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01-08-2008, 05:05 AM

..how on earth you can even consider voting for any other candidate then Ron Paul if you have heard every candidates viewpoints and seen them interviewed on several occasions?

I just cannot fathom it. Ron Paul seems to me to be what you would call "founding father material".

Why are people so damn stupid? The same thing happened in Sweden last time we had an election, people voted forward the worst possible option and now everybody is compaining about this and that. It's not even funny. The only difference is we did not have a good candidate to vote for, only different shades of shit.

If you have not investigated Ron Paul yet, please please, I beg you to do so.

This guy is real, you can tell. All other candidates I have listened to appear shallow as my bird pond in the back yard.

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01-08-2008, 05:15 AM

Serious response -

Life in the US is really pretty awesome so why let some nut job who wants to redo everything in the highest position in the land? I imagine that is also the answer as to why your politics(Sweden) is not very dynamic right now. It does not have to be. "Stay the course" is pretty much what everyone wants with just a few minor tweaks.

Even in Brazil where I now live most people don't want huge sweeping change as it might not be for the better.
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01-08-2008, 05:17 AM

no thanks at the same time anyone is better then Bush, but its all talk till they win they everything changes anyways like they never made any promises

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01-08-2008, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by Satan

no thanks at the same time anyone is better then Bush, but its all talk till they win they everything changes anyways like they never made any promises

What about listening to intuition? Everyone I have spoken to and showed different candidates say RP comes out as the only 'real' and honest person.

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01-08-2008, 05:28 AM

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..how on earth you can even consider voting for any other candidate then Ron Paul if you have heard every candidates viewpoints and seen them interviewed on several occasions?

I just cannot fathom it. Ron Paul seems to me to be what you would call "founding father material".

Why are people so damn stupid? The same thing happened in Sweden last time we had an election, people voted forward the worst possible option and now everybody is compaining about this and that. It's not even funny. The only difference is we did not have a good candidate to vote for, only different shades of shit.

If you have not investigated Ron Paul yet, please please, I beg you to do so.

This guy is real, you can tell. All other candidates I have listened to appear shallow as my bird pond in the back yard.

The problem mainly is that people go with those who they know or trust and give their full trust and resources and do not see the need as to question... and this can be a real problem when it come to both public and private groups because no one considers to double check facts. I'm not saying all people are that way but most...

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01-08-2008, 05:40 AM

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01-08-2008, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by kandah

What about listening to intuition? Everyone I have spoken to and showed different candidates say RP comes out as the only 'real' and honest person.

I think you just answered your own question. "Real and honest" disqualifies you from high office.

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01-08-2008, 05:45 AM

I noticed you skipped my response... sort of proves the point hehe.
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01-08-2008, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by kandah

What about listening to intuition? Everyone I have spoken to and showed different candidates say RP comes out as the only 'real' and honest person.

and those people are who? you cant talk to a group of friends who all belive the same thing, im not saying you didnt talk to all differnt people but Im just saying, plus the USA its the media picking who they want to win, Obama and hillary will never win in this country

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01-08-2008, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by slapass

I noticed you skipped my response... sort of proves the point hehe.

I skipped it because you obviously do not understand Ron Paul or you would not call him a 'nut job' who wants to 'redo everything'.

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01-08-2008, 06:02 AM

let me remind you kandah, there's a lot of stupid people.

the average IQ is 100 this means half the population is below this, hence half the votes are below this.

on top of this you have all the people with a fine intelligence who just seems to waste it and people who think that USA is the whole world and so forth.

and then there's all the people who are afraid of changes.

Thinking of it this way demystify things like this for me

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01-08-2008, 06:24 AM

John Doe doesn't like perfect (hillary) or radical (ron) candidates, so they vote for monkeys and evangelists, who are like them (i mean they suck, just like them).

Dummies like George and perverts like Bill won this way, because they were close to the little people.

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01-08-2008, 06:29 AM

New President will be Huckabee the Prophet or Obama the Chimp. I think the Chimp will win.

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01-08-2008, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by kandah

What about listening to intuition? Everyone I have spoken to and showed different candidates say RP comes out as the only 'real' and honest person.

you need to speak to someone successful.
you spend your day talking to kids pretending to make a living in this business.
not really the people you want to be taking political advice from

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01-08-2008, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

you need to speak to someone successful.
you spend your day talking to kids pretending to make a living in this business.
not really the people you want to be taking political advice from

Noone in this business gives me political advise.

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01-08-2008, 06:36 AM

If he is a politician, then he is no better than the rest.

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01-08-2008, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by kandah

Noone in this business gives me political advise.

then please son, what Americans are you speaking to about ron paul?
you calling McDonalds?

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01-08-2008, 06:43 AM

thats a complicated question. First you have to realize different people from different backgrounds of different wealth, all have different needs.
People below middle wage income will likely support a candidate who supports social programs, while those above will likely support candidates who oppose said programs.

