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12-22-2007, 02:36 PM

strict constructionalism <<<<<<<<<< original intent

people who believe in strict construcitonalism are usually wayyyy over to the far right. things don't add up when some of these same people are pornographers. something tells me you guys lost your way.

i'm done arguing with you wacko's. the polls tell me this guy doesn't have a chance in hell. now i can sleep better at night.

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12-22-2007, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Young

dude i wrote this so heatedly that i lost my way. sorry if it didn't make sense to a bunch of you. i know 90% of you probably probably don't know what hte fuck im talking about anywyas. your just bandwagon hoppers who read the front page of cnn.com once a week and pretend to know the issues.

If that were true we wouldnt be back Paul idiot.

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12-22-2007, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Young

strict constructionalism <<<<<<<<<< original intent

people who believe in strict construcitonalism are usually wayyyy over to the far right. things don't add up when some of these same people are pornographers. something tells me you guys lost your way.

i'm done arguing with you wacko's. the polls tell me this guy doesn't have a chance in hell. now i can sleep better at night.

Let me guess the bed you sleep on is all because of the department of education and the sheets and pillow cases were paid for by welfare. Mr Needy.

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12-22-2007, 02:56 PM

I love when politicians talk about values, politics is a game that makes porn look wholesome.
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12-22-2007, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Young

i'm done arguing with you

lol.... Sure....

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12-22-2007, 06:28 PM

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I completely understand what the fuck this is about. Do not talk to me about the fucking Constitution. Do not make assumptions that I want to "change" the Constitution. I got a ba in legal studies at umass amherst focused my undergrad towards prelaw and hit 172 on lsat's and was a heartbeat away from law school but put it off to make money and pay bills. Do not dismiss me as a fucking moron who does not know what they are talking about.

Ron Paul and other wackos want to use strict construtionism when law is decided. How fucking wacko is that? Are you telling me that we are supposed to follow the letter of the constitution to a "T" even though the world has evolved and so has society's standards? 200 years later??? Computer manuals are irrelevant in a week...and we are supposed to follow a 200 year old document to a T?

Guys like Ron Paul want to have their cake and eat it too. No where in the document does it say that gays can't marry, and women can't choose...but they will tell you that those things shouldn't happen. It's these fucking wackos who believe that the Constitution is an enduring document that should never ever ever ever change who will assure that we will never see these issues resolved before we die.

Lets not even get into the seperation of church and state...which again is nowhere in the constitution. Big cluster fuck that that is.

The constitution is a living document. It should evolve with the countries ever evolving moral standards, business, technology, etc etc etc. Strict adherence to it is fucking stupid. It's a foundation that should be built upon. Orignal Intent is better suited in interpreting the constitution.

dude i wrote this so heatedly that i lost my way. sorry if it didn't make sense to a bunch of you. i know 90% of you probably probably don't know what hte fuck im talking about anywyas. your just bandwagon hoppers who read the front page of cnn.com once a week and pretend to know the issues.

You are only half as smart as you believe you are. Do you really believe the founding fathers' original intent was to have the budget deficits we do, the foreign policy we have, and the cradle to grave big brother government we have? If so, you seriously failed in your endeavor and you need to study early US and pre-revolutionary war history.

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12-22-2007, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

You are only half as smart as you believe you are. Do you really believe the founding fathers' original intent was to have the budget deficits we do, the foreign policy we have, and the cradle to grave big brother government we have? If so, you seriously failed in your endeavor and you need to study early US and pre-revolutionary war history.

Just let it go man, they don't get it...

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12-22-2007, 07:02 PM

I guess so. It's not that people can't disagree, that's fine. But to make pseudo-intellectual arguments based on ignorance annoys me. Why can't they just tell the truth- they believe in big government and most Americans need government ruling their lives. I can buy that instead of the "constitution sucks" bs.

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12-22-2007, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

You are only half as smart as you believe you are. Do you really believe the founding fathers' original intent was to have the budget deficits we do, the foreign policy we have, and the cradle to grave big brother government we have? If so, you seriously failed in your endeavor and you need to study early US and pre-revolutionary war history.

this country had a federal budget deficit of 75,000,000.00 from its first day which is well over 1 trillion dollars in todays dollars and i would guess that if contrasted with the GDP then and today, it is probably right on par with todays deficit.

let it go man. its not that you are wrong in your convictions, its that you desperately want to prove a subjective arguments to be fact (i.e. defending your preferrence for president).

why not just say "here's what i believe and why"... isn't that enough?

why keep making silly arguments that make little sense.. and continue arguing with people that SOOOOO CLEARLY arent going to agree with you.

furthermore, pushing the issue with the attitude that ANYONE who doesnt agree with you just "doesn't get it" does nothing to get your point across.

just some food for thought.
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12-22-2007, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

this country had a federal budget deficit of 75,000,000.00 from its first day which is well over 1 trillion dollars in todays dollars and i would guess that if contrasted with the GDP then and today, it is probably right on par with todays deficit.

