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  • TCLGirls
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2010
    • 3068

    #211
    Originally posted by Vendzilla
    The pen is mightier than the sword" is a metonymic adage coined by English author Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839 for his play Richelieu; Or the Conspiracy
    No one here is debating where the phrase "came from".

    What I am telling you is what the phrase means.

    I already told you the phrase means that communication with people, and winning their minds, is more powerful than fighting people.

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    • bronco67
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Dec 2006
      • 29032

      #212
      That press conference was nothing more than an empty husk of a human being acting like a grumpy asshole for 20 minutes. Way to go NRA.

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      • Si
        Such Fun!
        • Feb 2008
        • 13900

        #213
        Originally posted by tony286
        actually i read they had an armed guard at columbine.
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2347096.html
        Even worse? Or atleast evidence that it won't do anything?

        Kind of like putting up a barrier on a dangerous bit of road but making it out of cardboard.

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        • Si
          Such Fun!
          • Feb 2008
          • 13900

          #214
          Originally posted by Vendzilla
          The pen is mightier than the sword" is a metonymic adage coined by English author Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839 for his play Richelieu; Or the Conspiracy


          You don't know what the phrase means, and you're trying to compare a sword to a gun.

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          • Rochard
            Jägermeister Test Pilot
            • Dec 2001
            • 75733

            #215
            Originally posted by tony286
            actually i read they had an armed guard at columbine.
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2347096.html
            I heard that on the news tonight and I couldn't confirm it, and I've long since learned that you never post anything on GFY unless you've checked and doubled checked.

            Some people seem to think that having a firearm is the solution to all problems. It is not. It just means that you are armed and have the potential to fire back. It does not mean you will have the balls to fire back, and it does not mean if you fire back you will hit anything.

            Everyone thinks they are James Bond and can hit moving targets at 30 yards. Way too many people play Call Of Duty.
            Herschel Savage
            Brooklyn, NY

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            • Max Potential
              Confirmed User
              • Apr 2008
              • 1045

              #216
              Originally posted by BlackCrayon
              the more guns there are in a society the higher the chances a criminal will have one. less guns = less illegal guns = less criminals that have them. all illegal guns start out as legal guns at one point.
              Not necessarily true...

              Gun-related violent crimes drop as sales soar in Va.


              http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/lo...9bb30f31a.html

              "Gun-related violent crime in Virginia has dropped steadily over the past six years as the sale of firearms has soared to a new record, according to an analysis of state crime data with state records of gun sales."

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              • NewNick
                Confirmed User
                • Mar 2009
                • 7229

                #217
                Originally posted by Minte
                It has to do with the fact that you and your group want to ignore the fact that there are hundreds of millions of weapons in the hands of the people.

                What is your plan for that?

                How about this, I will make the offer to you and the rest of your gang in this thread to pay your plane tickets and lodging to come to the US and start collecting all those weapons that are already in the hands of the people. You will start on the south side of Chicago.

                I'll even pay you $100 cash for every gun you collect.
                This really is a non argument. Saying something is difficult is not a reason to do nothing.

                How many guns do you think there was in circulation in Europe after WWII ended ?

                If you have the political will to fix a problem, you can fix it.

                Lots of people like you thought that Obama did not have the political will to fix your healthcare system, as a second term president he now has the opportunity to fix your gun problem. I sincerely hope he fixes it for you as you dont seem to have the intelligence to see how you being manipulated by the gun industry.

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                • travs
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 1631

                  #218
                  what dafuq??

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                  • Minte
                    Babemeister
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 7081

                    #219
                    Originally posted by NewNick
                    This really is a non argument. Saying something is difficult is not a reason to do nothing.

                    How many guns do you think there was in circulation in Europe after WWII ended ?

                    If you have the political will to fix a problem, you can fix it.

                    Lots of people like you thought that Obama did not have the political will to fix your healthcare system, as a second term president he now has the opportunity to fix your gun problem. I sincerely hope he fixes it for you as you dont seem to have the intelligence to see how you being manipulated by the gun industry.

                    Another self proclaimed genius chimes in. Why are there so many intellectuals here that don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
                    You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                    • Vendzilla
                      Biker Gnome
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 23200

                      #220
                      Originally posted by Rochard
                      I heard that on the news tonight and I couldn't confirm it, and I've long since learned that you never post anything on GFY unless you've checked and doubled checked.

                      Some people seem to think that having a firearm is the solution to all problems. It is not. It just means that you are armed and have the potential to fire back. It does not mean you will have the balls to fire back, and it does not mean if you fire back you will hit anything.

