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  • minusonebit
    So Fucking Banned
    • Feb 2006
    • 7391

    #1

    You Know What I Wonder About With Regards to SegPay?

    Why does a billing company that does business with the public by processing payments need whois privacy guard on the main domain that they use to do business with the public? Why would they not want you to know where they have their office if you whois'd them? Why would they not want you to have a phone number? Individuals might use such a service with the intent of keeping their personal information out of public reach. Thats understandable for a personal site or a site that doesn't solely exist for the purpose of facilitating financial transactions between people. But a billing company, is where they are located someone's personal information? What are they hiding?

    alpha# clear
    alpha# whois segpay.com

    Whois Server Version 2.0

    Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
    with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
    for detailed information.

    Domain Name: SEGPAY.COM
    Registrar: ENOM, INC.
    Whois Server: whois.enom.com
    Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
    Name Server: PDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET
    Name Server: PDNS2.ULTRADNS.NET
    Name Server: PDNS3.ULTRADNS.ORG
    Name Server: PDNS4.ULTRADNS.ORG
    Name Server: PDNS5.ULTRADNS.INFO
    Name Server: PDNS6.ULTRADNS.CO.UK
    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
    Status: clientTransferProhibited
    Updated Date: 20-dec-2007
    Creation Date: 18-jan-2005
    Expiration Date: 18-jan-2009

    >>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:31:06 UTC <<<

    NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
    registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
    currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
    date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
    registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
    view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

    TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
    database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
    automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
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    for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
    to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
    unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,
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    Registration Service Provided By: Enom, Inc
    Contact: [email protected]
    Visit: www.enom.com

    Domain name: segpay.com

    Registrant Contact:
    Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
    Whois Agent ([email protected])
    +1.4252740657
    Fax: +1.4256960234
    PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
    C/O segpay.com
    Bellevue, WA 98007
    US

    Administrative Contact:
    Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
    Whois Agent ([email protected])
    +1.4252740657
    Fax: +1.4256960234
    PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
    C/O segpay.com
    Bellevue, WA 98007
    US

    Technical Contact:
    Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
    Whois Agent ([email protected])
    +1.4252740657
    Fax: +1.4256960234
    PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
    C/O segpay.com
    Bellevue, WA 98007
    US

    Status: Locked

    Name Servers:
    pdns1.ultradns.net
    pdns2.ultradns.net
    pdns3.ultradns.org
    pdns4.ultradns.org
    pdns5.ultradns.info
    pdns6.ultradns.co.uk

    Creation date: 18 Jan 2005 23:29:26
    Expiration date: 18 Jan 2009 23:29:26
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  • Asthma
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    • Dec 2001
    • 682

    #2
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    • Dirty F
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2001
      • 59204

      #3
      Keith Kimmel, one of three men charged with the theft of more than $200,000 in Ameritech equipment this summer, identifies himself with Martin Luther King Jr. as he fights for consumer rights to low priced telecommunications services and free access to proprietary information about how devices work. Such ideas might be typical of people claiming to be "hackers." But Kimmel's parents suggest his alleged actions may be related to a psychiatric condition. Police arrested Keith Kimmel on July 29, along with two other Mishawaka men. Kimmel, who is president of the South Bend Hackers Club, was charged in July with two Class C felonies in connection with the break-ins.

      ---

      "That's his name ShortFuse. The group was called South Bend Hackers Group/Club or something. I still have a folder somewhere with all his details.. Remember when he was causeing shit, so i did some "research" on him. I still have that filed away somewhere hahaha.
      It was actually a personality disorder, namely narccisstic personality disorder."

      ---

      Pathological narcissism occurs in a spectrum of severity [6]. In its more extreme forms, it is narcissistic personality disorder. NPD is considered to result from a person's belief that he or she is flawed in a way that makes the person fundamentally unacceptable to others [7]. This belief is held below the person’s conscious awareness; such a person would typically deny thinking such a thing, if questioned. In order to protect themselves against the intolerably painful rejection and isolation that (they imagine) would follow if others recognised their supposedly defective nature, such people make strong attempts to control others’ view of them and behaviour towards them.

