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  • INever
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2005
    • 4028
    #1

    Watermarking content with unique member ID?

    Does anyone know of software/script that installs a watermark unique to each premium content member?

    So if a member downloads a pdf, movie, image, etc?, it is trackable back to that specific member.
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    • Webmaster Advertising
      So Fucking Banned
      • Sep 2003
      • 1360
      #2
      I'm not aware of anything like that but I'd be interested in learning about it too.

      Failing there being an existing product to do this, if you'd like to have something custom coded using your existing CMS and members management system, shoot us an email

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        • Kolargol
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2003
          • 1319
          #3
          I think Borked mentioned something like this a while ago.

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            • HomerSimpson
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              • Sep 2005
              • 13826
              #4
              visible or invisible (water)marking of photos?

              it could be possible but it would create high loads on server if watermarking is on the fly... or lots of diskspace to keep all different watermarks... You could also add IP and date and time when the picture was displayed/previewed...
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                • HomerSimpson
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                  • Sep 2005
                  • 13826
                  #5
                  for JPEG - it could be stored as watermark or in EXIF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchang...ge_file_format)
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                    • Webmaster Advertising
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                      • Sep 2003
                      • 1360
                      #6
                      I'm talking to our programming team about this now, server load is an issue but there are workarounds... The biggest issue will be once content is on the torrents, how to identify / find the embedded ID to track it back to the original user of the website, especially if it has been resized or re-encoded.

                      If we could develop this and license it out, what would content owners be willing to pay for the program, which would be server based, one-time fee?

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                        • DamianJ
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                          • Jul 2006
                          • 15808
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Webmaster Advertising
                          I'm talking to our programming team about this now, server load is an issue but there are workarounds... The biggest issue will be once content is on the torrents, how to identify / find the embedded ID to track it back to the original user of the website, especially if it has been resized or re-encoded.

                          If we could develop this and license it out, what would content owners be willing to pay for the program, which would be server based, one-time fee?
                          Borked has already made this, and not many were interested.

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                            • Webmaster Advertising
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 1360
                              #8
                              Originally posted by DamianJ
                              Borked has already made this, and not many were interested.
                              You have a link?

                              Not surprising though, for all the talk in the industry about pirating content and copyright theft webmasters do on the boards, very few seem to actually want to take a pro-active approach to it.

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                                • Jesse1984
                                  Web Viking
                                  • Jul 2012
                                  • 562
                                  #9
                                  Pics as mentioned, probably best with exif data, dynamic watermarking per video during a download... probably a lot more difficult.

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                                    • JamesM
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Nov 2012
                                      • 732
                                      #10
                                      more load on server unless you add a standalone server just for encoding.

                                      Fingerprinting
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                                        • pornguy
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                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 62910
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by DamianJ
                                          Borked has already made this, and not many were interested.
                                          Was his the one that required us to upload our content to his server for encoding?

                                          Someone was offering that and could not figure out why people did not want to do it.
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                                            • DWB
                                              Registered User
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 31779
                                              #12
                                              Hit up Borked.

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                                                • Why
                                                  MFBA
                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 7230
                                                  #13
                                                  it creates a lot of server load, as each image is created as its loaded. but its very possible and quite easy to do, best path would be to setup an "image server" and just do it to every image coming from the server. its really easy to add something trackable to the image, because of the way image files are structured.

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                                                    • lucas131
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                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                      • 11475
                                                      #14
                                                      i posted and explained this in big post in 2007, nobody even replied lol. have luck

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                                                        • dgraves
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                          • 2283
                                                          #15
                                                          There's a company working on this feature and they said it will be ready in a few months. I'll look for the info.

                                                          It basically embeds a unique code when the member downloads the video.
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                                                            • lucas131
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                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                              • 11475
                                                              #16
                                                              also in 2008 something was posted

                                                              http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=857350

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                                                                • FlowerKid
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                                  • 1045
                                                                  #17
                                                                  It's possible using GD and some PHP code.

