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  • tony299
    lurker
    • Aug 2002
    • 57021
    #51
    Originally posted by Phoenix
    50 people who weren't there...but still manage to complain the loudest

    adapt or die..it is business
    This adapt or die bullshit makes me fucking crazy. The business model is based on stolen content. Just maybe if the short sighted ones didnt run to put ads on these things they wouldnt have grown to where they are now because they would of made no money. Im convinced its easy to say adapt or die when its not your content being given away.
    When governments start banning porn online because of the runaway tube sites maybe lars will start a fund for all the bros out of work.

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      • stickyfingerz
        Doin fine
        • Oct 2005
        • 24984
        #52
        Ill say it again. New content delivery methods for paysites to reduce the ease in which videos can be grabbed. Netflix, Vongo, Itunes etc ALL do it. Why is mainstream out evolving us? Stop crying about spilled milk and figure out a new way to get it into the glass more safely.

        (enter the cant stop the theft people that prefer to cry about it post theft)

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          • Phoenix
            BACON BACON BACON
            • Nov 2002
            • 35475
            #53
            Originally posted by tony404
            This adapt or die bullshit makes me fucking crazy. The business model is based on stolen content. Just maybe if the short sighted ones didnt run to put ads on these things they wouldnt have grown to where they are now because they would of made no money. Im convinced its easy to say adapt or die when its not your content being given away.
            When governments start banning porn online because of the runaway tube sites maybe lars will start a fund for all the bros out of work.
            theft is theft

            but complaining about sites that can bring more info on the customers and bring many sales is crazy.

            if someone is just stealing content and running up a huge BW bill..then it wont be long until they are gone anyway....used properly the tube multi-level marketing system can bring big money for both content producers and site owner


            anyway..ive posted too much today...so back to work for me
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              • tony299
                lurker
                • Aug 2002
                • 57021
                #54
                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                Ill say it again. New content delivery methods for paysites to reduce the ease in which videos can be grabbed. Netflix, Vongo, Itunes etc ALL do it. Why is mainstream out evolving us? Stop crying about spilled milk and figure out a new way to get it into the glass more safely.

                (enter the cant stop the theft people that prefer to cry about it post theft)
                I will tell you why because those models you are speaking about are relatively new, we are not new. Once a member is used to being able to download a whole site for his membership. Your going to have a very hard time changing that type of thinking.

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                  • seeric
                    ..........
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 41917
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Phoenix
                    50 people who weren't there...but still manage to complain the loudest

                    adapt or die..it is business
                    jesus you're fucking annoying sometimes.

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                      • tony299
                        lurker
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 57021
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Phoenix
                        theft is theft

                        but complaining about sites that can bring more info on the customers and bring many sales is crazy.

                        if someone is just stealing content and running up a huge BW bill..then it wont be long until they are gone anyway....used properly the tube multi-level marketing system can bring big money for both content producers and site owner


                        anyway..ive posted too much today...so back to work for me
                        I cant see that to tell you the truth. People now see tube as equaling free, these arent buyers. I assume please correct me if im wrong, tgp were always 15-20 pics a gallery.So its not like they started at 300 pics a gallery then went to 15 and the viewer now understood I have to buy a membership.
                        If someone wants to do a tube with all licensed content or shoot it all and give it all the fuck away more power to them. Its their party, its people making money on the backs of others is what annoys me.

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                          • stickyfingerz
                            Doin fine
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 24984
                            #57
                            Originally posted by tony404
                            I will tell you why because those models you are speaking about are relatively new, we are not new. Once a member is used to being able to download a whole site for his membership. Your going to have a very hard time changing that type of thinking.
                            Yup just continue to allow all the new content to be stolen too. Makes sense to me.

                            "Well gee Vern we aints never had no locks on dem jewlery cabnets before. I know we been robbed 12 times this month, but I's think it mights fend sum of da custmers if we go ans lock up da jewlery from now on. Might make em think we dont trus em.. :

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                              • tony299
                                lurker
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 57021
                                #58
                                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                Yup just continue to allow all the new content to be stolen too. Makes sense to me.