      Psychologists commonly believe that pathological narcissism results from an impairment in the quality of the person’s relationship with their primary caregivers, usually their parents, in that the parents were unable to form a healthy, empathic attachment to them. This results in the child conceiving of themselves as unimportant and unconnected to others. The child typically comes to believe that he or she has some defect of personality which makes them unvalued and unwanted [6].

      To the extent that people are pathologically narcissistic, they can be controlling, blaming, self-absorbed, intolerant of others’ views, unaware of others' needs and of the effects of their behavior on others, and insistent that others see them as they wish to be seen [4]. They may also demand certain behavior from their children because they see the children as extensions of themselves, and need the children to represent them in the world in ways that meet the parents’ emotional needs [8]. (For example, a narcissistic father who was a lawyer demanded that his son, who had always been treated as the "favorite" in the family, enter the legal profession as well. When the son chose another career, the father rejected and disparaged him.)

      These traits will lead overly narcissistic parents to be very intrusive in some ways, and entirely neglectful in others. The children are punished if they do not respond adequately to the parents’ needs. This punishment may take a variety of forms, including physical abuse, angry outbursts, blame, attempts to instill guilt, emotional withdrawal, and criticism. Whatever form it takes, the purpose of the punishment is to enforce compliance with the parents' narcissistic needs[8].

      People who are overly narcissistic commonly feel rejected, humiliated and threatened when criticised. To protect themselves from these dangers, they often react with disdain, rage, and/or defiance to any slight criticism, real or imagined [9]. To avoid such situations, some narcissistic people withdraw socially and may feign modesty or humility.

      There is a broad spectrum of pathologically narcissistic personalities, styles, and reactions -- from the very mild, reactive and transient, to the severe and inflexible narcissistic personality disorder.

      Though individuals with NPD are often ambitious and capable, the inability to tolerate setbacks, disagreements or criticism, along with lack of empathy, make it difficult for such individuals to work cooperatively with others or to maintain long-term professional achievements [10]. With narcissistic personality disorder, the person's perceived fantastic grandiosity, often coupled with a hypomanic mood, is typically not commensurate with his or her real accomplishments.

      The exploitativeness, sense of entitlement, lack of empathy, disregard for others, and constant need for attention inherent in NPD, adversely affects interpersonal relationships. Individuals with NPD frequently select as mates, and engender in their children, "co-narcissism," which is a term coined to refer to a co-dependent personality style similar to co-alcoholism and co-dependency [8]. Co-narcissists organize themselves around the needs of others. They feel responsible for others, accept blame readily, are eager to please, defer to others’ opinions, and fear being considered selfish if they act assertively.
      Last edited by Dirty F; 12-27-2007, 09:41 PM.

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      • notoldschool
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2007
        • 5687

        #4
        The Freak Is Back!!!
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        • will76
          Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
          • May 2003
          • 18037

          #5
          I think it's a valid question. Why would a billing company have domain privacy settings on their whois, you think if someone is going to be handling your money they would want to be a little more upfront and transparent with everything.

          I guess i will just be a "hater" for asking the same question.
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          • MicDoohan
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2003
            • 791

            #6
            why do you need whois protection on this domain http://www.terroristsupply.com ?

            more on keith kimmel here
            http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=795095

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            • will76
              Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
              • May 2003
              • 18037

              #7
              Originally posted by MicDoohan
              why do you need whois protection on this domain http://www.terroristsupply.com ?

              more on keith kimmel here
              http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=795095
              does he own that domain I would think the person who owns that domain would have black hawk helicopters buzzing his house non stop.

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              • JFK
                FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                • Jan 2002
                • 67369

                #8
                might as well get in here now

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                • will76
                  Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                  • May 2003
                  • 18037

                  #9
                  Originally posted by JFK
                  might as well get in here now
                  You got in before the guy and his cat with tin foil hats, congrats!!!



