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If he has a partner in the EU region there's no problem billing through CCBill EU. The only issue that might arise is that that partner has control over the account. In essence sticky is the front man. You can look at that as either a positive or a negative.Clockwork Cash - ICQ: 355-26-288 / Email: admin AT clockworkcash DOT com
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Exactly the point shunga. Neither Sticky or any LLC he may have has control of processing/funds re the EU.
Dunno... but possibly this may be fine between a couple of trusted friends on their websites, but sure sounds like a very rocky scenario in the instance of a "program" where others, eg affiliates are being involved.Comment
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Oh dear - the lad's ignorance is showing thru again. Is that what happens when you are caught lying again Sticky??
CCBill have nothing to do with *you* processing in the EU - you already admitted this. You claim to have a "Euro partner" who you further claim has an EU entity in which you have no interest.
What exactly is hard to understand???? DUH!!!!!
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Yes you seem to ignore all logic here so just carry on with it.Oh dear - the lad's ignorance is showing thru again. Is that what happens when you are caught lying again Sticky??
CCBill have nothing to do with *you* processing in the EU - you already admitted this. You claim to have a "Euro partner" who you further claim has an EU entity in which you have no interest.
What exactly is hard to understand???? DUH!!!!!
If we did not have a Euro partner than how would we have a Euro CCBill account umm duh...
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Depends on the future scenario with a claimed EU corp shunga and possibly to a degree on the alleged "partnership relationship".
Simple and far more clean cut is for Sticky Incorporated to have their own EU corp and presence and under their control. This kinda stuff always ends up messy, but, as you say, for better or worse, it can be a good thing to have another party handling EU processing (based on past track record).
It's far nicer to be "clean" and above board - and can save a hell of a lot of problems.Comment
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I've read all this and have a few questions. If LLC's aren't recognized in the EU just what entity are funds being handled by? I assume corporations are valid in the EU and if so wasn't this easily explained by a US law firm? Who owns this European entity?Comment
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The LLC is between Boxer and I. We shoot content for our sites and as any one with a brain knows there could be liabilities from shoots. Anyone with a brain would understand the LLC is there to protect our personal assets incase a liablity claim would arise. Its that Jackass Webby that is trying to say our LLC is Euro based because he is a fucking ass clown. We also have the LLC to help simplify our tax purposes here in the states. For BOTH of those things we are smart to have an LLC and none of that has anything to do with where we process our online payments.
Oh and I was unaware that our partner must be an Enity in order to have a ccbill account... lolLast edited by stickyfingerz; 01-08-2008, 08:28 PM.Comment
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Now... gotta ask you this Sticky. Are you SURE you really want to play the fantasy role of operating a "sponsor program"???? *lol*
You are so very good with front end PR and show a wealth of knowledge on this subject - it's enough to make ya weep
Now.. seriously - you are your own worst enemy and obviously have a bit to learn, especially when you are "pretty sure" you have a corp etc. As a tip and clue - I know exactly what corps I have an interest in - it's not a matter of being "pretty sure"
Despite your foul track record, I wish you success in this, but it is clear some basics need sorted out else we'll be hearing about the next Sticky fuckup which may affect more than just Sticky. Remember these words
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NOTHING needs sorted out. We are well aware of what is what, and you are not. That is how it will remain.
Now... gotta ask you this Sticky. Are you SURE you really want to play the fantasy role of operating a "sponsor program"???? *lol*
You are so very good with front end PR and show a wealth of knowledge on this subject - it's enough to make ya weep
Now.. seriously - you are your own worst enemy and obviously have a bit to learn, especially when you are "pretty sure" you have a corp etc. As a tip and clue - I know exactly what corps I have an interest in - it's not a matter of being "pretty sure"
Despite your foul track record, I wish you success in this, but it is clear some basics need sorted out else we'll be hearing about the next Sticky fuckup which may affect more than just Sticky. Remember these words
You come in and try to undermine our program with utter bullshit. Again Id love to have a face to face with you when I get to Costa. Just let me know when you can make it to Jaco, or hell even SJO. Be glad to "chat"Comment
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sticky, don't get snotty with me. I don't need a lecture from you on liability and corporations. I'm trying to understand how European billing is being handled ... and so far it appears you don't own a valid European corporation. If I'm wrong please clear the air, ok?
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Look.. start behaving like an adult and quit being an imbecile.
I am not interested in undermining anything. There are issues which either you do not comprehend or wish to avoid. These can ultimately land you up shit creek - along with affiliate webmasters.
I personally wish you well, but if you fuck up - that's totally in your hands. What I won't listen to is utter bullshit which can affect other webmasters when you have potential problems.
If you claim to be honest - there is no biggie and nothing to hide. So far you have deviated and avoided the truth (and made claims other than what is actual fact).
Forget the bs Sticky - I don't bs when it comes to biz and more than pleased to help, but don't bother continuing with the banal kid's dialog and lying.Comment
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We've made it quite clear that the primary CCBill account holder is European and he is our partner. I wasnt being snippy to you, that was directly to Webby. He is a silent partner and that it. He plays the tuba and wears leederhosen I think, but Im not sure. I think he likes to drink dark beer too..
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Jesus this got off topic quick. CCBill will pay affiliates and us, we have a partnership and tons of time and money invested, we're not going anywhere anytime soon. So, what's the problem?Comment
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Again and for the last time. Our program is fully CCBill and Visa approved. We have things setup properly period. You are not somehow privy to our private company info period. If for some reason we would need to switch over to a non Euro American based CCBill we can do that within 2 weeks and dont think it would even take that long. No links would change, no rebills would change nothing. There is NO risk for affiliates, yet you keep saying we are putting them at risk... Stop trying to stir up shit and mind your own business..