                                "Well gee Vern we aints never had no locks on dem jewlery cabnets before. I know we been robbed 12 times this month, but I's think it mights fend sum of da custmers if we go ans lock up da jewlery from now on. Might make em think we dont trus em.. :
                                Sticky I like you very much but on this its better you just shut up. Makes you look smarter.

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                                  • seeric
                                    ..........
                                    • Aug 2004
                                    • 41917
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                    Yup just continue to allow all the new content to be stolen too. Makes sense to me.

                                    "Well gee Vern we aints never had no locks on dem jewlery cabnets before. I know we been robbed 12 times this month, but I's think it mights fend sum of da custmers if we go ans lock up da jewlery from now on. Might make em think we dont trus em.. :
                                    you are yet to understand paysites.

                                    wait till you've been running a program for a few years and tell me if you still feel the same.

                                    there's a lot you still don't know ryan.

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                                      • stickyfingerz
                                        Doin fine
                                        • Oct 2005
                                        • 24984
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                        Sticky I like you very much but on this its better you just shut up. Makes you look smarter.
                                        No sorry on this Tony. If the standard approach to content delivery has left everyones content to end up on tube sites and torrents the status quo isnt fucking working. Unless you like herding cats that is. Cause trying to stop people that dont give a shit about laws and copyright isnt the best plan once your content is out the door. But you know if people really enjoy giving away ALL their content for less than 30.00 and what 2.95 for some sites, then have at it.

                                        There is a reason that movies that you rent from Vongo and other online rental places have an expiration. Why should a surfer get to keep all your content for 1 monthly fee? The reason people did that is they didnt have any system setup originally to limit the videos from being viewed after a certain time frame.

                                        Hey what do I know though. There are forward thinking people and backward thinking people. That is the major obstacle here I think.

                                        Not saying I have a final solution either, but my point is the industry would be much better off to get its "leaders" to focus on how to protect content from theft rather than how to "herd cats"

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                                          • stickyfingerz
                                            Doin fine
                                            • Oct 2005
                                            • 24984
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by A1R3K
                                            you are yet to understand paysites.

                                            wait till you've been running a program for a few years and tell me if you still feel the same.

                                            there's a lot you still don't know ryan.

                                            Well Ill just keep my thoughts to myself. No need to contribute them when they aren't wanted I guess...

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                                              • seeric
                                                ..........
                                                • Aug 2004
                                                • 41917
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                Well Ill just keep my thoughts to myself. No need to contribute them when they aren't wanted I guess...
                                                its not that anything isn't wanted, you just don't have the experience to understand it all from a paysite perspective. no one is dissing you.

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                                                  • stickyfingerz
                                                    Doin fine
                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                    • 24984
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                    its not that anything isn't wanted, you just don't have the experience to understand it all from a paysite perspective. no one is dissing you.
                                                    Yes which can be a better thing at times. Outside the box and all that. If someone developed a better mousetrap and gave it away at a super low price would people use it? Consumers are becoming more and more use to tube type sites. So what makes you think that all consumers ONLY want downloadable clips at this point? Again my opinion isnt any good cause apparently you have to have run paysites for 80 years in order to observe what is going on in a situation and suggest alternative solutions.. Either way. Im out of the discussion.

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                                                      • TheDoc
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 13827
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                        Why can't the leaders of this industry look at people who are doing this shit for the criminals they are?
                                                        Exactly, criminals, ... emailing non-opt in ex members and/or advertising on next to ripped content. It's never a problem for the people making money from it, they never see anything wrong with it. Done with that now



                                                        Who are the Industry leaders?
                                                        ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                        It's all disambiguation

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                                                          • stickyfingerz
                                                            Doin fine
                                                            • Oct 2005
                                                            • 24984
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Bjorn
                                                            stickyfingerz...the broke gfy village idiot spreads his wisdom again...
                                                            Typical, and responses like the previous ones, and this one are why things dont get fixed just cried about. Enjoy. Ive got work to do..