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                  • minusonebit
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 7391

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MicDoohan
                    why do you need whois protection on this domain http://www.terroristsupply.com ?
                    [/url]
                    You are such a fucking idiot. Welcome to my ignore list. You're in good company.

                    I do not own terroristsupply.com now and have not for years. The "people" that own it now are park page spammers. Spammers are another class of people who need whois protection because if people could actually find them someone just might take it upon themselves to put their lights out for good as a public service.
                    Last edited by minusonebit; 12-27-2007, 11:11 PM.

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                    • L-Pink
                      working on my tan
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 39151

                      #11
                      For all we know the name was originally purchased with someone's personal credit card while he was at home drunk like most of us have reserved names.
                      Who cares? Means nothing.

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                      • rowan
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Mar 2002
                        • 17393

                        #12
                        I think you have a few screws loose but I'll have to concede that you do have a point. I always wonder about large companies that are not willing to list a corporate address... why is it so secret?

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                        • Dirty F
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jul 2001
                          • 59204

                          #13
                          Originally posted by rowan
                          I think you have a few screws loose
                          A little more than a few.

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                          • MicDoohan
                            Confirmed User
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 791

                            #14
                            Originally posted by minusonebit
                            You are such a fucking idiot. Welcome to my ignore list. You're in good company.

                            I do not own terroristsupply.com now and have not for years. The "people" that own it now are park page spammers. Spammers are another class of people who need whois protection because if people could actually find them someone just might take it upon themselves to put their lights out for good as a public service.
                            yes keith spamemrs are bad news, just like thieves.....oh wait you are a thief sorry keith my bad.

                            http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=795095&page=2

                            what sort of a lunatic owns a domain called terrorist supplies? your parents must be so proud.

                            you checked out wayback on it keith? you forgot robots text keith

                            http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=795095

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                            • Paul Markham
                              Too old to care
                              • Jun 2001
                              • 52942

                              #15
                              Originally posted by will76
                              I think it's a valid question. Why would a billing company have domain privacy settings on their whois, you think if someone is going to be handling your money they would want to be a little more upfront and transparent with everything.

                              I guess i will just be a "hater" for asking the same question.
                              It's a very valid question but remember this is GFY. Following rules apply.

                              Look at the posters nick name and see if hes a "Pimpin Bro"
                              Look at his post count.
                              Look at his signature.
                              Scan the title.
                              Reply.





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                              • rogue employee
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 186

                                #16
                                This is shady indeed.

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                                • Why
                                  MFBA
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 7230

                                  #17
                                  i think its a very valid question to be honest!

                                  as a biller with thousands of peoples personal and credit card details on record, you shouldnt have anything to hide, let alone your address of business.

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                                  • minusonebit
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Feb 2006
                                    • 7391

                                    #18
                                    Or, if we need a comparison, how many mainstream banks have whois guard on their domains.

                                    I did a quick check of some well-known national banks:

                                    Registrant:
                                    Bank of America (DOM-1661276)
                                    1201 Main Street TX1-609-12-15 Dallas TX 75202 US

                                    Domain Name: bankofamerica.com

                                    Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com
                                    Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com
                                    Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com

                                    Administrative Contact:
                                    Domain Admin (NIC-14308786) Bank of America
                                    1201 Main Street TX1-609-12-15 Dallas TX 75202 US
                                    [email protected] +1.4692018544 Fax- +1.4692018308
                                    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
                                    Host Master (NIC-1535660) Bank of America
                                    2000 Clayton Rd. CA4-704-04-21 Concord CA 94520 US
                                    [email protected] +1.9256928812 Fax- +1.9256754905

                                    Created on..............: 1998-Dec-27.
                                    Expires on..............: 2012-Dec-27.
                                    Record last updated on..: 2007-Aug-26 12:10:20.

