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  • TheAccountant
    So Fucking Banned
    • Dec 2005
    • 705
    #101
    Hi Justin, lets talk about some smart stuff instead of the same attacks.

    Case 1 - I'm a program owner and I want use xtube to promote my site(s). None other than me could moan about the length of movies and the number of them.

    Case 2 - I'm a webmaster allowed by paysite/program owner to submit their contents. I know program owners who love xtube.

    I suppose that it's better keeping accepting these two kinds of people instead of fake amateur accounts. And most of all you have to understand that

    watermarked video + banner = legal contents

    watermarked video without banner = illegal contents

    It seems that you've hit the wrong people :D

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      • PR_Sebas
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2006
        • 2825
        #102
        good to see this thread is still going... ive read through everything and everyone is making this guy from xtube look incredibly stupid

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          • tony299
            lurker
            • Aug 2002
            • 57021
            #103
            Originally posted by Paul Markham
            Maybe this is the real problem. so many surfers want to come and go and we built a model around him cumming and staying. Or paying as if he's going to stay.

            The balance between profit and loss on a Tube site, I imagine, is slim. Would we put them out of business if we sold movies for 50 cents a pop? OK vary the price and package to suit. Take out the buyers from the system and the Tubes might sink.

            You can't force surfers to buy.

            I think you like throwing out that 50 cents a pop.That sounds nice show us how that can make a profit if one is shooting new content a regular basis.

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              • Brad Mitchell
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2001
                • 9813
                #104
                Well, if you were Xtube wouldn't you just hire another full time employee and have them post approved sponsor content with your ref code instead of letting everone else have the revenue? Obviously tube sites need every last nickel......

                Brad
                President at MojoHost | brad at mojohost dot com | Skype MojoHostBrad
                71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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                  • pip
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 468
                    #105
                    Xtube still uses video content while placing banners to a sponsor that doesnt even own the content

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                      • Fluid
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 380
                        #106
                        Originally posted by Just_in_Support
                        Leaves door open tonight for the house. My wife hates it when she has to get the keys out of her purse.

                        Woke Up This Morning... Oh no. All my shit is gone.

                        Those fucking thieves took my shit and are now selling it at the swap meet.

                        Thats whos to blame. The Swap Meet.

                        You know what I'm gonna do to stop it, im gonna go to my bros house and complain that i got housejacked. Those goddamned swap meets!. No i wont call the police on the thieves. Go get the Swap Meets! Then complain like little bitches to my bros some more.

                        Customers - Don't Rob me Bro, I dont have DRM!!!

                        Lock your doors, you imbeciles.
                        Bad comparison. Technically the swap meet sellers are fences of stolen goods in that case, and yes, can be charged. I don't think that's exactly what tube sites do, it would be more like they are the guy that owns the swap meet and lets retailers have space.
                        Last edited by Fluid; 01-18-2008, 07:00 AM.

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                          • ~Ray
                            visit hardlinks.org
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 18361
                            #107
                            nevermind

                            fire that Just Support guy
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                              • chopstick
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 188
                                #108
                                Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                Obviously, this decision had something to do with Internext.
                                100% incorrect. This idea was on the table before - get your fingers going on your keyboard for the thread about it, here on GFY.

                                The AEE is where we were when I decided it was time to stop it 100%. Everyone agreed.

                                WM uploads pollute the content selection so by removing that we're removing the pro stuff there is only Amateur left.

                                Amateur is the focal point of XTube.
                                It has always been our policy to ban users who upload illegal content.

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                                  • Tom_PM
                                    Porn Meister
                                    • Feb 2005
                                    • 16443
                                    #109
                                    Why not prosecute them too?
                                    43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                      • chopstick
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2002
                                        • 188
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                        Have you ever created anything to have it used without your permission for someone to make money with? If you ever created anything you would understand.
                                        I created XTube and then a whole bunch of copycats showed up and stole my traffic.

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                                          • tony299
                                            lurker
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 57021
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by chopstick
                                            100% incorrect. This idea was on the table before - get your fingers going on your keyboard for the thread about it, here on GFY.

                                            The AEE is where we were when I decided it was time to stop it 100%. Everyone agreed.

                                            WM uploads pollute the content selection so by removing that we're removing the pro stuff there is only Amateur left.

                                            Amateur is the focal point of XTube.
                                            It has always been our policy to ban users who upload illegal content.
                                            But then you will have very little content

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                                              • chopstick
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Dec 2002
                                                • 188
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by Just_in_Support
                                                Ben, we both know you didnt answer the question. I put this clearly. I said DRM. You said I'm an Idiot. I found a full length porn scene stolen that could have been prevented by DRM.