"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our selection between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat in our drink, in our necessities and comforts, in our labors and in our amusements, for our callings and our creeds...our people.. must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live.. We have not time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow suffers. Our landholders, too...retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must...be contented with penury, obscurity and exile.. private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance.

This is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering... And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in it's train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson

I can give you dozens of other quotes by founding fathers and their thoughts on public debt and deficits. I stand by my original statement.

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let it go man. its not that you are wrong in your convictions, its that you desperately want to prove a subjective arguments to be fact (i.e. defending your preferrence for president).

Subjective arguments? Maybe. Arguing that the us constitution is not an outdated document and holds as much merit today as it did 230 years ago is an argument worth having.

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

why not just say "here's what i believe and why"... isn't that enough?

why keep making silly arguments that make little sense.. and continue arguing with people that SOOOOO CLEARLY arent going to agree with you.

furthermore, pushing the issue with the attitude that ANYONE who doesnt agree with you just "doesn't get it" does nothing to get your point across.

just some food for thought.

I don't mind discussing issues. But the anti Paul folks have NOT produced any logical points. It is just namecalling and smearing. Why cant "they" just admit that they WANT government to take care of the people and they want larger, more intrusive government. The argument "I am a product of government schools" that was laid down is what?

Please point out the SUBJECT parts of the debate, because I just don't see many. Either you want governmet to control your life, every aspect of it, or you dont. Maybe you consider that statement subjective, but then therein lies the whole debate.

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12-22-2007, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

blah blah blah...... Taxation follows that, and in it's train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson

I can give you dozens of other quotes by founding fathers and their thoughts on public debt and deficits. I stand by my original statement.

really?

so... to prove your point about this disturbing notion of the infalibility of the "founding fathers" and your interpretation of what you think their vision was for the future... you quote the guy who first used the phrase "all men are created equal" who also had like 200 black slaves?

really?

do you at least... kinda... just a little bit... sorta ... maybe get my point?
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12-23-2007, 12:49 AM

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Yes because things never ever ever ever change. 2,000 years from now they should still follow the Constitution.

You are an idiot.
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12-23-2007, 02:58 AM

I think maybe after all my observations, that PleasurePays is a goddamn motherfucking idiot....................

No other way to put it really......

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12-23-2007, 02:59 AM

And I was talking to Young earlier about namecalling and mudslinging, but damn, I don't give a fuck.... PleasurePays you are one piece of shit for real...

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12-23-2007, 04:01 AM

ron paul is a jackass
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12-23-2007, 04:37 AM

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"great for porn" doesn't automatically mean "great for the country"

Actually it's a damn good start when you consider the alternative.

Bad for freedom automatically means bad for this or any civilized country.

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12-23-2007, 08:35 AM

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And I was talking to Young earlier about namecalling and mudslinging, but damn, I don't give a fuck.... PleasurePays you are one piece of shit for real...

translation: "my arguments and points are weak and have very little to no merit and i hate being put in my place, so i just get angry"
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12-23-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

really?

so... to prove your point about this disturbing notion of the infalibility of the "founding fathers" and your interpretation of what you think their vision was for the future... you quote the guy who first used the phrase "all men are created equal" who also had like 200 black slaves?

really?

do you at least... kinda... just a little bit... sorta ... maybe get my point?

Yup, I get your point, do you? You believe that the constitution is not important. I disagree. I could go into detailed reasons why it is just as important today as it was back then, but I don't think you could possibly grasp the concept.

It is not a knock on your intelligence. You have been conditioned governments' role is to nurture its citizens. Many people feel as you. Heck, I would feel that way if I thought government could actually "take care of us". But it can't. It's not efficient enough to be effective. The US political system is for sale to the highest bidder.

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12-23-2007, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by charlie g

Yup, I get your point, do you? You believe that the constitution is not important. I disagree. I could go into detailed reasons why it is just as important today as it was back then, but I don't think you could possibly grasp the concept.