                                    Domain servers in listed order:

                                    NS1.BANKOFAMERICA.COM
                                    NS3.BANKOFAMERICA.COM
                                    NS4.BANKOFAMERICA.COM

                                    Registrant:
                                    NATIONAL CITY CORPORATION
                                    4100 West 150th
                                    Attn Joseph Wright
                                    CLEVELAND, OH 44122
                                    US

                                    Domain Name: NATIONALCITY.COM

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                                    Learn more at http://www.NetworkSolutions.com/
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                                    Administrative Contact:
                                    Wright, Joseph [email protected]
                                    National City Corporation
                                    1900 East 9th Street
                                    Cleveland, OH 44114
                                    US
                                    216-257-7839 fax: 216-257-7854

                                    Technical Contact:
                                    Sumner, Jeff [email protected]
                                    National City Bank
                                    4100 West 150th
                                    Cleveland, OH 44122
                                    US
                                    +1216-257-7891

                                    Record expires on 24-Aug-2016.
                                    Record created on 25-Aug-1995.
                                    Database last updated on 28-Dec-2007 07:35:02 EST.

                                    Domain servers in listed order:

                                    DNS01.NATIONAL-CITY.COM 161.150.129.253
                                    DNS02.NATIONAL-CITY.COM 161.150.129.252
                                    DNS03.NATIONALCITY.COM 161.150.197.252

                                    Registrant:
                                    JPMorgan Chase & Co. (DOM-1444222)
                                    201 North Walnut Street Mail Suite DE1-0175
                                    Wilmington DE 19801
                                    US

                                    Domain Name: chase.com

                                    Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com
                                    Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com
                                    Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com

                                    Administrative Contact:
                                    Domain Administrator (NIC-14460179) JPMorgan Chase & Co.
                                    201 North Walnut Street Mail Suite DE1-0175
                                    Wilmington DE 19801
                                    US
                                    [email protected]
                                    +1.3022821773
                                    Fax- +1.3022821660
                                    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
                                    Domain Administrator (NIC-14460179) JPMorgan Chase & Co.
                                    201 North Walnut Street Mail Suite DE1-0175
                                    Wilmington DE 19801
                                    US
                                    [email protected]
                                    +1.3022821773
                                    Fax- +1.3022821660

                                    Created on..............: 1995-Oct-11.
                                    Expires on..............: 2008-Oct-10.
                                    Record last updated on..: 2006-Dec-29 23:43:41.

                                    Domain servers in listed order:

                                    NS1.JPMORGANCHASE.COM
                                    NS2.JPMORGANCHASE.COM
                                    NS05.JPMORGANCHASE.COM
                                    NS06.JPMORGANCHASE.COM

                                    Registrant:
                                    Wells Fargo & Company
                                    (DOM-304416)
                                    420 Montgomery St
                                    San Francisco
                                    CA
                                    94104
                                    US

                                    Domain Name: wellsfargo.com

                                    Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com
                                    Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com
                                    Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com

                                    Administrative Contact:
                                    Bill Richter
                                    (NIC-1468956)
                                    Wells Fargo & Company
                                    201 N. Sunrise Ave.
                                    MAC A0701-022
                                    Roseville
                                    CA
                                    95661
                                    US
                                    [email protected]
                                    +1.4158083158
                                    Fax- -
                                    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
                                    William Martin
                                    (NIC-1594502)
                                    Wells Fargo & Company
                                    201 N. Sunrise Ave.
                                    MAC A0701-022
                                    Roseville
                                    CA
                                    95661
                                    US
                                    [email protected]
                                    +1.4158083158
                                    Fax- -

                                    Created on..............: 1993-Apr-28.
                                    Expires on..............: 2013-Apr-29.
                                    Record last updated on..: 2007-Jan-19 15:38:43.

                                    Domain servers in listed order:

                                    NSF.WELLSFARGO.COM
                                    NSG.WELLSFARGO.COM
                                    NSH.WELLSFARGO.COM


                                    Hmm, not really a widespread industry practice in the financial industry... now what might I be missing here?

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                                    • MaDalton
                                      I am Amazing Content!
                                      • Feb 2004
                                      • 39861

                                      #19
                                      because the Segpay office had the same address as the Ibill office


                                      there's a thread where that is adressed somewhere
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                                      • BradM
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2003
                                        • 3397

                                        #20
                                        I don't like you Keith, but this is a very good question.