                                                The plain question is, Ben:
                                                Do you need DRM.
                                                If you say no, then who's really niave.
                                                i dont have to justify theft of any kind, because the staff here at XTube do not promote it. If you guys have DRM, it would make our lives a whole lot simpler.
                                                Justin, you're digging so fucking far down you will fuck up business relations with XTube so badly it will be permanent. I spent a fucking lot of time trying to appease people and I am not going to let you fucking trash it right after I leave. Smarten the fuck up - stop fighting with people. It makes you look the fool and you're shitting on XTube.

                                                Use facts or stay the fuck out of GFY - this place is a giant pissing match and you're losing!

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                                                  • chopstick
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                    • 188
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                    DRm turns off members, so what to do then?
                                                    Change scares people, but change is necessary - porn knows this and for a long time porn was the leader in change. Suddenly porn is not the leader and people are sitting on their hands.

                                                    If DRM scares off users, but everyone was doing it, then they would adapt as required. But, in light of Apple throwing DRM out, it is time for new thinking, but the point remains the same - change is coming and people adapt to it.

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                                                      • chopstick
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                        • 188
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by fuckingfuck
                                                        WOW you're such a liar.

                                                        I checked this link when it was posted 5 mins ago and I could watch it:
                                                        http://video.xtube.com/watch.php?cv=...cl=yu6WxERCOO-

                                                        You removed it now but try to fool us like as if you removed it a week ago.

                                                        Big time liar.
                                                        You reported it and the report somehow went unnoticed. There are several ways to report it. I know that Justin pasted text from the admin area which showed a user did report it. The problem is not that the report when unnoticed, but rather the synchronization across all servers (more than a hundred). The fact that no one responded to your DMCA notification is poor on the part of Justin.

                                                        Justin, you're good at coming here and throwing stats around, but you should be spending your time in the actual business of XTube, which includes DMCA reports as a priority. How the fuck do you forget that only a month after I am gone? I fucking feel like coming back just to clean up the mess!

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                                                          • chopstick
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                            • 188
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by dig420
                                                            Eventually the govt. itself will get the tube sites, and some people will get locked up. Maybe JIP. They won't allow copyright violations to go unchecked indefinitely, too many big boys in the straight world don't like that business model.
                                                            I think that the Tubes are watching google vs viacom very closely before decisions are made on that one.

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                                                              • Matt 26z
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Apr 2002
                                                                • 18481
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by Fluid
                                                                Bad comparison. Technically the swap meet sellers are fences of stolen goods in that case, and yes, can be charged. I don't think that's exactly what tube sites do, it would be more like they are the guy that owns the swap meet and lets retailers have space.
                                                                I look at it more like this...

                                                                When you blame user controlled tube sites you are blaming Ford and Budweiser, but not the drunk guy who actually drove the car.

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                                                                  • chopstick
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                    • 188
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by Zorgman
                                                                    This is exactly why TEVS doesn't allow updates. Fucken surfer upload full length movies and then BAD (yes you Xtube) webmasters accept it without even thinking twice.

                                                                    I would be happy to see you turn off all submission by everyone and just update the site yourself with your own content that you buy. That way you are the only one that could be blamed if using stolen content. But I dought that would even happen.
                                                                    That would work for PornoTube where there is no focus on amateur content. The focus of XTube is the amateurs. Would you have us telemarket homes asking them for home made porn for use on XTube? Uhm, no.

                                                                    The objective of the removal of WM content is to remove pro content from the site, and make only legit pro content available for sale as DVDs. This was already stated. XTube is refining it's content selection and availability and at the same time protecting copyrights. This is a good move, and no one wants to see that. Let it happen and you will see. XTube is upset about content theft and always has been, just like you all.

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                                                                      • Tom_PM
                                                                        Porn Meister
                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                        • 16443
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Thats why, if you have uploaders check a notice stating that they own the rights to distribute the content (see cnn's "ireport" upload section for a sample), you can go after them if you find that they've done so. Not just ban their IP.
                                                                        43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                          • chopstick
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                            • 188
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                            Maybe this is the real problem. so many surfers want to come and go and we built a model around him cumming and staying. Or paying as if he's going to stay.

                                                                            The balance between profit and loss on a Tube site, I imagine, is slim. Would we put them out of business if we sold movies for 50 cents a pop? OK vary the price and package to suit. Take out the buyers from the system and the Tubes might sink.

