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  • S P A N N O W
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    • Mar 2004
    • 11941

    #1

    Feds Can Search Your Laptop On Re-Entry Into US...

    January 7, 2008
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    If Your Hard Drive Could Testify ...
    By ADAM LIPTAK

    A couple of years ago, Michael T. Arnold landed at the Los Angeles International Airport after a 20-hour flight from the Philippines. He had his laptop with him, and a customs officer took a look at what was on his hard drive. Clicking on folders called ?Kodak pictures? and ?Kodak memories,? the officer found child pornography.

    The search was not unusual: the government contends that it is perfectly free to inspect every laptop that enters the country, whether or not there is anything suspicious about the computer or its owner. Rummaging through a computer?s hard drive, the government says, is no different than looking through a suitcase.

    One federal appeals court has agreed, and a second seems ready to follow suit.

    There is one lonely voice on the other side. In 2006, Judge Dean D. Pregerson of Federal District Court in Los Angeles suppressed the evidence against Mr. Arnold.

    ?Electronic storage devices function as an extension of our own memory,? Judge Pregerson wrote, in explaining why the government should not be allowed to inspect them without cause. ?They are capable of storing our thoughts, ranging from the most whimsical to the most profound.?

    Computer hard drives can include, Judge Pregerson continued, diaries, letters, medical information, financial records, trade secrets, attorney-client materials and ? the clincher, of course ? information about reporters? ?confidential sources and story leads.?

    But Judge Pregerson?s decision seems to be headed for reversal. The three judges who heard the arguments in October in the appeal of his decision seemed persuaded that a computer is just a container and deserves no special protection from searches at the border. The same information in hard-copy form, their questions suggested, would doubtless be subject to search.

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  • RevengeBucks_Monica
    Confirmed User
    • Sep 2007
    • 775

    #2
    The first time I travelled for a long term trip to Mexico, I made sure I did a big cleanup on my computer, even removing any software that wasn't properly licensed, and getting rid of all extra files just in case. I wanted my laptop to be squeaky clean so that nothing that was none of their business would be seen should they decide to peek at my computer.

    And I'm not a US citizen, I was just stopping on my way through.
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    • seeric
      ..........
      • Aug 2004
      • 41917

      #3
      and they do.

      everytime i come back into the country they pretty much body cavity search me.

      no idea why.

      a friend of mine in u.s. customs told me its because i used to have a top secret clearance in the military.

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      • JuiceMonkey
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2004
        • 3581

        #4
        I've traveled with people who have gotten their laptops checked. It really is getting out hand.
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        • D
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2006
          • 7412

          #5
          I think a snippet from last night's episode of The Simpsons pretty much sums up a lot of this crap lately...

          'Lisa: What about the Constitution?

          Bart: I'm pretty sure that was replaced by the Patriot Act in order to protect our freedoms.'
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          • OG LennyT
            Wall Street Pimp
            • Jun 2003
            • 14345

            #6
            Originally posted by JuiceMonkey
            I've traveled with people who have gotten their laptops checked. It really is getting out hand.
            You're right, we should go back to the way it was before 9/11.

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            • Socks
              Confirmed User
              • May 2002
              • 8475

              #7
              I wonder if you encrypt your data if they can seize it, copy it, keep the laptop to unencrypt it etc?

              You can easily put things into an encrypted "container" on a HD, so is that just another container too?

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              • igotmeg
                Registered User
                • Feb 2007
                • 79

                #8
                I've traveled in and out of the country quite a few times with mine and other then going through the x-ray in it's own container it has never left my bag.
                But maybe because I am a young white female. Who knows..?
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                • pornguy
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 62910

                  #9
                  I think at some point they are breaching the reasonable right to privacy. What sucks is that it is going to be a long court battle to win that.
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                  • ronaldo
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jan 2002
                    • 5475

                    #10
                    I figured that was common knowledge. But unless the inspectors have gotten any smarter it wouldn't matter anyways. When they searched mine, coming back into Canada that is, they didn't even know how to turn the thing on...let alone find anything incriminating. Not that they would have.