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                                                                    • Webmaster Advertising
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                      • 1360
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by FlowerKid
                                                                      It's possible using GD and some PHP code.
                                                                      Indeed it is and it actually isn't that server intensive either.

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                                                                        • dgraves
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                                          • 2283
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I don't think the word "watermark" is the correct term for this. I would think in order to watermark each video with a unique "username", you would have to re-encode it each time.

                                                                          From what I'm told, the fingerprint works differently and can somehow be attached/embedded as the member is downloading the video. This won't be a 100% indicator that the person that downloaded the video uploaded it but it's pretty damn close and can at least allow you to get rid of undesirable customers.
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                                                                            • BareBacked
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                                                                              • Feb 2007
                                                                              • 3685
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by INever
                                                                              Does anyone know of software/script that installs a watermark unique to each premium content member?

                                                                              So if a member downloads a pdf, movie, image, etc?, it is trackable back to that specific member.
                                                                              What is the point?
                                                                              Going to be huge server load to encode every video for EVERY member
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                                                                                • Webmaster Advertising
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                                  • 1360
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by BareBacked
                                                                                  What is the point?
                                                                                  Going to be huge server load to encode every video for EVERY member
                                                                                  It will help those companies who utilize the software 100% identify an infringer for copyright lawsuits... Potentially millions in payouts.

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                                                                                    • pornmasta
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Jun 2006
                                                                                      • 19819
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      so no more zip files :p ?

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                                                                                        • shake
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                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                          • 4663
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          It would probably work well for file locker and "site rip" sites, but I would be surprised if the metadata would last through encoding on tube sites.
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                                                                                            • d-null
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                                                                                              • Apr 2007
                                                                                              • 13724
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              don't most pirates use stolen passwords or frauded accounts in the first place to do their siterips?

                                                                                              or if they really wanted to pay, they could just use a prepaid credit card, rip the site from a public wifi, and then torrent the heck out of the files anyways

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                                                                                                • woj
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                  • 47880
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by FlowerKid
                                                                                                  It's possible using GD and some PHP code.
                                                                                                  there is nothing challenging about doing it for images, any skilled programmer can set it up in a couple of hours... videos on the other hand require a bit of sophistication...
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                                                                                                    • Aric
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                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                      • 1209
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Fuck member ID... watermark their credit card info on the video

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                                                                                                        • selena
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                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                          • 7995
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I think that quantumx had something going along these along time ago.
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                                                                                                            • leg4
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                                                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                                                              • 4429
                                                                                                              #28
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                                                                                                                • vdbucks
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                                                                                                                  • Jul 2010
                                                                                                                  • 2773
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dgraves
                                                                                                                  I don't think the word "watermark" is the correct term for this. I would think in order to watermark each video with a unique "username", you would have to re-encode it each time.

                                                                                                                  From what I'm told, the fingerprint works differently and can somehow be attached/embedded as the member is downloading the video. This won't be a 100% indicator that the person that downloaded the video uploaded it but it's pretty damn close and can at least allow you to get rid of undesirable customers.
                                                                                                                  without actually thinking about it too much, I'd say that using a modified version of qt-faststart or equivalent that could add a metadata bit, which would be processed via a download script.. wouldn't use any server resources at all really - aside from disk space.. but you could dedicate a large tmpfs for that and have the d/l script delete the file after x amount of time (or when the download is complete... if you know how)...

                                                                                                                  Or something along those lines. Encoding full length videos, or even individual clips, on the fly would require much more than a single server for processing heh...

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                                                                                                                    • PromoterX
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                                                                                                                      • Sep 2010
                                                                                                                      • 949
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Webmaster Advertising
                                                                                                                      You have a link?