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                                        • MaDalton
                                          I am Amazing Content!
                                          • Feb 2004
                                          • 39861

                                          #21
                                          http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=7482002&postcount=1

                                          in

                                          http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...ghlight=segpay
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                                          • MaDalton
                                            I am Amazing Content!
                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 39861

                                            #22
                                            btw - i still think you are an idiot
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                                            • will76
                                              Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 18037

                                              #23
                                              Posted on: 3/7/05:

                                              Originally posted by chodadog

                                              I don't even know what this suggests, but i also think it's interesting that one of the other sites hosted on the same IP as toccata.com (Which we know is run by the same people that run Inteca) is segpay.com, which appears to be a european third party biller. Opened their doors on the 5th of Feb, 2005. Interesting timing. Then they partnered with Inteca.org on 14th of February. Again, interesting timing.

                                              So what do we have here. We have a new IPSP that was setup by a former iBill employee who is now the CEO of Toccata and is the domain registrant of Inteca.org at the same time that they are becoming an escrow agent for iBill's EU funds. 3rd party? Seems like a stretch.

                                              http://www.segpay.com

                                              No address on their website. No phone number. WHOIS is privacy protected. Seems strange for an IPSP, no?
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                                              • Dollarmansteve
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • May 2005
                                                • 2849

                                                #24
                                                Maybe they don't want some psychopathic loser coming to their office.
                                                I died.

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                                                • evildick

                                                  #25
                                                  Has anyone bothered to look at the Contact Us page?

                                                  http://segpay.com/contactus.asp

                                                  Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., Apollonos 26, P.C. 1514, Nicosia, Cyprus

                                                  Contact Address: Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., 3111 N. University Dr. Suite 705, Coral Springs, FL 33065, USA

                                                  Doesn't sound like they are hiding too hard, if they have their addresses listed on a contact page.



                                                  Idiots.
                                                  Last edited by Guest; 12-28-2007, 07:50 AM.

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                                                  • JFK
                                                    FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                    • 67369

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by evildick
                                                    Has anyone bothered to look at the Contact Us page?

                                                    http://segpay.com/contactus.asp

                                                    Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., Apollonos 26, P.C. 1514, Nicosia, Cyprus

                                                    Contact Address: Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., 3111 N. University Dr. Suite 705, Coral Springs, FL 33065, USA

                                                    Doesn't sound like they are hiding too hard, if they have their addresses listed on a contact page.



                                                    Idiots.

                                                    HELL , NO, much easier to create drama

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                                                    • pip
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                      • 468

                                                      #27
                                                      You are really asking for it you know.

                                                      You fail at life

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                                                      • MaDalton
                                                        I am Amazing Content!
                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                        • 39861

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by evildick
                                                        Has anyone bothered to look at the Contact Us page?

                                                        http://segpay.com/contactus.asp

                                                        Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., Apollonos 26, P.C. 1514, Nicosia, Cyprus

                                                        Contact Address: Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., 3111 N. University Dr. Suite 705, Coral Springs, FL 33065, USA

                                                        Doesn't sound like they are hiding too hard, if they have their addresses listed on a contact page.



                                                        Idiots.
                                                        Originally posted by JFK
                                                        HELL , NO, much easier to create drama

                                                        read the post above - it might be interesting
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                                                        • will76
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                                                          • May 2003
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                                                          #29
                                                          Lets see if we can play connect the dots:

                                                          Originally posted by chodadog
                                                          So, Inteca is going to come along and help Ibill out. Inteca's website just happens to be on the same IP as Toccata's website. And Toccata's address just happened to be the same as IBill's address before they changed their website?
                                                          What the fuck? Nice find...


                                                          Originally posted by chodadog
                                                          "02/05/2005

                                                          Toccata Ltd, a U.K. financial services company, is launching a new subsidiary Segregated Payments. Segregated Payments (SegPay), a Gibraltar company, will operate as an IPSP initially for European merchants and intends to partner with Toccata, Inteca and other leading ecommerce service providers to expand into other regions before year end."