                                                                            You can't force surfers to buy.
                                                                            Surfers will never buy when there is free shit out there.
                                                                            The paysite model is a bad model because it is an ongoing cost for a sporadically used product. A user can sign up and download the entire site in the first few days, then cancel, then beat off endlessly, and only paid a small amount.

                                                                            What XTube does is it enables anyone in the world to upload their own home-made porn (this is the objective) for free. It can be viewed for free and if so chosen the user can sell it too and earn a profit. That caters really really well to the reality tv theme that is so popular lately and people just keep coming back for more and more.

                                                                            Obviously therein lies the potential for upping illegal shit. Since day one I have planned around protecting rights and it is a big job, but I still worked on it all the time. You guys get so aggressive about it and accuse me/XTube of not even trying, or of intentionally taking it when that is so far from the truth that OF COURSE we come on here bitter about it.

                                                                            We're trying, just understand that.

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                                                                              • L-Pink
                                                                                working on my tan
                                                                                • Mar 2005
                                                                                • 39151
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                                                                I look at it more like this...

                                                                                When you blame user controlled tube sites you are blaming Ford and Budweiser, but not the drunk guy who actually drove the car.
                                                                                Except Ford and Budweiser didn't design their products so people can drive drunk. Tube sites facilitate copyright theft.

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                                                                                  • chopstick
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                                    • 188
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Originally posted by simons
                                                                                    Hi Justin, lets talk about some smart stuff instead of the same attacks.

                                                                                    Case 1 - I'm a program owner and I want use xtube to promote my site(s). None other than me could moan about the length of movies and the number of them.

                                                                                    Case 2 - I'm a webmaster allowed by paysite/program owner to submit their contents. I know program owners who love xtube.
                                                                                    Case 1 - Program owners are acceptable with linking codes that credit XTube.

                                                                                    Case 2 - Not accepted*.

                                                                                    *XTube is taking control over it's outbound traffic. The BW is expensive and XTube is going to recoup that cost via partnerships only. Free content will be exclusively home-made with no outbound links.

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                                                                                      • chopstick
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                                        • 188
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                        But then you will have very little content
                                                                                        Not true. There will certainly be a loss of content, but it is content users complain about, and there is more home-made content than pro/stolen content.

                                                                                        Users who want stolen shit can freely go, we don't want them as they're the ones who up it too. The community will adapt. XTube more complex than a basic tube - there is a whole community to it too.

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                                                                                          • <><
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                                                            • 262
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                            Justin, you're digging so fucking far down you will fuck up business relations with XTube so badly it will be permanent. I spent a fucking lot of time trying to appease people and I am not going to let you fucking trash it right after I leave. Smarten the fuck up - stop fighting with people. It makes you look the fool and you're shitting on XTube.

                                                                                            Use facts or stay the fuck out of GFY - this place is a giant pissing match and you're losing!



                                                                                            time for a new $10 per hour marketing person.


                                                                                            you're so full of shit. if you didn't want the pro shit on there, it would be gone. oh btw, when you do think about going in and removing cough cough "monitoring" your network for pro stuff, keep in mind, that shows that you do in fact monitor your network


                                                                                            bwahahahaha.
                                                                                            Last edited by <><; 01-18-2008, 08:36 AM.
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                                                                                            I like my little fishes.

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                                                                                              • Manowar
                                                                                                jellyfish  
                                                                                                • Dec 2003
                                                                                                • 71528
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Very interesting to see if other tube sites with follow

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                                                                                                  • chopstick
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                                                    • 188
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                                    Thats why, if you have uploaders check a notice stating that they own the rights to distribute the content (see cnn's "ireport" upload section for a sample), you can go after them if you find that they've done so. Not just ban their IP.
                                                                                                    This has been a standard feature for a long time. The challenge is following up with the user. We have an email and an IP, at minimum, both of which can be hard to work with for obvious reasons.

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                                                                                                      • tony299
                                                                                                        lurker
                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                        • 57021
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                        Not true. There will certainly be a loss of content, but it is content users complain about, and there is more home-made content than pro/stolen content.

                                                                                                        Users who want stolen shit can freely go, we don't want them as they're the ones who up it too. The community will adapt. XTube more complex than a basic tube - p for kicksthere is a whole community to it too.
                                                                                                        Ive been shooting porn for almost 8 yrs talk to lots and lots of people. There is very very little true amateur lets put it for kicks not profit porn in the world.