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                                                              • madfuck
                                                                Registered User
                                                                • Oct 2004
                                                                • 2032
                                                                #66
                                                                i didnt go "( sorry

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                                                                  • notoldschool
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Aug 2007
                                                                    • 5687
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                    50 people who weren't there...but still manage to complain the loudest

                                                                    adapt or die..it is business
                                                                    Fuck you and your shitty 1980s paysite tour. If you had a product worth a shit you wouldnt post such idiotic shit.
                                                                    No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
                                                                    -- Learned Hand

                                                                    http://www.bjpenn.com

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                                                                      • seeric
                                                                        ..........
                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                        • 41917
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                        Yes which can be a better thing at times. Outside the box and all that. If someone developed a better mousetrap and gave it away at a super low price would people use it? Consumers are becoming more and more use to tube type sites. So what makes you think that all consumers ONLY want downloadable clips at this point? Again my opinion isnt any good cause apparently you have to have run paysites for 80 years in order to observe what is going on in a situation and suggest alternative solutions.. Either way. Im out of the discussion.
                                                                        no. you're taking offense and getting your feelings hurt. you've had a paysite program for maybe two weeks. let me tell you, you have a lot to learn and experience. now stop being juvenile and discuss this with us. i can guarantee you that you will not think the same in a few years that you do now. guaranteed.

                                                                        i am sick of people talking about evolution and adapting. ITS FUCKING HAPPENING ON ALL FRONTS INCLUDING EVERYTHING WE ARE FINISHING NOW FOR SHANE'S WORLD ONLINE. and i know many of the big programs and they are all up to innovative things moving forward. we aren't morons, we're pissed that cocksuckers steal. plain and simple. tube sites are not the devils tool to kill the industry.

                                                                        if i hear one more person say "adapt" i'm gonna puke in a box and mail it to them.

                                                                        Last edited by seeric; 01-16-2008, 02:21 PM.

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                                                                          • tony299
                                                                            lurker
                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 57021
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                            no. you're taking offense and getting your feelings hurt. you've had a paysite program for maybe two weeks. let me tell you, you have a lot to learn and experience. now stop being juvenile and discuss this with us. i can guarantee you that you will not think the same in a few years that you do now. guaranteed.

                                                                            i am sick of people talking about evolution and adapting. ITS FUCKING HAPPENING ON ALL FRONTS INCLUDING EVERYTHING WE ARE FINISHING NOW FOR SHANE'S WORLD ONLINE. and i know many of the big programs and they are all up to innovative things moving forward. we aren't morons, we're pissed that cocksuckers steal. plain and simple. tube sites are not the devils tool to kill the industry.

                                                                            if i hear one more person say "adapt" i'm gonna puke in a box and mail it to them.

                                                                            I will pay the postage. lol

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                                                                              • stickyfingerz
                                                                                Doin fine
                                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                                • 24984
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                no. you're taking offense and getting your feelings hurt. you've had a paysite program for maybe two weeks. let me tell you, you have a lot to learn and experience. now stop being juvenile and discuss this with us. i can guarantee you that you will not think the same in a few years that you do now. guaranteed.

                                                                                i am sick of people talking about evolution and adapting. ITS FUCKING HAPPENING ON ALL FRONTS INCLUDING EVERYTHING WE ARE FINISHING NOW FOR SHANE'S WORLD ONLINE. and i know many of the big programs and they are all up to innovative things moving forward. we aren't morons, we're pissed that cocksuckers steal. plain and simple. tube sites are not the devils tool to kill the industry.

                                                                                if i hear one more person say "adapt" i'm gonna puke in a box and mail it to them.

                                                                                Actually we've been pushing our own traffic to our sites for over 8 months now, we just opened it to the public beta in the last 3 months, and now non beta the last 2 or 3 weeks. Anywho.

                                                                                My point is if you leave your doors unlocked you will get your shit stolen more than likely. Im not saying its ok or anything. Im saying it needs to be looked at differently cause what is being done isnt working. There are a lot of mainstream models out there that are doing fine and the consumers dont demand that the movies they pay to view be theirs for life for 1 monthly fee. Again Im letting myself get drug back in, thats mostly to just clarify to you my feelings though. Me and you have always been cool and I dont want to jeopardize that over a thread.

                                                                                Just maybe beside the push to punish people who stole, maybe we should be looking at new innovations to stop the theft. Thats all.