                                                          Who then partnered with INTECA to handle payments to clients earlier this month (14th Feb 2005). Does anyone actually believe these are seperate companies?

                                                          And does anyone else find it curious that at a time when all the shit has hit the ibill fan, a company that used to have the same address as them has just set up a brand new european IPSP?
                                                          So Toccata's address was the same as Ibill's at one time.
                                                          Toccata announces that it is launching a new subsidiary, SegPay.
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                                                          • will76
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by evildick
                                                            Has anyone bothered to look at the Contact Us page?

                                                            http://segpay.com/contactus.asp

                                                            Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., Apollonos 26, P.C. 1514, Nicosia, Cyprus

                                                            Contact Address: Segregated Payments Ltd. Reg., 3111 N. University Dr. Suite 705, Coral Springs, FL 33065, USA

                                                            Doesn't sound like they are hiding too hard, if they have their addresses listed on a contact page.



                                                            Idiots.

                                                            are you really that stupid ? no one was saying they didn't post their location on the internet. This was about their whois, which I think questions what was going on at the time of the registration and what they wanted to hide. Apparently no one has bothered to update the whois info since then. I see no reason why they have to hide something now but at the time of the registration apparently they did, if not why else would they put whois privacy on it ??
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                                                            • will76
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Webby
                                                              BTW Toccata Ltd... a UK based company where the principal is Chris Williams... is also Toccata Inc... where Williams is also the principal. And.. Tocatta Inc is based at.... guess!

                                                              2200 SW 10th St.
                                                              Deerfield Beach,
                                                              FL 33442
                                                              ......................

                                                              Originally posted by whatif_3
                                                              exact same address as ibill:

                                                              Internet Billing Company, Ltd., 2200 SW 10th Street, Deerfield Beach, FL 33442-7622, Fax. 954.363.4401, and Tel. 954.363.4400.

                                                              (http://ibill.com/about/privacy.cfm)

                                                              tocata = inteca = ibill

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                                                              • evildick

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by will76
                                                                are you really that stupid ? no one was saying they didn't post their location on the internet. This was about their whois, which I think questions what was going on at the time of the registration and what they wanted to hide. Apparently no one has bothered to update the whois info since then. I see no reason why they have to hide something now but at the time of the registration apparently they did, if not why else would they put whois privacy on it ??

                                                                Maybe the simplest possibility is the answer and nothing was shady at all?

                                                                My registrar puts whois privacy on automatically when you first register a domain whether you want it or not.

                                                                If you want to listen to the ramblings of what some people are claiming is a thief with mental problems, then go ahead.

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                                                                • candyflip
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                                                                  • Jul 2002
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  They may able to redeem themselves with regards to NATS, but I don't think too many people will be touching TMM/SegPay as a result of all this. I was ready to get on board, but have canned that idea.

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                                                                  • MaDalton
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                                                                    • Feb 2004
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    if i may add: no company is really located on cyprus, it's always just postboxes
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                                                                    • will76
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by evildick
                                                                      Maybe the simplest possibility is the answer and nothing was shady at all?

                                                                      My registrar puts whois privacy on automatically when you first register a domain whether you want it or not.

                                                                      If you want to listen to the ramblings of what some people are claiming is a thief with mental problems, then go ahead.
                                                                      thats highly unlikely and it doesn't explain why a company that wants to process transactions wouldn't go in and put their information in if that was the case.

                                                                      no need to try to spin it, i don't give a shit who is asking the questions. Anyone can go to the whois and see for themselves that the domain never had an address or name attached to it. I am sure some bros will run in to say that it doesn't mean anything and they will try to spin it more. With all the ibill connections, ex ibill employees and how segpays parent company having had used the same address as ibill at one time, i think my questions are valid.
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                                                                      • evildick

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by will76
                                                                        thats highly unlikely and it doesn't explain why a company that wants to process transactions wouldn't go in and put their information in if that was the case.