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                                                                                                          • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                                            • 51692
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Just_in_Support I advice you to stay off the boards. Not only are you stealing (you're the one putting it up online) the content from webmasters, but you are insulting them.

                                                                                                            You are directly costing a lot of people in this business money. And a lot of people that don't have much ethics... just like you.

                                                                                                            It dosen't cost much to get rid of a problem... don't push too many people's button.

                                                                                                            (this is in no way a threat, but just an advice)
                                                                                                            Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                            I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                              • JimmiDean
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                • 3433
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                With people like Just_in_Support I cant believe their rep got punched at Internext.
                                                                                                                My God there's Porn on here!

                                                                                                                Still on the Beach !!!

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                                                                                                                  • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                    • 51692
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by JimmiDean
                                                                                                                    With people like Just_in_Support I cant believe their rep got punched at Internext.


                                                                                                                    Profiting from other's people hard work and investement (stolen content), insulting them and putting it on them.

                                                                                                                    Bottom line is that Xtube is mass distributing copyrighted material.
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                    I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                                      • sortie
                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                        • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                        • 7771
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        I know stolen content when I see it.
                                                                                                                        I think everybody does.

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                                                                                                                          • PR_Sebas
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                            • 2825
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            better get crackin' on removing that user uploaded full length stolen copyrighted content..

                                                                                                                            http://pcdnv4.xtube.com/watch_video....cl=XWhmbjXbSM_

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                                                                                                                              • xxxjay
                                                                                                                                Tube groupie.
                                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                • 13482
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Just_in_Support
                                                                                                                                Actually I would like to have a discussion about the program owners. How does all this stolen content get....well.... stolen? Maybe 100 gig member sections with no DRM. Yeah its our fault you left your doors open to your own customers. Not like we sent them there
                                                                                                                                DRM doesn't work you fucking idiot. I want to hit you too!
                                                                                                                                Last edited by xxxjay; 01-18-2008, 12:26 PM.
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                                                                                                                                  • Juicy D. Links
                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 122992
                                                                                                                                    #133

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                                                                                                                                      • halfpint
                                                                                                                                        GFY's Halfpint
                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2007
                                                                                                                                        • 15223
                                                                                                                                        #134
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                                                                                                                                          • V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                            Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 32451
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by <><
                                                                                                                                            you guys, this guy is just another throw away. xtube threw him in here to get chewed up by the lions. his knowledge on this business is less than someone like jtf or scottybuzz. he doesn't know the "traffics" game (lol) any better than a newbie wm with a wordpress blog and a "seo for champs" software toolkit. don't waste your time on him.
                                                                                                                                            Don't talk about me as if I am not here.

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                                                                                                                                              • BFT3K
                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                • 10764
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                I created XTube and then a whole bunch of copycats showed up and stole my traffic.
                                                                                                                                                Tube sites popping up and stealing the traffic from other tube sites?

                                                                                                                                                Awesome! Can you say IRONY?

                                                                                                                                                "Hey, my traffic from stolen content idea is getting ripped off!"

                                                                                                                                                Classic!

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                                                                                                                                                  • StarkReality
                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                    • 4444
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                    WM uploads pollute the content selection so by removing that we're removing the pro stuff there is only Amateur left.
                                                                                                                                                    Ah, so WEBMASTERS uploading are POLLUTING your site ? That's a nice quote to remember !

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                                                                                                                                                      • NosMo
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                                                        • 1025
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                        Justin, you're digging so fucking far down you will fuck up business relations with XTube so badly it will be permanent. I spent a fucking lot of time trying to appease people and I am not going to let you fucking trash it right after I leave. Smarten the fuck up - stop fighting with people. It makes you look the fool and you're shitting on XTube.

                                                                                                                                                        Use facts or stay the fuck out of GFY - this place is a giant pissing match and you're losing!


                                                                                                                                                        NosMo

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                                                                                                                                                          • seeric
                                                                                                                                                            ..........
                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                            • 41917
                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            affiliate relations 101


                                                                                                                                                            class is in session.

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                                                                                                                                                              • Mark_E4A
                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                • 1514
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                just out of curiousity, how do you plan on monitoring content stolen from "AMATEUR" paysites.

                                                                                                                                                                Not everyone runs "PRO" style paysites.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Dirty D
                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 4044
                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    Kurtis...

                                                                                                                                                                    It was great to meet you at Internext and discuss Xtube like true gentlemen.