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                                                                                  • stickyfingerz
                                                                                    Doin fine
                                                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                                                    • 24984
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Bjorn
                                                                                    ......you blame the shop owner and not the thief...really pearls of wisdom right there... btw , i DONT have work to do....dont need to anymore...dont worry , keep working and u might be there someday...u MIGHT...
                                                                                    Ya and if you leave your keys in your car some insurance companies wont pay it off after its stolen due to stupidity. Good for you that you are set without having to work now. Props. Think that is most peoples goal.

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                                                                                      • seeric
                                                                                        ..........
                                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                                        • 41917
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                        Actually we've been pushing our own traffic to our sites for over 8 months now, we just opened it to the public beta in the last 3 months, and now non beta the last 2 or 3 weeks. Anywho.

                                                                                        My point is if you leave your doors unlocked you will get your shit stolen more than likely. Im not saying its ok or anything. Im saying it needs to be looked at differently cause what is being done isnt working. There are a lot of mainstream models out there that are doing fine and the consumers dont demand that the movies they pay to view be theirs for life for 1 monthly fee. Again Im letting myself get drug back in, thats mostly to just clarify to you my feelings though. Me and you have always been cool and I dont want to jeopardize that over a thread.

                                                                                        Just maybe beside the push to punish people who stole, maybe we should be looking at new innovations to stop the theft. Thats all.

                                                                                        i'm not shallow or a child to lose relationships over a board, but i am a debater by nature.

                                                                                        so you believe DRMing everything is the answer?

                                                                                        been there done that. its a nightmare.

                                                                                        i'm sure there are others here that will agree.

                                                                                        otherwise, wouldn't we all be doing that already industry wide?

                                                                                        think about it.
                                                                                        Last edited by seeric; 01-16-2008, 02:37 PM.

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                                                                                          • DaddyHalbucks
                                                                                            A freakin' legend!
                                                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                                                            • 18975
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                            I was there for a portion. I heard nothing that upset me or hasn't been mentioned on GFY a dozen times.

                                                                                            There was one interesting discussion that I suppose someone might take wrong if they were not paying attention.

                                                                                            Think before there was television. Everyone went to the movies, then all of a sudden television came along and it was free. The motion picture industry must have been furious. Until they figured out that higher quality would still bring in the viewers.
                                                                                            An interesting analogy on the technological paradigm shift --but it is not perfect.

                                                                                            Television produced it own content or showed movies UNDER LICENSE.

                                                                                            Here, we are talking about stolen content AND a new technology. The fact that the technology is new shouldn't obscure or diminish the theft aspect.
                                                                                            Boner Money

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                                                                                              • JustDaveXxx
                                                                                                I AM JUSTDAVE !
                                                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                                                • 4111
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                I was there.. One of there recommendations was to actively go after pirates with letters and lawsuits.

                                                                                                i was very Unimpressed. I learn more on GFY than i learned there. These guys were there to help them selves not us. I was the big guy on crutches that asked this:

                                                                                                "I might not be an attorney but my observation is this: During the day you see attorneys commercials about "if you have been taking phen phen or this other medication, you may be entitled to monetary compensation"

                                                                                                And in florida a couple of attorneys ran adds like this :"if you are sick or are dying as a result of smoking cigarettes you may be entitled to monetary compensation"



                                                                                                Ask yourself why? Because one person cant really make a difference on there own but if you get more than 20 people you can file a class action lawsuit. If the damages go over $250,000 the government will take notice and step in to do something. That was stated by one of the panelists. Keep in mind pirating is criminal. a criminal complaint and tortious complaint can be filed for damage recoveries. (money lost as a result of the pirating)


                                                                                                The florida case against the tobacco companies got 145 Billion in punitive damages. That was 1 law firm representing a lot of people and winning. http://www.floridasmokers.com/


                                                                                                Finally this was the question:

                                                                                                Why don't you guys contact all of the content producers in the whole entire industry,(would not be hard) and have them all sign a contract where 1 of you or all off you can go after these guys on the industries behalf?

                                                                                                There answer: We are working on it.