                      Everyone thinks they are James Bond and can hit moving targets at 30 yards. Way too many people play Call Of Duty.
                      Funny you should say that as I have seen many cops that had terrible aim at the range.
                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                      think about that

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                      • Vendzilla
                        Biker Gnome
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 23200

                        #221
                        Originally posted by Si


                        You don't know what the phrase means, and you're trying to compare a sword to a gun.
                        You're a mental midget aren't you?
                        I stated exactly what it means, can't believe no one gets it?
                        The pen is mightier than the sword (A Sword is a weapon just like a gun is a weapon dip shit ) and in the play, the cardinal used the power of the pen to remove the power of the Musketeers. Try reading something besides a fucking cereal box shit for brains
                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                        think about that

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                        • Vendzilla
                          Biker Gnome
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 23200

                          #222
                          Originally posted by TCLGirls
                          No one here is debating where the phrase "came from".

                          What I am telling you is what the phrase means.

                          I already told you the phrase means that communication with people, and winning their minds, is more powerful than fighting people.
                          And I said anything different? Except in the original text, it was used as sarcasm in that it was used to take away the sword that protected the crown.
                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                          think about that

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                          • DWB
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 31779

                            #223
                            Originally posted by Rochard
                            I have to pay to register my car. Why don't we have to pay to register firearms?

                            Why do we need a license to drive a car, yet we don't require a license to own a firearm?
                            While it would not cut down on crime whatsoever, the money collected from licensing and registering firearms, along with a hefty tax, could possibly help pay for the security that is obviously needed in gun free zones.

                            And before any of you gun nuts start crying about gun tax, whatever you are paying for guns in the USA, we pay 2x - 5x more here in Thailand for the same gun to due their import taxes, tax on firearms in general, and mark-up based on popularity and brand. A basic 12g Mossberg 500 can run well over $1000 - $1500 USD here. Those who can afford guns here, buy them. Those who can't afford them steal them and... wait for it... make their own.

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                            • DWB
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 31779

                              #224
                              Originally posted by tony286
                              actually i read they had an armed guard at columbine.
                              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2347096.html
                              Originally posted by TCLGirls
                              Prior to the Virgina Tech shooting, the school also had a security force that was described as "like a swat team"...didn't do crap.
                              They clearly were not properly trained or prepared. If they are going to have guards, they need to be well trained, cover all entrances and exits, and be prepared at all times. This included metal detectors and security at every entry point, and roaming patrols.

                              Too much? Perhaps. But ask the parents who lost children at Shady Hook or Columbine if it would have been too much. I don't have kids in school who need to be protected, so I'm really not one to say what is enough or not. Best to ask those who lost loved ones during shootings what they think. They should be the voice of reason during these gun debates, not those who speak on behalf of the gun industry.

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                              • Si
                                Such Fun!
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 13900

                                #225
                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                You're a mental midget aren't you?
                                I stated exactly what it means, can't believe no one gets it?
                                The pen is mightier than the sword (A Sword is a weapon just like a gun is a weapon dip shit ) and in the play, the cardinal used the power of the pen to remove the power of the Musketeers. Try reading something besides a fucking cereal box shit for brains
                                Wow what a pathetic attempt to defend yourself. In your case the sword would be mightier, because you don't seem to be able to form an arguement based on facts.

                                The meaning and origin of the saying ? The pen is mightier than the sword?
                                Definitions abound, but all allude to the same principle that it is more sensible to resolve a conflict by the use of words and communication rather than by physical conflict and confrontation.

                                This saying is attributed in this form by all sources to Edward Bulwer-Lytton, 1839, from his play Richelieu.

                                Verbatim
                                ? Beneath the rule of men entirely great,
                                The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
                                The arch-enchanters wand! - itself a nothing! -
                                But taking sorcery from the master-hand
                                To paralyse the Caesars, and to strike
                                The loud earth breathless! - Take away the sword -
                                States can be saved without it!?

                                The concept of communication rather than confrontation as a method of resolving conflicts has been around for many many years, but worded somewhat differently.
                                Here are a few examples.

                                Euripides 400+ BC ? The tongue is mightier than the blade.....?

                                Prophet Muhammad ? The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr...?

                                Shakespeare 1600 ?Many wearing rapiers are afraid of goosequills?

                                Cicero ?arms yield to persuasion?

                                This, is however, not a philosophy adopted by all, as the numbers of current global conflicts bear witness to. On the other side..

                                ?Actions speak louder than words?

                                Terry Pratchett ? Only if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp?

                                General MacArthur ?Whoever thinks the pen is mightier than the sword clearly has never encountered automatic weapons?

                                I'd say you've taken the phrase out of context to be honest. Some interesting rebuttles aswell.

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