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OOmpa OOmpa OOmpa!We've made it quite clear that the primary CCBill account holder is European and he is our partner. I wasnt being snippy to you, that was directly to Webby. He is a silent partner and that it. He plays the tuba and wears leederhosen I think, but Im not sure. I think he likes to drink dark beer too..Comment
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Listen Sticky - not joking.We've made it quite clear that the primary CCBill account holder is European and he is our partner. I wasnt being snippy to you, that was directly to Webby. He is a silent partner and that it. He plays the tuba and wears leederhosen I think, but Im not sure. I think he likes to drink dark beer too..
Based on what you say, you have no interest in a EU entity?? In that case you are not in control - a "partner" is.
Seriously... tho there may be other possibles (more related to personal stuff), but for a start you "need" a corp where y'all are parties and not some EU partner with his own alleged corp handling the processing. That is not a "partnership".Comment
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I understand the CCBill account holder is European. I understand your partner is European. I read where you stated you had a European LLC. I read where GreyWolf stated LLC's weren't recognized in Europe.We've made it quite clear that the primary CCBill account holder is European and he is our partner. I wasnt being snippy to you, that was directly to Webby. He is a silent partner and that it. He plays the tuba and wears leederhosen I think, but Im not sure. I think he likes to drink dark beer too..
So here's the question ..... Is your partnership a hand-shake deal or is there actual paperwork ...Comment
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There are written contracts yes. We DO NOT have a European LLC. There is no such thing that I am aware of. This is the problem when people who have no idea of how a business is structured try to play super sleuths.
We have written contracts with our Euro partner. Which does in fact make us partners... lol Boxer and I have a LLC in the U.S. to protect us from liability of a model having an accident during a shoot, being sued whatever could arise. It also helps with Tax concerns between our dual expenses for the business and makes it so we can file easier.
Signed contracts doneby our lawyer. There is no problem here. Just Webby and DirectCumFiesta trying to stir up shit.
Funny they dont stick their nose into any of the other fresh start up programs and demand to know their biz structure.. lol
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Quick summary - tho only based on what Sticky has said.
There is a US LLC where there are US partners, including Sticky. There is another EU corp where there is a "EU partner" and this corp transacts in the EU.
Again, based on what Sticky has said, the US LLC or Sticky etc, have no interest in the alleged EU corp - this is owned by the "EU partner".
The EU corp is approved to conduct biz within the EU - not Sticky or the US LLC.
Tho.. gotta take that with a pinch of salt - what is said may not be accurate.Comment
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This is how I understand it as well.......let's sit up all night thinking of ways to further complicate things and forget about actually workingThere are written contracts yes. We DO NOT have a European LLC. There is no such thing that I am aware of. This is the problem when people who have no idea of how a business is structured try to play super sleuths.
We have written contracts with our Euro partner. Which does in fact make us partners... lol Boxer and I have a LLC in the U.S. to protect us from liability of a model having an accident during a shoot, being sued whatever could arise. It also helps with Tax concerns between our dual expenses for the business and makes it so we can file easier.
Signed contracts doneby our lawyer. There is no problem here. Just Webby and DirectCumFiesta trying to stir up shit.
Funny they dont stick their nose into any of the other fresh start up programs and demand to know their biz structure.. lol
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sticky, You came here announcing a new program. Anyone wanting to participate will want to know details about getting paid. From what YOU have stated the checks will get cut from your European partner. However there is no legal entity, ie; corporation that you own a part of.
So an unknown stranger somewhere in Europe will be sending out checks.
Am I overlooking something or are you?
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There are written contracts yes. We DO NOT have a European LLC. There is no such thing that I am aware of. This is the problem when people who have no idea of how a business is structured try to play super sleuths.
We have written contracts with our Euro partner. Which does in fact make us partners... lol Boxer and I have a LLC in the U.S. to protect us from liability of a model having an accident during a shoot, being sued whatever could arise. It also helps with Tax concerns between our dual expenses for the business and makes it so we can file easier.
Signed contracts doneby our lawyer. There is no problem here. Just Webby and DirectCumFiesta trying to stir up shit.
Funny they dont stick their nose into any of the other fresh start up programs and demand to know their biz structure.. lol
OK.. dumping your idiot comments ...
At least we may be reaching a level of possible truth. Fine.. you have "contracts" with an EU "partner" who handles EU processing.
So.. you have finally admitted that "you" do not have any control over the activities of an EU corp and rely on "contracts".Comment
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BTW I have multiple personalities.......I am in the states some days, other days I am Sven Svinkohllsohn, the European "partner". By medical reason, it is working.Comment
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You show me one other sponsor that has been forced to reveal every partner that their business has. Jesus Christ. Do you know how many large programs have partners no one is aware of. Comes down to send traffic if you want. Its ccbill based. They cut the checks. No fucking program is made out of granite and going to survive a nuclear war. We dont plan on going anywhere. If you like what we have.. then send traffic. We will do more than our best to assist anyone in whatever they need to promote us. It is in our best interest to do so obviously. We put way too much time and money into this to just give up.
Just because a Pakistani from Canada, and an exiled UK resident that fled to Costa Rica for whatever reason think we may not have everything right means shit.
We are just like any other new program. We will have our growing pains, and we will have mistakes we will learn from. This is normal. Deal with it. I know we will.Comment
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