It is not a knock on your intelligence. You have been conditioned governments' role is to nurture its citizens. Many people feel as you. Heck, I would feel that way if I thought government could actually "take care of us". But it can't. It's not efficient enough to be effective. The US political system is for sale to the highest bidder.

of course i agree that the constitution is important. you have to say dumb shit like that because you have nothing of substance to say... and that, my friend is why supporters of Ron Paul lose the greater audience.

we are not talking about "the constitution" and debating its "importance" .... we are talking about your strict interpretation of what you believe the forefathers intended, many centuries into the future. most of which is subject to interpretation to the extent that the courts continually have to debate and decide what the intentions were.

the funniest thing is that i agree with you for the most part in principle. but, like Ron Paul, you guys go so far in your arguments and ideas that you alienate yourself and your views from common people. Thats why so few outside of the young, newly independent, untraveled, innexperienced and woefully naive college campuses of the States can get on board with him.

right or wrong is irrelevant if so few can get behind you. in fact, as Clinton once said, people under pressure are more willing to support someone who is a strong leader and wrong, than a weak leader who is right.

you guys do nothing more than push people towards better leaders who are wrong.

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and let me clarify something for you. you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about what i believe. you just can't seem to grasp the fact that i have not been attacking the ideas... but the way they are presented. thats the problem. thats why Ron Paul will never be anything more than a few funny quotes and soundbites in the news about actual candidates who have a chance. thats why he gets very little media coverage. because whether you like it or not, he's not a serious candidate, he can't be elected and in fact, he is not even attempting to be nominated. he's just doing the ralph nader thing. it can be argued that has its place as well but it also, very clearly changes absolutely nothing in the big scheme of things.

People supporting Ron Paul are often just like people supporting the legalization of marijuana. there is no rational basis for the criminalization of marijuana... the problem is that those who care enough to do anything about it, although might have very strong arguments are the EXACT WRONG people to try to present those arguments to the mainstream in a manner which might be accepted.
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12-23-2007, 12:17 PM

I vehemently disagree with the "living document" view of the constitution. The essence of mankind and the institutions we create do not change even though our technology advances. What was true about Roman and Grecian governance was true in the 18th century and true now. People may not want to hear it, but it still needs to be said.

And to people attacking Ron Paul and his kooky supporters, that's ok. RP is funny looking, he speaks strangely, he definitely does not have all the answers. But at some point it has got to stop. We can not continue to print money and throw it away. These bills are going to come due and this country will eventually have painful choices to make. We can't continue to promise generations we are going to take care of them. Since none of the other candidates want to take up these issues, what is it you suggest? Ride the tide and grip the raft, wait till someone "mainstream"-"looks presidential" champions the cause? Exactly how would you present the ideas to make them more palatable?

I have attacked no one. I am not trying to convince anyone to vote for Ron Paul. If you have heard his message and you agree with it great. If you have heard the message and disagree great too. If you haven't heard the message then you need to. However, I will continue to respond to inaccuracies when I see them because they need to be addressed. I will try to keep my point focused, though from now on.

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12-23-2007, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

Please point out the SUBJECT parts of the debate, because I just don't see many. Either you want governmet to control your life, every aspect of it, or you dont.

wow, that's a pretty stupid thing to say. No wonder you don't get it.
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12-23-2007, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

I vehemently disagree with the "living document" view of the constitution. The essence of mankind and the institutions we create do not change even though our technology advances.

Right. Because the answers to 18th century problems will absolutely fit the issues we're looking at today without fail.
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12-23-2007, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by dig420

Right. Because the answers to 18th century problems will absolutely fit the issues we're looking at today without fail.

Well stated. Even you get it! Way to add to the conversation simp.

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12-23-2007, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by dig420

wow, that's a pretty stupid thing to say. No wonder you don't get it.

forgive my typos. When I don't agree with someone I always look for spelling and grammatical errors too. WTG

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12-23-2007, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

What was true about Roman and Grecian governance was true in the 18th century and true now.

Really? Did Ron Paul teach you that?
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12-23-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

Well stated. Even you get it! Way to add to the conversation simp.

Not positive, because dig and I don't always see eye-to-eye on politics, but I am pretty sure he meant to add </sarcasm> at the end of that comment.

At least I hope so.
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12-23-2007, 05:07 PM

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Really? Did Ron Paul teach you that?

No, but human nature hasn't changed.