                                                                                                                                                                    However, this guy Just_In_Support is not representing Xtube very well.
                                                                                                                                                                    He apparently thinks he knows more than all of us.
                                                                                                                                                                    DRM sucks, everyone knows it.
                                                                                                                                                                    Just because we don't use DRM doesn't mean it is ok to be a fence for stolen content.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                                        I think you like throwing out that 50 cents a pop.That sounds nice show us how that can make a profit if one is shooting new content a regular basis.
                                                                                                                                                                        I doubt if you can make a profit on it shooting new content. but who said you need to shoot new content? Seems to me there is more than enough content floating around and legal to make it work. I have 900 videos and 300 in the archives never seen on the net.

                                                                                                                                                                        I can't get a new EE girl to do hardcore or shoot a BangBus scene, but a scene like 90% of what is out there, no need to shoot it.

                                                                                                                                                                        The big question is this.

                                                                                                                                                                        Will eliminating piracy solve the problem with Tube sites?

                                                                                                                                                                        IMHO

                                                                                                                                                                        No because they will simply buy content, I have one chasing me at the moment for a price. do I sell to them or not? What will they pay? How will it effect my business? How many other content producers have been approached and sitting on content?

                                                                                                                                                                        No the industry has driven down the quality and price of content to a level they it does no matter to many surfers and the Tube sites can afford to buy it. What if Xtube decide to buy my library for $20,000 or $50,000.

                                                                                                                                                                        The industry does not buy from us, maybe we could sell to them!!!

                                                                                                                                                                        Plus all the sites closing down. I hear all the time that a buyer should be able to resell content with the company or domain. What if the buyer is a Tube site?

                                                                                                                                                                        The real issue for affiliates and sponsors is not stolen content, it's lost sign ups.



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                                                                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                                            That would work for PornoTube where there is no focus on amateur content. The focus of XTube is the amateurs. Would you have us telemarket homes asking them for home made porn for use on XTube? Uhm, no.

                                                                                                                                                                            The objective of the removal of WM content is to remove pro content from the site, and make only legit pro content available for sale as DVDs. This was already stated. XTube is refining it's content selection and availability and at the same time protecting copyrights. This is a good move, and no one wants to see that. Let it happen and you will see. XTube is upset about content theft and always has been, just like you all.
                                                                                                                                                                            So use amateur content you give away for free to sell professional DVDs?

                                                                                                                                                                            How long have you been doing this?



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                                                                                                                                                                              • pocketkangaroo
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                                                Amateur is the focal point of XTube.
                                                                                                                                                                                It has always been our policy to ban users who upload illegal content.
                                                                                                                                                                                Really? Then why create a channel for Anime? Do you really get a lot of homemade anime porn submissions?

                                                                                                                                                                                Almost all the top watched movies on the site were commercial oriented. Many stolen content, others clips from sites. It's hard to believe the focal point of the site was to cater toward the videos that aren't popular on XTube. Now the videos I see being added since the webmaster ban is a lot of dudes jerking off on cam. Do you not think this will hurt the site?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • pocketkangaroo
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                                                    Not true. There will certainly be a loss of content, but it is content users complain about, and there is more home-made content than pro/stolen content.
                                                                                                                                                                                    The pro/stolen content is what fills your top rated and most viewed lists. As of a few weeks ago, almost every video in those sections was stolen videos from members areas. Very little amateur/homemade content.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                                                    Users who want stolen shit can freely go, we don't want them as they're the ones who up it too. The community will adapt. XTube more complex than a basic tube - there is a whole community to it too.
                                                                                                                                                                                    People didn't come to XTube to watch a guy jerk off on his homemade cam. They came for the shitload of stolen content and free professional videos. Sure it may adapt, and sure this might have been the plan all along. But it seems to me Xtube used the stolen content to build up its traffic and pulled the plug before the shit hit the fan.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                                                        Surfers will never buy when there is free shit out there.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Absolute bullshit. What you should say is many people will not be able to pay an inflated price for a product and service that is not worth it.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                                                        The paysite model is a bad model because it is an ongoing cost for a sporadically used product. A user can sign up and download the entire site in the first few days, then cancel, then beat off endlessly, and only paid a small amount.
                                                                                                                                                                                        It's a great model, we made it a bad model. Why we made it bad and how we make it good is the question.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                                                        What XTube does is it enables anyone in the world to upload their own home-made porn (this is the objective) for free. It can be viewed for free and if so chosen the user can sell it too and earn a profit. That caters really really well to the reality tv theme that is so popular lately and people just keep coming back for more and more.
                                                                                                                                                                                        How do you know it's user generated if you don't monitor it? How do you know it's not underage performers if you don't monitor it? How do you stop someone suing you for putting up content they do not own, all be it amateur, if you don't monitor it?