                                                                        no need to try to spin it, i don't give a shit who is asking the questions. Anyone can go to the whois and see for themselves that the domain never had an address or name attached to it. I am sure some bros will run in to say that it doesn't mean anything and they will try to spin it more. With all the ibill connections, ex ibill employees and how segpays parent company having had used the same address as ibill at one time, i think my questions are valid.
                                                                        I normally don't care who's asking the questions either. But when the person that is asking the questions has been reported to have an amazon book list like this:
                                                                        LINK

                                                                        with such recommendations as: "Out of Business: Force a Company, Business or Store to Close Its Doors For Good! by Dennis Fiery"

                                                                        Keith Kimmel says:
                                                                        "This is an exceptional book on grinding an ax with your least-favorite companies. Full of advice on starting rumors and much, much more."

                                                                        then perhaps it's time to start ignoring them.

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                                                                        • tony299
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                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                          • 57021

                                                                          #37
                                                                          I wouldnt go near segpay with 10ft pole. If they were the only processor left, I would take checks and get a day job.

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                                                                          • Kimmykim
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                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                            • 16015

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by will76
                                                                            thats highly unlikely and it doesn't explain why a company that wants to process transactions wouldn't go in and put their information in if that was the case.

                                                                            no need to try to spin it, i don't give a shit who is asking the questions. Anyone can go to the whois and see for themselves that the domain never had an address or name attached to it. I am sure some bros will run in to say that it doesn't mean anything and they will try to spin it more. With all the ibill connections, ex ibill employees and how segpays parent company having had used the same address as ibill at one time, i think my questions are valid.
                                                                            I think your questions are valid, but I'm sure you'll be the next witch on the block if you keep talking.

                                                                            I don't even know this Keith Kimmel character, but the Salem, err, GFY, Witch Trial is enough to turn my stomach and root for him.

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                                                                            • will76
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                              I think your questions are valid, but I'm sure you'll be the next witch on the block if you keep talking.

                                                                              I don't even know this Keith Kimmel character, but the Salem, err, GFY, Witch Trial is enough to turn my stomach and root for him.
                                                                              lol i've already received a few icqs about it and was told I " have issues".

                                                                              I just quote what people have said 90% of the time, but i still get the absuse but no worries I am use to it.
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                                                                              • czarina
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                                                                                • Jul 2002
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                may be they dont want to show the real name of their owner. I dont blame them

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                                                                                • [ScreaM]
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                                                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                                                  • 1664

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Good thread, onebit.

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                                                                                  • Phil
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                                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                                    • 7659

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    who let this nut case out???
                                                                                    Ask Phil

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                                                                                    • Kimmykim
                                                                                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                      • 16015

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by will76
                                                                                      lol i've already received a few icqs about it and was told I " have issues".

                                                                                      I just quote what people have said 90% of the time, but i still get the absuse but no worries I am use to it.
                                                                                      Yeah, thats usually a problem for people, when they type shit on the internet and then forget what they typed. Quotes can make life hell ;)

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                                                                                      • 2012
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                                                                                        • Jul 2006
                                                                                        • 17189

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        maybe they are just little hiders. shame on them
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                                                                                        • seeric
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                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                          • 41917

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                          because the Segpay office had the same address as the Ibill office


                                                                                          no shit?

                                                                                          thats scary.

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                                                                                          • pocketkangaroo
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                                                                                            • Jan 2005
                                                                                            • 8452

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                            no shit?

                                                                                            thats scary.
                                                                                            http://www.smutpeddlerblog.com/archives/00000070.htm

                                                                                            Not sure who owns that blog, but interesting to say the least.

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                                                                                            • check
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                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                              • 315

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              some group ready to fuck the whole adult business.(again!)
                                                                                              thanks god we found it early.
                                                                                              thanks you minusonebit.

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                                                                                              • minusonebit
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                                                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                                                • 7391

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Back up to the top. Still no change on their Whois, of course.

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                                                                                                • pip
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                                                                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                                                                  • 468

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Who cares what their whois says

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                                                                                                  • rowan
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                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                    • 17393

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    A response from Segpay would be interesting... although this one is probably going to get lost in the 50 other TMM threads that minusonebit has recently started.

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