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12-23-2007, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

I vehemently disagree with the "living document" view of the constitution. The essence of mankind and the institutions we create do not change even though our technology advances. What was true about Roman and Grecian governance was true in the 18th century and true now. People may not want to hear it, but it still needs to be said.

so you are what?.... against the 27 times the Constitution has been amended? Something about the Bill of Rights that you find disagreeable?

The Constitution IS a living document. It can be changed and modified and has been 27 times. its not a question of agreeing with whether or not its true... its a verifiable and obvious fact that its true.

you seem to just ramble at times and make up weird shit.

no wonder Ron Paul stands no chance.
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12-23-2007, 07:16 PM

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so you are what?.... against the 27 times the Constitution has been amended? Something about the Bill of Rights that you find disagreeable?

The Constitution IS a living document. It can be changed and modified and has been 27 times. its not a question of agreeing with whether or not its true... its a verifiable and obvious fact that its true.

you seem to just ramble at times and make up weird shit.

no wonder Ron Paul stands no chance.

Hey smart guy Ron Paul is all about amendments, because amendments are constitutional.

didnt you watch meet the press today? Please educate yourself before inserting thy foot in thy fly trap.

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12-23-2007, 07:28 PM

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Hey smart guy Ron Paul is all about amendments, because amendments are constitutional.

didnt you watch meet the press today? Please educate yourself before inserting thy foot in thy fly trap.

wasn't i talking about amendments?

do you need a translater?

how else is the constitution amended?

by putting frogs in a blender and drinking them in a secret Masonic ceremony?

i should have watched meet the press?

huh? really?

thats your argument now?

no one should have an opinion unless they watched one more interview with Ron Paul explaining how he would like to totally dissasemble the federal government, pull out of the UN, close all overseas bases and so on?

did he say something new on Meet the Press genius?

Poor Ron Paul... he wants to be the protest vote guy, go out and make his points and the PaulTards are really blowing it for him.
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12-23-2007, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

wasn't i talking about amendments?

do you need a translater?

how else is the constitution amended?

by putting frogs in a blender and drinking them in a secret Masonic ceremony?

i should have watched meet the press?

huh? really?

thats your argument now?

no one should have an opinion unless they watched one more interview with Ron Paul explaining how he would like to totally dissasemble the federal government, pull out of the UN, close all overseas bases and so on?

did he say something new on Meet the Press genius?

Poor Ron Paul... he wants to be the protest vote guy, go out and make his points and the PaulTards are really blowing it for him.

hey Mr Spin, you insinuated Ron Paul was against Amending the constitution and I was just making sure you understood that he believes amedments are constitutional. In my statement about meet the press i was insinuating that you get all your info from main stream media (which is evident with all your posts) so you must have seen meet the press. I have also come to the conclusion you cannot read well either.

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12-23-2007, 08:04 PM

BTW your sigs are really creepy.

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12-23-2007, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

so you are what?.... against the 27 times the Constitution has been amended? Something about the Bill of Rights that you find disagreeable?

The Constitution IS a living document. It can be changed and modified and has been 27 times. its not a question of agreeing with whether or not its true... its a verifiable and obvious fact that its true.

you seem to just ramble at times and make up weird shit.

no wonder Ron Paul stands no chance.

Pleasure, people like you are the reason he does not stand a chance. You have no balls and would rather vote for someone that "can win". I have not made up anything weird, but your incessant commentary trying to belittle my opinions makes you look weak and nutty. It is exactly from people like you we keep getting "the lesser of 2 evils".

The constitution can and has been changed, you are right about that. I mentioned the bill of rights in this forum before. But in order to make those changes, they have to be ratified by the states' legislatures. None of the 3 federal branches can just change the constitution when they feel like doing so. In that regard, the constitution is not a living document to be changed by congress or the potus as needed, which was in the context we were speaking (federal powers regarding the constitution).

There was a reason the framers drafted it in this manner. So that the states could balance the power of the federal government with the will of the people. Of course long ago states rights, and therefore the peoples rights were usurped by the US government.

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12-23-2007, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by notoldschool

hey Mr Spin, you insinuated Ron Paul was against Amending the constitution and I was just making sure you understood that he believes amedments are constitutional. In my statement about meet the press i was insinuating that you get all your info from main stream media (which is evident with all your posts) so you must have seen meet the press. I have also come to the conclusion you cannot read well either.

