'tube' for pay, free, tgp.
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01-20-2008, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by vanderweb

http://www.pornhub.com/main.php?acti...comments&id=23

This was when shit hit the fan.

you've gotta love some of the comments on that page:

ana0m wrote
1 month ago
It certainly was one of the best porn video sites... but not anymore! I just don't get it - why must there always be someone to screw up the good things?! I'd really like to have the list of names/companies who are forcing you to close down the goodies. But since there are none (listed), guess I'll just have to boycott this site.
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I LIKED THIS SITE A LOT BUT NOW I DONT..MAIN REASON THT VIDEO LENGTH SHUT DOWN...

blah wrote
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Site sucks now! Lucky I was smart and downloaded all the good ones already ;-)

facuxxx wrote
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In my opinion, you have taken the essence of pornhub.. the length of the videos. It is one of the very few pornsites i've been that has 1 hour videos for free. That made it so special, the material was great. I'm afraid you are going to loose a lot of public.
It's a shame..

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01-20-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by will76

ok, i didnt know what you were saying, thanks for clarifying. It's gfy i might still get banned for posting the truth, who knows which mod will get called in for a bro favor.

Yes I came accross a couple of our vids on there, and was initially pissed off until I saw a nice big link back to our site. So no problems here they can use our vids any time in that case
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01-20-2008, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by fuckingfuck

you've gotta love some of the comments on that page:

ana0m wrote
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It certainly was one of the best porn video sites... but not anymore! I just don't get it - why must there always be someone to screw up the good things?! I'd really like to have the list of names/companies who are forcing you to close down the goodies. But since there are none (listed), guess I'll just have to boycott this site.
- just your standard disatisfied user -

remobabu wrote
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I LIKED THIS SITE A LOT BUT NOW I DONT..MAIN REASON THT VIDEO LENGTH SHUT DOWN...

blah wrote
1 month ago
Site sucks now! Lucky I was smart and downloaded all the good ones already ;-)

facuxxx wrote
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In my opinion, you have taken the essence of pornhub.. the length of the videos. It is one of the very few pornsites i've been that has 1 hour videos for free. That made it so special, the material was great. I'm afraid you are going to loose a lot of public.
It's a shame..

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