                                                                                                I was about to put them on blast!! But thought better of it. Then we broke for lunch and they had a Q and A session. I left because things were made quit clear to me what was up.


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                                                                                                  • BlackCrayon
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                                    • 19634
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Adapt or die is just a way to shoulder any common sense. Any industry that is the threatened by piracy or anything really is going to fight back against it. Do you think the movie industry is just going to "adapt or die"? No, they are going to lobby to make new laws. Same with the music industry. Spammers are frauding millions out of stock investors, do they adapt? No. They arrest those involved. Its gonna take a while for anything that can really be enforced happens though. Right now the movie industry are setting up torrents and sueing those who download.
                                                                                                    Last edited by BlackCrayon; 01-16-2008, 02:51 PM.
                                                                                                    you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                                      • stickyfingerz
                                                                                                        Doin fine
                                                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                                                        • 24984
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                        i'm not shallow or a child to lose relationships over a board, but i am a debater by nature.

                                                                                                        so you believe DRMing everything is the answer?

                                                                                                        been there done that. its a nightmare.

                                                                                                        i'm sure there are others here that will agree.

                                                                                                        otherwise, wouldn't we all be doing that already industry wide?

                                                                                                        think about it.
                                                                                                        No not drm necessarily Im talking alternative delivery methods. More ways than 1 to skin a cat MEOW!.

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                                                                                                          • stickyfingerz
                                                                                                            Doin fine
                                                                                                            • Oct 2005
                                                                                                            • 24984
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Bjorn
                                                                                                            Well what to use drm is nothing that surfers want, and there is really no other way to protect content online, as far as i know. Anyway its broken and dont really give much extra security just hassle for the members. I agree that if some good way to protect content why not use it, however that does not legitimate or is an excuse for not going after pirates
                                                                                                            Ok now you are getting there. Innovation is needed.

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                                                                                                              • seeric
                                                                                                                ..........
                                                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                • 41917
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                No not drm necessarily Im talking alternative delivery methods. More ways than 1 to skin a cat MEOW!.
                                                                                                                Well, we are using flash now as our primary delivery engine for the new network. But, consider this. Anything that can be displayed on your screen can be captured as a wmv by any number of given software programs. you CANNOT stop people from getting your content if they want it bad enough.

                                                                                                                Period. It's all flowers and daisies to dream and wish that it's possible, but the reality is, it will get out there, it absolutely will.

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                                                                                                                  • seeric
                                                                                                                    ..........
                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                    • 41917
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by JustDaveXxx
                                                                                                                    I was there.. One of there recommendations was to actively go after pirates with letters and lawsuits.

                                                                                                                    i was very Unimpressed. I learn more on GFY than i learned there. These guys were there to help them selves not us. I was the big guy on crutches that asked this:

                                                                                                                    "I might not be an attorney but my observation is this: During the day you see attorneys commercials about "if you have been taking phen phen or this other medication, you may be entitled to monetary compensation"

                                                                                                                    And in florida a couple of attorneys ran adds like this :"if you are sick or are dying as a result of smoking cigarettes you may be entitled to monetary compensation"



                                                                                                                    Ask yourself why? Because one person cant really make a difference on there own but if you get more than 20 people you can file a class action lawsuit. If the damages go over $250,000 the government will take notice and step in to do something. That was stated by one of the panelists. Keep in mind pirating is criminal. a criminal complaint and tortious complaint can be filed for damage recoveries. (money lost as a result of the pirating)


                                                                                                                    The florida case against the tobacco companies got 145 Billion in punitive damages. That was 1 law firm representing a lot of people and winning. http://www.floridasmokers.com/


                                                                                                                    Finally this was the question:

                                                                                                                    Why don't you guys contact all of the content producers in the whole entire industry,(would not be hard) and have them all sign a contract where 1 of you or all off you can go after these guys on the industries behalf?

                                                                                                                    There answer: We are working on it.


                                                                                                                    I was about to put them on blast!! But thought better of it. Then we broke for lunch and they had a Q and A session. I left because things were made quit clear to me what was up.


                                                                                                                    8 Words.

                                                                                                                    WAIT TILL XBIZ HOLLYWOOD. BIG NEWS. GO BOOM.