                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by chopstick
                                                                                                                                                                                        Obviously therein lies the potential for upping illegal shit. Since day one I have planned around protecting rights and it is a big job, but I still worked on it all the time. You guys get so aggressive about it and accuse me/XTube of not even trying, or of intentionally taking it when that is so far from the truth that OF COURSE we come on here bitter about it.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Anyone can bring you down in days. Film a 16 year old, made up to look like a 21 year old and put it up. Legal to do that in some countries, illegal to pay her or get a model release. Then inform the police in your town you are a child pornographer. I would not do it, but sure some guy in Russia would for a $100. Why bother with a DOS attack?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by <><
                                                                                                                                                                                        you're so full of shit. if you didn't want the pro shit on there, it would be gone. oh btw, when you do think about going in and removing cough cough "monitoring" your network for pro stuff, keep in mind, that shows that you do in fact monitor your network.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Stop talking common sense while others are trying to talk BS!!

                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                                                        Ive been shooting porn for almost 8 yrs talk to lots and lots of people. There is very very little true amateur lets put it for kicks not profit porn in the world.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Stop talking common sense while others are trying to talk BS!! That goes for you as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Putting your business into the hands of anyone who decides to upload and what ever they choose plus relying on amateurs to keep supplying content is about the dumbest move ever.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Mark_E4A
                                                                                                                                                                                        just out of curiousity, how do you plan on monitoring content stolen from "AMATEUR" paysites.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Not everyone runs "PRO" style paysites.
                                                                                                                                                                                        That goes for you as well.



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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            Open invitation to Tube sites.

                                                                                                                                                                                            If you want to run a site showing porn. Then follow my signature and make me an offer I can't refuse. There are many other content providers who will do the same. The offer needs to be worth it.

                                                                                                                                                                                            If you say surfers will not pay for what we produce you are full of shit. Paysites exist where people do pay for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                            If you say you would not get the traffic numbers and think the only way you can get the traffic is off the back of people spending money to produce the content. Then fuck you buy the license off the producers. Don't fucking steal or allow others to steal and PROFIT FROM THEM.

                                                                                                                                                                                            If you can't afford to buy then fuck off and start submitting galleries like others who can't afford to open paysites.

                                                                                                                                                                                            You can on the other hand contact me about having free samples watermarked with my link underneath the video.



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                                                                                                                                                                                              • KrisKross
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Just_in_Support
                                                                                                                                                                                                Actually I would like to have a discussion about the program owners. How does all this stolen content get....well.... stolen? Maybe 100 gig member sections with no DRM. Yeah its our fault you left your doors open to your own customers. Not like we sent them there
                                                                                                                                                                                                While you're right that content should be protected by DRM, it doesn't justify the content theft. And regardless of the DRM used, someone will crack it and redistribute. That's easily evidenced by the content on your site that was once upon a time protected by DRM.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Just_in_Support
                                                                                                                                                                                                Shawn Fanning - Napster Creator... Where is he now
                                                                                                                                                                                                In 2003, Fanning opened a new company, SNOCAP, along with Jordan Mendelson and Ron Conway. The company aims to be a legitimate marketplace for digital media. In December 2006, Fanning developed Rupture, a social networking tool designed to handle the task of publishing gamers' individual profiles to a communal space and facilitating communication between World of Warcraft players.

                                                                                                                                                                                                @dig420 kinda hurts when your own insults make you dig yourself into a hole
                                                                                                                                                                                                SNOCAP fired over half it's staff late last year and has yet to accomplish anything significant. Rupture has been in beta for a year and has also yet to accomplish anything significant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    The solution to the problem came to me while I was driving. I can think clearer then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Xtube want traffic to upsell to the DVDs and get advertising revenue from Webcam and dating sites. They don't want to be sued so cut of the webmasters and the amateur content is not going to get upsells to pro DVDs very well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    So why not put up full scenes from the DVDs?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Instant solution, they keep getting traffic to their full scenes, they know it's legal and it's better than content in the wrong niche.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Anyone see a problem with my idea?



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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • grumpy
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by dig420
                                                                                                                                                                                                        wow, we're all gonna be feeling really sorry for you when the papers get served on your ass lol... ever heard of Napster? I'm pretty sure that guy is serving up supersize fries right about now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        actually he collects porches now. Sold his knowledge big time
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