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  • Pathfinder
    theking of trailer parks
    • Sep 2001
    • 2290
    #1

    U.S. Iraq Campaign...

    It is becoming clearer that we are going to overthrow Sadam.

    We have authorized the CIA and SF to engage in covert actions.

    http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

    Questions:

    #1: At this point in time do we (the USA) have a legitimate/legal cause to overthrow the leader of a soveriegn nation?

    #2: Should Bush be allowed to unilaterally act if our military forces are required to overthrow Sadam, or should the American people demand that Congress be the ones to make the decision to use military force.
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    • PornMeister
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2001
      • 158
      #2
      #1 NO
      #2 YES

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        • Thomas N
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2001
          • 973
          #3
          Pornmeister, you can't asnwer an 'or' question with a yes or a no. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to explain that to my wife...

          Me: "Honey do you want to go out for dinner tonight, or stay in and we'll cook"

          Wife: "Yes that sounds great!"

          Me:

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            • hyper
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2002
              • 5294
              #4
              yes we have every right to eliminate him since the restrictions on assasinations have been lifted.

              and no an act of war cannot be declared without congressional approval

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                • TheApostate
                  Confirmed User
                  • Nov 2001
                  • 589
                  #5
                  Originally posted by SwordFish
                  Pornmeister, you can't asnwer an 'or' question with a yes or a no. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to explain that to my wife...

                  Me: "Honey do you want to go out for dinner tonight, or stay in and we'll cook"

                  Wife: "Yes that sounds great!"

                  Me:

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                    • Enchantress
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 121
                      #6
                      What I don't get is the angle on this. The white house just projected a 165 billion dollar deficit, so why would we engage in a costly campaign to overthrow a dictator who's not really proving to be a threat to us? It doesn't add up.

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                        • pr0
                          rockin tha trailerpark
                          • May 2001
                          • 23088
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Enchantress
                          What I don't get is the angle on this. The white house just projected a 165 billion dollar deficit, so why would we engage in a costly campaign to overthrow a dictator who's not really proving to be a threat to us? It doesn't add up.
                          Not a threat?

                          I think you need to get your history straight. This guy used gas to kill thousands of his own people. He lured his american exiled family back to iraq under friendly terms & then had them executed.

                          Trust me, this guy would have no issue lobbing bio-weapons or anything else he had at both israel & the United states if he could reach us.

                          And he more than likely helped fund that little plane attack into our WTC.

                          Yea he's a real peach.
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                            • J.R.
                              WantBoobs.com
                              • Feb 2002
                              • 3479
                              #8
                              No Doubt!

                              I would stockpile your own
                              supplies.. I know I will

                              You never know if thay can
                              send some nukes are way.

                              Luckily, I think we have the means
                              to shoot them down before they would
                              ever reach us.

                              Let's pray that they do..

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                                • kmanrox
                                  aka K-Man
                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 29295
                                  #9
                                  #1 you're a putz
                                  #2 we are the USA we do as we please, any questions?
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                                    • Pathfinder
                                      theking of trailer parks
                                      • Sep 2001
                                      • 2290
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by kmanrox
                                      #1 you're a putz
                                      #2 we are the USA we do as we please, any questions?
                                      I do not have any questions of some dumb ass Marine that can't put two sentences together! Gay Marine???
                                      Last edited by Pathfinder; 07-18-2002, 09:21 AM.

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                                        • pr0
                                          rockin tha trailerpark
                                          • May 2001
                                          • 23088
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by kmanrox

                                          #2 we are the USA we do as we please, any questions?
                                          All joking aside thats pretty much the bottom line.

                                          When you guys in other countries become military & economic super powers you'll enjoy the same benefits.
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                                            • DarkJedi
                                              No Refunds Issued.
                                              • Feb 2001
                                              • 28301
                                              #12
                                              whats a putz ?

