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  • halfpint
    GFY's Halfpint
    • Jun 2007
    • 15223

    #106
    Originally posted by Minte
    Ok, Mr Smart Guy..I've already said my position on guns. What's going to be your position when the next mass murder happens because the victims had no way to protect themselves?
    Guns do not stop mass murders. Guns do not stop somebody from beaking into your house.

    Just like guns did not stop farmers from being mudered over in former Rhodesia, All farmers owned both hand guns and rifles but it did not stop so many of them from being murdered.

    My dad owned a gun and it did not stop us from being burgled 5 fucking times or my mom from being mugged.

    Until you are put into a situation where somebody enters your house whether they are armed or not you have no idea how you will react or what the outcome will be, and more than likely they will kill you first no matter how many guns you own.

    The USA or South Africa or Mexico will not get any better until they take guns away from people.

    I lived in a gun culture for 18 years and I would never want to go back to living like that again.

    I am glad we now live in a country where gun crime is very very low and I dont have to have bars on the windows or high security fences and gates.

    Do yourself a favour go and live in SA and take all your guns with you and see how far it gets you if you ever get into trouble over there.

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    • Bryan G
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2005
      • 8338

      #107
      Originally posted by halfpint
      Guns do not stop mass murders. Guns do not stop somebody from beaking into your house.

      Just like guns did not stop farmers from being mudered over in former Rhodesia, All farmers owned both hand guns and rifles but it did not stop so many of them from being murdered.

      My dad owned a gun and it did not stop us from being burgled 5 fucking times or my mom from being mugged.

      Until you are put into a situation where somebody enters your house whether they are armed or not you have no idea how you will react or what the outcome will be, and more than likely they will kill you first no matter how many guns you own.

      The USA or South Africa or Mexico will not get any better until they take guns away from people.

      I lived in a gun culture for 18 years and I would never want to go back to living like that again.

      I am glad we now live in a country where gun crime is very very low and I dont have to have bars on the windows or high security fences and gates.

      Do yourself a favour go and live in SA and take all your guns with you and see how far it gets you if you ever get into trouble over there.

      Well said, I look forward to their replies.
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      • Minte
        Babemeister
        • Jun 2001
        • 7081

        #108
        Originally posted by halfpint
        Guns do not stop mass murders. Guns do not stop somebody from beaking into your house.

        Just like guns did not stop farmers from being mudered over in former Rhodesia, All farmers owned both hand guns and rifles but it did not stop so many of them from being murdered.

        My dad owned a gun and it did not stop us from being burgled 5 fucking times or my mom from being mugged.

        Until you are put into a situation where somebody enters your house whether they are armed or not you have no idea how you will react or what the outcome will be, and more than likely they will kill you first no matter how many guns you own.

        The USA or South Africa or Mexico will not get any better until they take guns away from people.

        I lived in a gun culture for 18 years and I would never want to go back to living like that again.

        I am glad we now live in a country where gun crime is very very low and I dont have to have bars on the windows or high security fences and gates.

        Do yourself a favour go and live in SA and take all your guns with you and see how far it gets you if you ever get into trouble over there.
        Idealism won't save the next group of children or shoppers or movie go'ers.
        You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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        • halfpint
          GFY's Halfpint
          • Jun 2007
          • 15223

          #109
          Originally posted by Minte
          Idealism won't save the next group of children or shoppers or movie go'ers.
          Its not idealsim its what happens when so many people own guns and life means nothing to a lot of people.

          In the last few months we lived in SA, my dad got so paranoid he ended up sleeping with the gun under his pillow and almost shot the next doors neighbours maid. He fired at her in the dark and luckily he missed.

          If thats how you want to live then so be it, but to me I would never want to live like that ever again.

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          • KillerK
            Confirmed User
            • May 2008
            • 3406

            #110
            I would say most people who own guns sleep better at night because of them, even if they never fire them.

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            • halfpint
              GFY's Halfpint
              • Jun 2007
              • 15223

              #111
              Originally posted by KillerK
              I would say most people who own guns sleep better at night because of them, even if they never fire them.
              That may well be but its a false sense of security. Out of the 5 times we got burgled 3 of them we were not at home thank god The other two we were and my dad did not even have a chance to get to his gun.