                    What an idiot THIS guy is though, geez...

                    The government went even further in the case of Sebastien Boucher, a Canadian who lives in New Hampshire. Mr. Boucher crossed the Canadian border by car about a year ago, and a customs agent noticed a laptop in the back seat.

                    Asked whether he had child pornography on his laptop, Mr. Boucher said he was not sure. He said he downloaded a lot of pornography but deleted child pornography when he found it.


                    He should be arrested for his own safety as he sounds too stupid to be just walking around without harming himself.
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                    • RevengeBucks_Monica
                      Confirmed User
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 775

                      #11
                      I've heard they can actually decide to keep your laptop and send you on your way without it until they are done checking it out.
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                      • L-Pink
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                        • Mar 2005
                        • 39151

                        #12
                        Originally posted by igotmeg
                        I've traveled in and out of the country quite a few times with mine and other then going through the x-ray in it's own container it has never left my bag.
                        But maybe because I am a young white female. Who knows..?
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                        • Casa Nova
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 2867

                          #13
                          That's ridiculous.My laptop is a private thing to me and if anyone was to look through it I would flip.

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                          • Socks
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2002
                            • 8475

                            #14
                            When I was taking a bus to Mexico City from Toronto (yes, I did it, 3.5 days) the guy at the Detroit border read EVERY PAGE of my notebook. He spent a good 10 minutes flipping through it. He asked me questions like "why did you write this" "who is this person" "why did you write their phone number" "what if I called this number right now" "what's all this porn stuff" etc etc etc.

                            Then he proceeded to tell me I didn't have enough money. He asked how much money I had in my bank account. He asked me what the limit is on my visa. How much ROOM I HAD LEFT on my visa.. He said "I can't trust that this isn't maxed out"....

                            He then told me I would never make it to Mexico, I would surely not get through the Mexican border, and that I would be "roughed up" when I got into Mexico.

                            I did my best to just keep quiet and let him be an idiot, I just wanted to get past.

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                            • igotmeg
                              Registered User
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 79

                              #15
                              My friend asked if i didn't have anything to hide why would it matter. well what if i did have something to hide but like the judge said, trade secrets, medical info,, private photos, etc. who's business is that. nothing illegal or wrong with those secrets yet they could ruin a person if exposed. and the chances of catching a terrorist from a laptop entering the country is probably slimmer then an astroid smashing into earth tomorrow morning unnoticed.
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                              • uno
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                                • Dec 2002
                                • 18450

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Socks
                                When I was taking a bus to Mexico City from Toronto (yes, I did it, 3.5 days) the guy at the Detroit border read EVERY PAGE of my notebook. He spent a good 10 minutes flipping through it. He asked me questions like "why did you write this" "who is this person" "why did you write their phone number" "what if I called this number right now" "what's all this porn stuff" etc etc etc.

                                Then he proceeded to tell me I didn't have enough money. He asked how much money I had in my bank account. He asked me what the limit is on my visa. How much ROOM I HAD LEFT on my visa.. He said "I can't trust that this isn't maxed out"....

                                He then told me I would never make it to Mexico, I would surely not get through the Mexican border, and that I would be "roughed up" when I got into Mexico.

                                I did my best to just keep quiet and let him be an idiot, I just wanted to get past.


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                                • Socks
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2002
                                  • 8475

                                  #17
                                  lol tell me about it, when I got to the mexican border I walked through, and they asked me to open my suitcase.. I pulled the zipper maybe a foot, they saw a pair of socks, and said go ahead :D

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                                  • baddog
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Apr 2001
                                    • 107089

                                    #18
                                    Funny how they seem to pick the laptops that have illegal stuff on them.

                                    I did not even get a second look when I came back from EU. Made me mad that I did not try to bring something back.

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                                    • baddog
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Apr 2001
                                      • 107089

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by uno


                                      They'll let ANYONE into mexico.
                                      People yes, contraband not so much. I got a little worried when I went there for WYPD in 2006.