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                                                • Enchantress
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                  • 121
                                                  #13
                                                  Yes. Saddam Hussein is a crappy person, the world is full of crappy people, that doesn't make it ok to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to invade his country. If we adopt the attitude that having the power to do something gives us the right to do it, we are no better than the dictator we are threatening to oust. If it's in retaliation for 9/11 fine, but where's the evidence that there was any involvement? People seem so apathetic, but let me ask you, is it a cause you'd be willing to die for? More importantly, is it a cause you'd be willing to send your 18 year old kid off to die for? I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, I just think as citizens, and taxpayers we deserve a really good explanation as to why it's necessary and I haven't heard one yet.

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                                                    • jammyjenkins
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                      • 1371
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by pr0


                                                      All joking aside thats pretty much the bottom line.

                                                      When you guys in other countries become military & economic super powers you'll enjoy the same benefits.
                                                      that's all very well ... but when that attitude comes back to america and bites you in the ass (terrorism...etc.) don't act surprised

                                                      arrogance is a very unatractive quality

                                                      arrogance + ignorance = deadly

                                                      not pointing any fingers ... just a fact

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                                                        • jammyjenkins
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                          • 1371
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Enchantress
                                                          Yes. Saddam Hussein is a crappy person, the world is full of crappy people, that doesn't make it ok to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to invade his country. If we adopt the attitude that having the power to do something gives us the right to do it, we are no better than the dictator we are threatening to oust. If it's in retaliation for 9/11 fine, but where's the evidence that there was any involvement? People seem so apathetic, but let me ask you, is it a cause you'd be willing to die for? More importantly, is it a cause you'd be willing to send your 18 year old kid off to die for? I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, I just think as citizens, and taxpayers we deserve a really good explanation as to why it's necessary and I haven't heard one yet.

                                                          er ... because it's a potential threat to Israel?

                                                          Just a thought...

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                                                            • volante
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                              • 2940
                                                              #16
                                                              Am I the only one who thinks that Bush should spend some of that massive defence budget on a dictionary so he can get someone to look up the work "covert"?

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                                                                • hyper
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                  • 5294
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by jammyjenkins



                                                                  er ... because it's a potential threat to Israel?

                                                                  Just a thought...
                                                                  nope..

                                                                  it's all about the oil
                                                                  black gold
                                                                  iraqi hillbillies

                                                                  the U.S.A doesnt do this shit for the hell of it

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                                                                    • jammyjenkins
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                      • 1371
                                                                      #18
                                                                      yeah, i read today that under Iraq there's enough oil to run the US for 100 years

                                                                      Hmm, after all that oil's been used up, I'm sure we can enjoy the 60c summers!

                                                                      (that's meant to be centigrade. I've no idea how much that is in fahrenheit!)

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                                                                        • vending_machine
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                                          • 1070
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I predict if our numbnuts of a president attacks Iraq and tries to overthrow Saddam, there WILL be a third world war. And yes, the US will be hit with nuclear as well as other "dirty" bombs...

                                                                          I hate Bush.
                                                                          Last edited by vending_machine; 07-18-2002, 09:46 AM.

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                                                                            • Enchantress
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                              • 121
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by jammyjenkins



                                                                              er ... because it's a potential threat to Israel?

                                                                              Just a thought...
                                                                              Defending Israel isn't a good enough reason to send my kids off to die for. I don't mean that to offend anyone, I'm just saying that there are things I would fight and die for, but defending Israel isn't one of them.

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                                                                                • Cogitator
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                  • 672
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  The main problem with Iraq is Saddam Hussein is making available long range missle technology to the crazies of the world. He also wants to develop nuclear plants for "peaceful" purposes. Yeah, right. In a country that is literally floating on oil. If the crazies get the missle AND nuclear technology, we're fucked....
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                                                                                    • Cogitator
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                      • 672
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      ...missile...sorry...
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                                                                                        • jammyjenkins
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                          • 1371
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Enchantress


                                                                                          Defending Israel isn't a good enough reason to send my kids off to die for. I don't mean that to offend anyone, I'm just saying that there are things I would fight and die for, but defending Israel isn't one of them.
                                                                                          Yup. This will probably annoy a lot of people, but I really don't give a flying monkey's bollock about Israel.

                                                                                          (I'm not in the US so perhaps I don't get it rammed down my throat as much)

                                                                                          I do think the whole situation is fucked up over there ... but what can I do about it?