Its a little ironic that you would accuse me of poor reading skills, when you jump into the middle of a conversation with both guns blazing and have zero idea whats being discussed or talked about. Let me help you one more time... and bear in mind, that i am usually not real patient with the mentally challenged, but your blind passion in spite and fearlessness in expressing your own ignorance has touched me in a way few posters do.

so.... i was addressing the remark "I vehemently disagree with the "living document" view of the constitution."

had nothing to do with you at all.

done. it wasn't about Ron Paul at all or Meet the Press or AIDS in africa.

i wasn't insinuating anything other than the fact that The Constitution is in fact a living document that is subject to change and what greece did, what rome did etc has nothing to do with anything in the USA in 2007 and anyone that knows anything about Greece and Rome knows that the rule of law and human rights were real high priorities in between burning villages, slaughtering and raping people and taking slaves.

so again... and like usual.... you really have no arguments of substance so you have to keep insisting that anyone who dissagrees with your views is jsut "brainwashed"

"sheeple" is a word which only serves to provide refuge to the ignorant.

So... now i get my info "from the mainstream media" as if Meet the Press is a Soviet Think Tank in Lithuania and can only be seen on the Official State Channel of Our Glorious Leader of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea

I don't expect intelligent commentary from you. "Ron Right or Wrong" seems to be the theme with you. there is no discussion. As i keep saying ... the problem isn't as much with Ron Paul as it is with Paultards like yourself.
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12-23-2007, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

Pleasure, people like you are the reason he does not stand a chance. You have no balls and would rather vote for someone that "can win". I have not made up anything weird, but your incessant commentary trying to belittle my opinions makes you look weak and nutty. It is exactly from people like you we keep getting "the lesser of 2 evils".

i respect your opinions... that can't be said of you and the opinions of others though.... right? everyone that doesnt agree with you is flawed according to you. those who don't think like you are "brainwashed" by the media, or just "don't get it"... this is the common theme of Ron Pauls supporters... yet you can't understand why the message has so little support? "if you don't agree with me, you're an asshole that has no balls" isn't exactly an effective way to communicate a serious message and affect change.

at least a tiny bit realistic. he keeps saying himself that he is overwhelmed and totally suprised and caught off guard by the success he has so far. "people like me" have nothing to do with him getting the nomination or not. he never intended to... he isn't trying to.

you accuse me of having no balls? really? again... you have ZERO idea what i believe in, who i support, who i would like to see be president. NONE. ZERO.

you think i'm trying to belittle your opinons? i respect your opinion. your opinion is "about people like me" and peppered with insults and attacks both sublte and overt as well... so stop being a child.

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12-23-2007, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

Its a little ironic that you would accuse me of poor reading skills, when you jump into the middle of a conversation with both guns blazing and have zero idea whats being discussed or talked about. Let me help you one more time... and bear in mind, that i am usually not real patient with the mentally challenged, but your blind passion in spite and fearlessness in expressing your own ignorance has touched me in a way few posters do.

so.... i was addressing the remark "I vehemently disagree with the "living document" view of the constitution."

had nothing to do with you at all.

done. it wasn't about Ron Paul at all or Meet the Press or AIDS in africa.

i wasn't insinuating anything other than the fact that The Constitution is in fact a living document that is subject to change and what greece did, what rome did etc has nothing to do with anything in the USA in 2007 and anyone that knows anything about Greece and Rome knows that the rule of law and human rights were real high priorities in between burning villages, slaughtering and raping people and taking slaves.

so again... and like usual.... you really have no arguments of substance so you have to keep insisting that anyone who dissagrees with your views is jsut "brainwashed"

"sheeple" is a word which only serves to provide refuge to the ignorant.

So... now i get my info "from the mainstream media" as if Meet the Press is a Soviet Think Tank in Lithuania and can only be seen on the Official State Channel of Our Glorious Leader of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea

I don't expect intelligent commentary from you. "Ron Right or Wrong" seems to be the theme with you. there is no discussion. As i keep saying ... the problem isn't as much with Ron Paul as it is with Paultards like yourself.

WTF? Make sense much?

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12-23-2007, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by notoldschool

WTF? Make sense much?

i'm sorry for the big words and analogies and rhetorcal remarks... you were probably expecting pictures so you could follow along with the group.

my bad
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12-23-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

i'm sorry for the big words and analogies and rhetorcal remarks... you were probably expecting pictures so you could follow along with the group.

my bad

Hey now, you might hurt my feelings. I dont mean to change the subject but my low level intelligence does not let me comprehend what the fuck you got going on there with puppy pleasure and 15 year old virgins? I mean I heard of fetish but that shit is scary.

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12-23-2007, 08:45 PM

Pleasure, it's your caustic replies- insinuations that "Paultards" are brainwashed and kooks that give you away. I don't need to know anymore than what you have written that you are having a ball poking fun at Paul supporters.