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                                      • escorpio
                                        doesn't fuck around.
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 23485

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                        People yes, contraband not so much. I got a little worried when I went there for WYPD in 2006.
                                        They're only looking for guns. I've crossed hundreds of times and never been stopped or questioned once.
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                                        • media
                                          Confirmed Moneymaker
                                          • Apr 2002
                                          • 9853

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Socks
                                          When I was taking a bus to Mexico City from Toronto (yes, I did it, 3.5 days) the guy at the Detroit border read EVERY PAGE of my notebook. He spent a good 10 minutes flipping through it. He asked me questions like "why did you write this" "who is this person" "why did you write their phone number" "what if I called this number right now" "what's all this porn stuff" etc etc etc.

                                          Then he proceeded to tell me I didn't have enough money. He asked how much money I had in my bank account. He asked me what the limit is on my visa. How much ROOM I HAD LEFT on my visa.. He said "I can't trust that this isn't maxed out"....

                                          He then told me I would never make it to Mexico, I would surely not get through the Mexican border, and that I would be "roughed up" when I got into Mexico.

                                          I did my best to just keep quiet and let him be an idiot, I just wanted to get past.
                                          You're lucky you didnt become a kidnap express victim... I'm not kidding if he asked you questions like that...

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                                          • baddog
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Apr 2001
                                            • 107089

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by escorpio
                                            They're only looking for guns. I've crossed hundreds of times and never been stopped or questioned once.
                                            I was only stopped because I was on the YP bus. That is why I took my own car in '07. And I am pretty sure they would not have approved of what I was bringing in.

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                                            • AdultB2B
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                                              • Apr 2007
                                              • 1504

                                              #23
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                                              • marketsmart
                                                HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                                • Dec 2004
                                                • 20419

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                I was only stopped because I was on the YP bus. That is why I took my own car in '07. And I am pretty sure they would not have approved of what I was bringing in.
                                                I bet you talk just to hear yourself speak.. You post the lamest shit here. I would rather get Rick Rolled than hear your ramblings...

                                                If it wasnt for the fact that you had no more than a year or two in this business, I would put you on my ignore list.

                                                Instead, I will cherish the thought of watching you die a slow internet death...

                                                Thanks for keeping me somewhat amused with your idiotic posts...

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                                                • Barefootsies
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                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                  • 42635

                                                  #25
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                                                  • Daruma
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                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                    • 3494

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                    I bet you talk just to hear yourself speak.. You post the lamest shit here. I would rather get Rick Rolled than hear your ramblings...

                                                    If it wasnt for the fact that you had no more than a year or two in this business, I would put you on my ignore list.

                                                    Instead, I will cherish the thought of watching you die a slow internet death...

                                                    Thanks for keeping me somewhat amused with your idiotic posts...

                                                    Award for best post of the day

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                                                    • StuartD
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                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                      • 29903

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                      If it wasnt for the fact that you had no more than a year or two in this business
                                                      Huh? Where do you get your facts from?
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                                                      • Rhesus
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                        • 2009

                                                        #28
                                                        I seriously don't see what purpose it serves other than harassment. It's not like you can't get cp or other digital contraband into the country in millions of other ways.

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                                                        • s9ann0
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                          • 4873

                                                          #29
                                                          http://www.truecrypt.org/

                                                          makes it realy easy to backup your work if its all in one file as well

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                                                          • Zango
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                            • 511

                                                            #30
                                                            Just tell them to NO and ask to speak to their supervisor. Refuse them access to your laptop. It will hold you up but they will let you slide.

                                                            I have done it 3 times.

                                                            Just don't deal with the peons, get the boss in there. The peons are always on a power trip.

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                                                            • Bojangles
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Apr 2007
                                                              • 5419

                                                              #31
                                                              Well aint that just crazy.

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                                                              • dav3
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2007
                                                                • 7348

                                                                #32
                                                                How long do one of these searches usually take, and what kind of person is performing the search? A lot of damage can be done by some random 'security guard' pissing around with your pc.

                                                                What happens if they do fuck up your machine. Are they held accountable, or do they just tell you tough shit in the name of national security?
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                                                                  #33
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