                                                                                          When you consider that Israel is the only mideast country with nukes, perhaps saddam arming himself is just self defence.

                                                                                          :-)

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                                                                                            • Keev
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                              • 5335
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I would rather just release like 10 tons of boneprone certified crabs over Saddams palaces and let him live the rest of his life scratching his nuts off....
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                                                                                                • mjrools23
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                                  • 1604
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Pathfinder


                                                                                                  I do not have any questions of some dumb ass Marine that can't put two sentences together! Gay Marine???
                                                                                                  he called u gay marine? LOL LOL
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                                                                                                    • jammyjenkins
                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                      • 1371
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      am I stupid or what? How do I do those fucking smiley pictures in my posts??!! I feel so left out ...

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                                                                                                        • hyper
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                                          • 5294
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by jammyjenkins
                                                                                                          Hmm, after all that oil's been used up, I'm sure we can enjoy the 60c summers!

                                                                                                          (that's meant to be centigrade. I've no idea how much that is in fahrenheit!)
                                                                                                          double it and add 30 will get it close

                                                                                                          60 x 2 = 120 + 30 = 150 fahrenheit

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                                                                                                            • jammyjenkins
                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                              • 1371
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by hyper

                                                                                                              double it and add 30 will get it close

                                                                                                              60 x 2 = 120 + 30 = 150 fahrenheit

                                                                                                              Cheers!

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                                                                                                                • Pathfinder
                                                                                                                  theking of trailer parks
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                  • 2290
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by hyper
                                                                                                                  yes we have every right to eliminate him since the restrictions on assasinations have been lifted.

                                                                                                                  and no an act of war cannot be declared without congressional approval
                                                                                                                  Since the War Powers act a President can engage our troops without Congressional approval, for up to ninety days.

                                                                                                                  Congress is the only one that can declare war and they have not done this since the Second World War.

                                                                                                                  GB senior came close to going to war in the Gulf with out Congressional approval, but in the end Congress voted a resolution of approval.

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                                                                                                                    • Pathfinder
                                                                                                                      theking of trailer parks
                                                                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                      • 2290
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I wasn't aware that assasination has been given the green light.

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                                                                                                                        • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                          I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                          • 41470
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Notradamis predicted a 20 year war with some guy in the middle east named madas - which curiously is Sadam spelled backwards...............................
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                                                                                                                          Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                            • Mr.Fiction
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                              • 9484
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Whether you support taking out Sadam or not, Bush shouldn't do it without approval from Congress.

                                                                                                                              Bush and Cheney are under heavy pressure from all of their scandals. Do you really want them making decisions about our military, and the people in our military, just so that they can get their legal problems off of the front page of the papers?

                                                                                                                              Bush also has a personal problem with Sadam because his dad couldn't kill him. Not to mention all of the money that the Bush family would probably make on the oil from the area if we took over Iraq. There are too many conflicts of interest between Bush and Iraq for him to make a decision based on the best interests of America.

                                                                                                                              Even if you do support attacking Iraq, I think it's fair to say that Congress should have to approve before we make a major move.
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                                                                                                                                • Ace-Ace
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 1863
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SwordFish
                                                                                                                                  Pornmeister, you can't asnwer an 'or' question with a yes or a no. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to explain that to my wife...

                                                                                                                                  Me: "Honey do you want to go out for dinner tonight, or stay in and we'll cook"

                                                                                                                                  Wife: "Yes that sounds great!"

                                                                                                                                  Me:
                                                                                                                                  hahahaha....
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                                                                                                                                    • Rochard
                                                                                                                                      Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 75764
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Bush SR wasn't able to kill him? Did you not see what happened in the Gulf when we kicked their asses? They didn't know what direction we were coming from! Their elite guard units were surrendering to news reporters. The US stopped - It's goal was to get Iraq out of Kuwiat, not to topple Iraq's government.

                                                                                                                                      Third World War? Iraq and what army? Not many countries seem to be siding with Iraq these days. Iran isn't going to come to their defense. Russia doesn't seem to be able to do jack, and Chinia doesn't seem to care.