I call you ball-less because you wrote you agreed with some of what he's for. If that is true, then you could not in good conscience vote for ANY of the other candidates (my opinion). I have no problems with those that profess the need and love for larger more intrusive federal government. At least those people are honest. And that, in a nutshell, is the choice in this election(my opinion). I am glad we finally have an option.

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12-23-2007, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

Pleasure, it's your caustic replies- insinuations that "Paultards" are brainwashed and kooks that give you away. I don't need to know anymore than what you have written that you are having a ball poking fun at Paul supporters.

I call you ball-less because you wrote you agreed with some of what he's for. If that is true, then you could not in good conscience vote for ANY of the other candidates (my opinion). I have no problems with those that profess the need and love for larger more intrusive federal government. At least those people are honest. And that, in a nutshell, is the choice in this election(my opinion). I am glad we finally have an option.

Merry Christmas

sure i agree with some of what he stands for. I agree with a lot of it... in my opinion however, this is where you totally derail in your logic... because i agree with some of what they ALL stand for. as do most voters.

you characterize what should be a very complex dicision where peoples primary concerns, as represented in the platforms of candidates, as being very black and white issue and express dismay when others can't see it as black and white. its not black and white for everyone... its black and white for you, because you believe in who YOU feel is the best choice to address the issues that YOU feel are most important.

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12-24-2007, 04:58 AM

and now we know why our govt is fucked... because there are idiots voting.
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12-24-2007, 02:43 PM

Personally I'm supporting Dennis Kucinich. Out of all the candidates I really think he is the only one with the countries best interests at heart. Ron Paul believes that there should be no corporate oversight on corporations. To me this is frightening. I do like some of what Paul has said, but over all I just don't see how he can be the one to pull the nation together and put it back on the right track.
Here is a link I got from the Dennis Kucinich site that you can use to "pick your candidate" http://www.dehp.net/candidate/
The questions I think bring up some good points. What really is important in this upcoming election.
Oh and by the way... Down with the Elector College.

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12-24-2007, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

No, but human nature hasn't changed.

I never realized there was a Roman government in the 18th Century.
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12-24-2007, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by charlie g

I call you ball-less because you wrote you agreed with some of what he's for. If that is true, then you could not in good conscience vote for ANY of the other candidates (my opinion).

Hold on . . . so if I agree with some of what a candidate says I have to vote for him?

How many votes do I get anyway?
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12-24-2007, 06:27 PM

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I never realized there was a Roman government in the 18th Century.

Our form of government is a representative republic which was modeled after the roman republic. Our framers were students of classical history of greek democracy and roman republican government. Either you know that or you don't and I don't care. Merry Christmas and drink lots of eggnog friend.

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12-24-2007, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by DivaShane

Personally I'm supporting Dennis Kucinich. Out of all the candidates I really think he is the only one with the countries best interests at heart. Ron Paul believes that there should be no corporate oversight on corporations. To me this is frightening. I do like some of what Paul has said, but over all I just don't see how he can be the one to pull the nation together and put it back on the right track.
Here is a link I got from the Dennis Kucinich site that you can use to "pick your candidate" http://www.dehp.net/candidate/
The questions I think bring up some good points. What really is important in this upcoming election.
Oh and by the way... Down with the Elector College.

If i hadnt switched to Republican i would have voted for him.

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12-24-2007, 07:12 PM

wow.... just vote for ron paul people
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12-24-2007, 07:20 PM

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12-24-2007, 07:24 PM

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anyone who votes for a religious fundamentalist who wants to put them in jail is far worse than a retard.

Fundamentalists of one ilk name calling fundamentalists of another ilk are just as bad.

Yes, this is squarely aimed at you... You are a fundamentalist.
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12-24-2007, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by DivaShane

Personally I'm supporting Dennis Kucinich. Out of all the candidates I really think he is the only one with the countries best interests at heart. Ron Paul believes that there should be no corporate oversight on corporations. To me this is frightening. I do like some of what Paul has said, but over all I just don't see how he can be the one to pull the nation together and put it back on the right track.
Here is a link I got from the Dennis Kucinich site that you can use to "pick your candidate" http://www.dehp.net/candidate/
The questions I think bring up some good points. What really is important in this upcoming election.
Oh and by the way... Down with the Elector College.

I would just like to point out that DK wants to broaden the scope and intrusion of government If you are comfortable with that then he is a fine choice.

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