              When my mum got mugged my dad had his gun on him and did not a have chance to take it out, it happend so fast.
              Last edited by halfpint; 12-21-2012, 12:14 PM.

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              • Rochard
                Jägermeister Test Pilot
                • Dec 2001
                • 75733

                #112
                Originally posted by Minte
                Idealism won't save the next group of children or shoppers or movie go'ers.
                And arming children and Christmas shoppers will not prevent madmen from shooting people in public places.
                Herschel Savage
                Brooklyn, NY

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                • PornoMonster
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 2257

                  #113
                  Originally posted by halfpint
                  This is what we did when we found out that owning a gun did not stop us from being burgled 5 times and my mom from being mugged .. We left South Africa ..

                  The security measures in peoples homes in parts of SA are just beyond belief and even they dont stop crime and killings.

                  The USA will end up the same in the end, because most South Africans thought that guns would stop somebody from entering your house and either stealing your stuff or killing you. Guess what it doesent.

                  Our solution was to leave the country like so many South Africans have done now, Now we dont have bars on our windows, a 6 foot iron fence with spikes on the top nor security gates or a gun in the house. and you know what it was the best thing we ever did.
                  Might not of stopped them from coming in my home, but I know they would not of left on their own 2 feet.
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                  • BlackCrayon
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 19634

                    #114
                    Originally posted by PornoMonster
                    Might not of stopped them from coming in my home, but I know they would not of left on their own 2 feet.
                    or you wouldn't. the more guns there are in a society the higher the chances a criminal will have one. less guns = less illegal guns = less criminals that have them. all illegal guns start out as legal guns at one point.
                    you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                    • JP-pornshooter
                      Confirmed User
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 4007

                      #115
                      Originally posted by KillerK
                      I would say most people who own guns sleep better at night because of them, even if they never fire them.
                      people who have a gun under their pillow or their bed are afraid someone if going to enter their house UN-invited.
                      dont tell me for one second this person sleeps better than someone who feels safe in their home and neighborhood.
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                      • Minte
                        Babemeister
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 7081

                        #116
                        Originally posted by halfpint
                        Its not idealsim its what happens when so many people own guns and life means nothing to a lot of people.

                        In the last few months we lived in SA, my dad got so paranoid he ended up sleeping with the gun under his pillow and almost shot the next doors neighbours maid. He fired at her in the dark and luckily he missed.

                        If thats how you want to live then so be it, but to me I would never want to live like that ever again.
                        No, it is idealism. You think that the world would be a better place without weapons. And I do agree with that. The realism is, the world is not a nice place and it has weapons. Many millions of them.

                        After the next mass shooting occurs we can discuss it again. Do you think those victims would rather have you there with your idealism of how the world could be a better place or someone who knows how to use a weapon. Keeping in mind, those victims have a ZERO chance to start with.

                        Rochard, no one is talking about arming children. We are talking about guards or a few select teachers that do take basic firearm training.
                        You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                        • _Richard_
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 30991

                          #117
                          Originally posted by Minte
                          Idealism won't save the next group of children or shoppers or movie go'ers.
                          isn't it idealism that is attempting to just that?

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                          • PornoMonster
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 2257

                            #118
                            Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                            or you wouldn't. the more guns there are in a society the higher the chances a criminal will have one. less guns = less illegal guns = less criminals that have them. all illegal guns start out as legal guns at one point.
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                            • PornoMonster
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 2257

                              #119
                              Didn't the UK ban guns in 1997?

                              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html
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                              • Vendzilla
                                Biker Gnome
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 23200

                                #120
                                Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                                thats the thing dude.
                                are Americans really willing to pay the price for their AR?
                                (and the price is innocent people and children murdered by some loner guy who happened to be able to arm himself to the teeth with readily available AR's and ammo)

                                just so folks like you can say they are armed for the day when the poor or desolate people will up rise and so you can defend themselves.
                                i am pretty sure you can defend yourself with a handgun.


                                Here's a mini 14, it's not considered an assault style weapon


                                yet shoots the same ammo and can use the same size magazines. a little education
                                Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                think about that

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