                                                                                                                                      It's not about oil. Fuck Iraq. If we don't buy their oil they starve; There are a dozen other countries with the oil we need.
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                                                                                                                                        • jammyjenkins
                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 1371
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          G W has got a hard on for Saddam as he's trying to get revenge for Saddam almost getting his dad assasinated

                                                                                                                                          I say drown the whole fucking lot of them! (all bush's)

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                                                                                                                                            • foe
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 5246
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by jammyjenkins
                                                                                                                                              yeah, i read today that under Iraq there's enough oil to run the US for 100 years

                                                                                                                                              Hmm, after all that oil's been used up, I'm sure we can enjoy the 60c summers!

                                                                                                                                              (that's meant to be centigrade. I've no idea how much that is in fahrenheit!)
                                                                                                                                              152 of the top of my head

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                                                                                                                                                • Pathfinder
                                                                                                                                                  theking of trailer parks
                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 2290
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by jammyjenkins
                                                                                                                                                  G W has got a hard on for Saddam as he's trying to get revenge for Saddam almost getting his dad assasinated

                                                                                                                                                  I say drown the whole fucking lot of them! (all bush's)
                                                                                                                                                  I suspect this is certainly a secret personal motive, but there is more to it when making a case to overthrow Sadam.

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                                                                                                                                                    • RW316
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 1103
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Pathfinder
                                                                                                                                                      It is becoming clearer that we are going to overthrow Sadam.

                                                                                                                                                      We have authorized the CIA and SF to engage in covert actions.

                                                                                                                                                      http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

                                                                                                                                                      Questions:

                                                                                                                                                      #1: At this point in time do we (the USA) have a legitimate/legal cause to overthrow the leader of a soveriegn nation?

                                                                                                                                                      #2: Should Bush be allowed to unilaterally act if our military forces are required to overthrow Sadam, or should the American people demand that Congress be the ones to make the decision to use military force.
                                                                                                                                                      YES
                                                                                                                                                      YES

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                                                                                                                                                        • jammyjenkins
                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 1371
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by RW316


                                                                                                                                                          YES
                                                                                                                                                          YES
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                                                                                                                                                            • Jax Meehoff
                                                                                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 60
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Pathfinder
                                                                                                                                                              It is becoming clearer that we are going to overthrow Sadam.

                                                                                                                                                              We have authorized the CIA and SF to engage in covert actions.

                                                                                                                                                              http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html
                                                                                                                                                              Yeah we all know that the best way to start any covert action is to announce it to CNN and the entire world... good gravy just fucking take his punk ass out and be done with it.

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                                                                                                                                                                • funkmaster
                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 7938
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  ... I remeber bush saying, we want him dead or alive ... that has been over 10 month ago ... how dangerous must osama be if even the us can´t get him ??

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Pathfinder
                                                                                                                                                                      theking of trailer parks
                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 2290
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by funkmaster
                                                                                                                                                                      ... I remeber bush saying, we want him dead or alive ... that has been over 10 month ago ... how dangerous must osama be if even the us can´t get him ??
                                                                                                                                                                      Have you considered that we may have already got him?

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                                                                                                                                                                        • jammyjenkins
                                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 1371
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          hmm ... you never see bin laden and bush in the same room at the same time do you?

                                                                                                                                                                          What does that tell you?

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                                                                                                                                                                            • funkmaster
                                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 7938
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              "Have you considered that we may have already got him?"

                                                                                                                                                                              ... sounds like you are talking about that guy in the eminem video !

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                                                                                                                                                                                • archer
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 1721
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  the empire of the united states can do what it wants and no one else can say boo
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • jammyjenkins
                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1371
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by archer
                                                                                                                                                                                      the empire of the united states can do what it wants and no one else can say boo
                                                                                                                                                                                      That's actually rubbish, but I can't be bothered to explain why

                                                                                                                                                                                      look it up here:

                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.foreignpolicy.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Pathfinder
                                                                                                                                                                                          theking of trailer parks
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 2290
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by jammyjenkins


                                                                                                                                                                                          That's actually rubbish, but I can't be bothered to explain why

                                                                                                                                                                                          look it up here:

                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.foreignpolicy.com
                                                                                                                                                                                          In part rubbish.

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