                                                                                                                      Not surprising though, for all the talk in the industry about pirating content and copyright theft webmasters do on the boards, very few seem to actually want to take a pro-active approach to it.
                                                                                                                      I'll go on a limb here that - quietly, a lot of programs would rather prefer "some" of their content on torrents, file lockers and such - you have the public doing your advertising for you! Advertising is still advertising and everyone knows that the casual porn surfer doesn't have a full siterip of the site (you think they have the patience to actually download thousands of files and movies?) and their not going to put any effort into removing site watermarks from content - so it all works to your advantage. By locking down content, there is no compelling reason for a member to stay loyal since there's a dozen or more other sites who have similar content out there and they are more than willing to take the surfers money.

                                                                                                                      Not to mention - whats to stop the actual pirates from buying a prepaid credit card with fake personal information on signup and still download and post content - watermarking account information on content just will not work - for that reason alone - and I believe that kind of person is the one you actually want to stop.

                                                                                                                      Good luck with it.

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                                                                                                                        • SKUP
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                                                                                                                          • Oct 2011
                                                                                                                          • 400
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by PromoterX
                                                                                                                          I'll go on a limb here that - quietly, a lot of programs would rather prefer "some" of their content on torrents, file lockers and such - you have the public doing your advertising for you! Advertising is still advertising and everyone knows that the casual porn surfer doesn't have a full siterip of the site (you think they have the patience to actually download thousands of files and movies?) and their not going to put any effort into removing site watermarks from content - so it all works to your advantage. By locking down content, there is no compelling reason for a member to stay loyal since there's a dozen or more other sites who have similar content out there and they are more than willing to take the surfers money.

                                                                                                                          Not to mention - whats to stop the actual pirates from buying a prepaid credit card with fake personal information on signup and still download and post content - watermarking account information on content just will not work - for that reason alone - and I believe that kind of person is the one you actually want to stop.

                                                                                                                          Good luck with it.
                                                                                                                          True, but by tracking some of them, we found some pirates and took them out or at least crippled them.

                                                                                                                          Next to that we also had some real members that uploaded just for the fun of it. One email brought them back on the right path.

                                                                                                                          Ckeck the aciuf

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                                                                                                                            • k0nr4d
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                              • 9231
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              IIRC Borked has a system for videos for this. RTMPE Streaming for the vids so the stream coulnd't be ripped and player watermarking for screen recording.

                                                                                                                              We setup something with php-gd to generate on the fly watermarks in random spots on images that had the users username, time and ip before for someone - i don't remember who though.
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                                                                                                                                • DWB
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                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 31779
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Nothing will stop piracy, but you can drastically reduce it.

                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                                                  IIRC Borked has a system for videos for this. RTMPE Streaming for the vids so the stream coulnd't be ripped and player watermarking for screen recording.


                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                                                  We setup something with php-gd to generate on the fly watermarks in random spots on images that had the users username, time and ip before for someone - i don't remember who though.
                                                                                                                                  That was us, you did that for the first CMS.

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                                                                                                                                    • grumpy
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                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 9870
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                                                                      IIRC Borked has a system for videos for this. RTMPE Streaming for the vids so the stream coulnd't be ripped and player watermarking for screen recording.

                                                                                                                                      We setup something with php-gd to generate on the fly watermarks in random spots on images that had the users username, time and ip before for someone - i don't remember who though.
                                                                                                                                      yep, that can be easily done.
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                                                                                                                                        • dgraves
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                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 2283
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SKUP
                                                                                                                                          True, but by tracking some of them, we found some pirates and took them out or at least crippled them.

                                                                                                                                          Next to that we also had some real members that uploaded just for the fun of it. One email brought them back on the right path.

                                                                                                                                          Ckeck the aciuf
                                                                                                                                          How were you tracking them?
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                                                                                                                                            • BV
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                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 10914
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              What happens when a password/ hacker steals a user/ pass, then steals the videos? (like in most cases)

                                                                                                                                              Sort of like a criminal committing a crime using a stolen car, the license plates aren't going to help much.

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