Also you must understand he is not so drastically different from other candidates. His campaign is based on ideology. He talks about eliminating income tax, eliminating all these govt agencies etc. However the american system does not give the executive branch any power to do this. He has not been able to push any of these changes through in 14 some years as a Congressman where he was part of the legislative branch. So why is his campaign based on this, the intelligent question here is what and how is he really going to accomplish as a president? His basic power would then lie with a: the military (ie removing US from iraq / afghan, fortifying our borders / entry points) and b: likely the most important i can think of control over the executive orders, many of which are insanely debilitating for american IMO. this opens the field up to other candidates who are looking at accomplishing the same.

many people do not make educated decisions on their own, thus being led away from the lesser known candidates.
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01-08-2008, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by kandah

I skipped it because you obviously do not understand Ron Paul or you would not call him a 'nut job' who wants to 'redo everything'.

Maybe i was a bit severe

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He talks about eliminating income tax, eliminating all these govt agencies etc.

but he is not for the status quo by any stretch of the imagination and it shows. Thus my statements stand. People are not really looking for radical change. At least not those of us who vote.
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01-08-2008, 07:56 AM

Excellent post, Severe. It's interesting that some people think that there is only one candidate who would be best for everyone. Different people have different needs and conceptions of what kind of world they want to live in. That's it in a nutshell.

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01-08-2008, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

you need to speak to someone successful.
you spend your day talking to kids pretending to make a living in this business.
not really the people you want to be taking political advice from

It is nice to know that not everyone who posts here is an idiot.

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01-08-2008, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

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01-08-2008, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by severe

thats a complicated question. First you have to realize different people from different backgrounds of different wealth, all have different needs.
People below middle wage income will likely support a candidate who supports social programs, while those above will likely support candidates who oppose said programs.

Also you must understand he is not so drastically different from other candidates. His campaign is based on ideology. He talks about eliminating income tax, eliminating all these govt agencies etc. However the american system does not give the executive branch any power to do this. He has not been able to push any of these changes through in 14 some years as a Congressman where he was part of the legislative branch. So why is his campaign based on this, the intelligent question here is what and how is he really going to accomplish as a president? His basic power would then lie with a: the military (ie removing US from iraq / afghan, fortifying our borders / entry points) and b: likely the most important i can think of control over the executive orders, many of which are insanely debilitating for american IMO. this opens the field up to other candidates who are looking at accomplishing the same.

many people do not make educated decisions on their own, thus being led away from the lesser known candidates.

That's an educated response, thanks. Got me thinking.

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01-08-2008, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by kandah

..how on earth you can even consider voting for any other candidate then Ron Paul if you have heard every candidates viewpoints and seen them interviewed on several occasions?

I just cannot fathom it. Ron Paul seems to me to be what you would call "founding father material".

Why are people so damn stupid? The same thing happened in Sweden last time we had an election, people voted forward the worst possible option and now everybody is compaining about this and that. It's not even funny. The only difference is we did not have a good candidate to vote for, only different shades of shit.

If you have not investigated Ron Paul yet, please please, I beg you to do so.

This guy is real, you can tell. All other candidates I have listened to appear shallow as my bird pond in the back yard.

Assuming that one even takes him to be a serious candidate...could it be that people know that if he were to be elected he could not accomplish even 1% of the radical changes that he proposes. A President has very limted domestic powers (basically he only has the pulpit at his disposal to persuad and RP has already proven that he is not very persuasive) and cannot make law or change law. Only Congress can make make law or change law and only the Supreme Court can decide if the laws that Congress makes are legal or not.

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01-08-2008, 09:52 AM

Ohh i did forget to mention 1 item. He would have some control over laws in regard to the power of veto (and possibly line veto) where he would make a large contribution as congress rarely agrees on laws enough to bypass a presidential veto.
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01-08-2008, 11:40 AM

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01-08-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by polle54

half the population is below this, hence half the votes are below this.

That would be the median, not average.

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01-08-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by theking

Assuming that one even takes him to be a serious candidate...could it be that people know that if he were to be elected he could not accomplish even 1% of the radical changes that he proposes. A President has very limted domestic powers (basically he only has the pulpit at his disposal to persuad and RP has already proven that he is not very persuasive) and cannot make law or change law. Only Congress can make make law or change law and only the Supreme Court can decide if the laws that Congress makes are legal or not.

And how is this a problem? Bush always had his way.

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01-08-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by kandah

And how is this a problem? Bush always had his way.

It's not Bush who had his way, it was the political activists behind him.

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01-08-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by kandah

And how is this a problem? Bush always had his way.

Because President Bush had a Republican controlled House and Senate...that was willing to go along with him. Ron Paul is not a Republican even though he is running as a Republican and does not have Republican support...in addition the Democrats control the House and the Senate.

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