                                                                                                                    Wasn't ready for AVN's show, but will be for XBIZ.
                                                                                                                    Last edited by seeric; 01-16-2008, 03:07 PM.

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                                                                                                                      • stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                        Doin fine
                                                                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                        • 24984
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                        Well, we are using flash now as our primary delivery engine for the new network. But, consider this. Anything that can be displayed on your screen can be captured as a wmv by any number of given software programs. you CANNOT stop people from getting your content if they want it bad enough.

                                                                                                                        Period. It's all flowers and daisies to dream and wish that it's possible, but the reality is, it will get out there, it absolutely will.
                                                                                                                        Yes that has all been covered time and time again. People can steal anything if they are determined enough. Deterrent is enough to cut it in half if not more. Using flash also, and working on getting silverlight up and running also. Just flash will slow most people trying to quickly grab and upload to torrent or tube sites etc. To test out what is getting ripped off try using a different watermark on your non downloadable content. So if you see it out you'll know that it was taken using a screenshot program or not. Bet you will rarely if ever see those vids out there.

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                                                                                                                          • seeric
                                                                                                                            ..........
                                                                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                            • 41917
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                            Yes that has all been covered time and time again. People can steal anything if they are determined enough. Deterrent is enough to cut it in half if not more. Using flash also, and working on getting silverlight up and running also. Just flash will slow most people trying to quickly grab and upload to torrent or tube sites etc. To test out what is getting ripped off try using a different watermark on your non downloadable content. So if you see it out you'll know that it was taken using a screenshot program or not. Bet you will rarely if ever see those vids out there.
                                                                                                                            Well, I'm building in as much deterrent as possible. I encourage others to do the same.

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                                                                                                                              • xclusive
                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                • 35218
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                My new business model is going to be to start up tube sites, steal every bodies content and then when I've made millions of dollars buy all the content providers I stole from cameras. I think it's a winning formula and I'm going to call it "adapt or die 2.0"

                                                                                                                                I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /


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                                                                                                                                  • seeric
                                                                                                                                    ..........
                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                    • 41917
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by xclusive
                                                                                                                                    My new business model is going to be to start up tube sites, steal every bodies content and then when I've made millions of dollars buy all the content providers I stole from cameras. I think it's a winning formula and I'm going to call it "adapt or die 2.0"
                                                                                                                                    trust me. if i was a person with no morales or ethics, i would already be in sweden.

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                                                                                                                                      • xclusive
                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                        • 35218
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                                        trust me. if i was a person with no morales or ethics, i would already be in sweden.

                                                                                                                                        Isn't it weird to feel like an outcast what you aren't always trying to make the quick buck and screw anybody over for a penny? It's a sad state of affairs but sadly one that's taken hold in this industry.

                                                                                                                                        I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /


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                                                                                                                                          • seeric
                                                                                                                                            ..........
                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                            • 41917
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by xclusive
                                                                                                                                            Isn't it weird to feel like an outcast what you aren't always trying to make the quick buck and screw anybody over for a penny? It's a sad state of affairs but sadly one that's taken hold in this industry.
                                                                                                                                            yup. i wake up everyday wondering why i even fucking care about people who don't care about each other or themselves for that matter. some of the people on this board would knock their grandmother down and rummage through her pockets for a 25 cent piece if they knew she was holding one.

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                                                                                                                                              • notoldschool
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                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2007
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                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                                                some of the people on this board would knock their grandmother down and rummage through her pockets for a 25 cent piece if they knew she was holding one.

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                                                                                                                                                  • Kimmykim
                                                                                                                                                    bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                    • 16015
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                                                                    yup. i wake up everyday wondering why i even fucking care about people who don't care about each other or themselves for that matter. some of the people on this board would knock their grandmother down and rummage through her pockets for a 25 cent piece if they knew she was holding one.

                                                                                                                                                    You meant a nickel, not a fucking quarter.

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                                                                                                                                                      • seeric
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                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                        • 41917
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                                                                                                        You meant a nickel, not a fucking quarter.
                                                                                                                                                        yah.
                                                                                                                                                        my bad.

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