Texas Petition to Secede Reaches Threshold

Any state the size of Texas, with the tax base, population and economy Texas has could easily replace any Federal services. Do you think all the soldiers and other Federal employees would leave the state if something like this happened?

That's the logic equivalent of saying that small countries such as most of Europe and the rest of the World for that matter can not exist without the financial and personnel support of a population as large as the rest of the US. It's ridiculous.

The demand for Federal services would scale to the size of the population needing it and besides, Texas pays a hell of lot more into the Federal coffers than it gets back in direct services needed by the population. Having spent most of my adult life working on Government and Defense projects I can tell you with no doubt that most Federal budgets are used to create jobs performed by people who are incompetent and assisted by several other people just as incompetent.
Q. How many Feds does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Millions -
The EPA to make sure the light bulb can be changed safely and will be replaced by a safe bulb, The IRS to collect the money to pay for the new bulb and the salaries of all the Feds involved, the Congress, Senate and Executive branch to add the bulb and labor to the Federal budget, the Federal Reserve to print the money, the World Bank to loan the Reserve the money at 80 percent interest (and the rest of us to pay Taxes to cover their salaries and most excellent health benefits).

At some point the left and whoever else in this country revised history so they could teach liberals and minorities that the civil war wasn't fought over slavery. That's the exact equivalent of saying porn models don't fuck for money.

The official reason Lincoln called up volunteers and attacked the South (in response to Fort Sumter, a situation Lincoln and his staff made sure happen to provide justification, the same exact reason Davis allowed the attack to happen by the way) was in response to the first set of states leaving the Union.

What's missed is the reason why those states left and the fact that Lincoln had spent his entire campaign running on an abolitionist platform. The timing of the confederacy was just prior to Lincoln taking office. Hell, Lincoln even crossed over from being a Democrat to running as a Republican because the Democratic party of that time was the party of the pro-slavery movement.

No way is every fought for a single reason, there were financial reasons for both sides taking the actions they took. The other reason for the states seceding was the legislation that made the new states (Kansas, etc) either non slave states or states which would have to decide on their own. The wealthiest members of Southern Society were not the planters, they were the slavers and they had big plans for the expansion of their industry to the Western frontier.

So no, ending slavery was not an initial "War goal" for the North but it WAS planned all along and Lincoln only waited for the right moment to begin the ball rolling with the emancipation proclamation (which only affected the confederate states). He was smart enough to know the issue had to be given in small doses to prevent a reaction that might have torn the North apart.

Anyway, the point is the parallels to past history are very interesting. The original secession was in reaction to Lincoln's election - these online petitions (though useless in terms of accomplishing their stated goals) are a direct reaction to the re-election of Obama.

The left and Obama's big fans will call this racism, as usual. While there are probably a few people motivated by that anyone attributing it as the primary cause is fooling themselves. This is about people trying to make a statement about the fact that the system no longer represents their interests. Obama has been a continuation of a much larger and longer planned agenda, there's very little difference between the elected results no matter which party they come from.

Ignoring these voices is a big mistake. They are like an iceberg barely visible above water, for every person who signed one of these there are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands more.

It's just too bad Americans are too lazy to actually create real change be it within the system or otherwise.

Excellent post. Actually we would all be better off if the 10th amendment was properly enforced. The fact is that the larger the population and area that a central government controls, the less representative it becomes. If you show up with 100,000 people to protest at the state government, you can really make a difference, if you show up with 1,000,000 people at the federal government, they hardly notice that you were there.

We would all be better off if this was just a loose confederation of states that each had soverenty and we could chose from the state that most matched our own wishes and viewpoints, a "free market" of states, if you will. This was the purpose of the 10th amendment, but it was eroded down to nothing at this point.



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Thats scary from a guy who is a banking expert lol

20 states have submitted petitions. Not all just southern as NY, NJ and Oregon are in the mix as well.

People are fed up with the elite in this country making decisions without voting and when voting comes they are bought or rigged.

My friends outside US say it appears to them that our leadership is trying to create another China WITHOUT the communist BS.
NO welfare state system. You get what you make. - Imagine the chaos coming. LOL.
- A few elite at the top and the rest little more than a slave class. Something I have been saying for years. The new amnesty coming amounts to just another step in that direction.

why do you guys hate the texians?

Why Tony? Don't you want to be able to have the government reflect the things that YOU believe in?

Seriously, what kind of bullshit is that? Do I want my government to reflect the things I believe in? Why, yes, yes I do. But my neighbor wants the government to reflect the things he believes in, and those aren't the same things I believe in.

Texas can leave the US today and they still won't have the government they want - Because everyone believes in different things, wants different things, and has different needs from their governments.

Not the first time. Will not be the last time.



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Does anyone actually think this will happen? or is this just a PR stunt by Perry?

This is about people trying to make a statement about the fact that the system no longer represents their interests. Obama has been a continuation of a much larger and longer planned agenda, there's very little difference between the elected results no matter which party they come from.

Ignoring these voices is a big mistake. They are like an iceberg barely visible above water, for every person who signed one of these there are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands more.

It's just too bad Americans are too lazy to actually create real change be it within the system or otherwise.

These are getting close too

Georgia has 20,931

Louisianna has 29.000

Tennesse has 19, 870

Recount the election has 39,338 lol

In all seriousness though what effect would this have on the US if states started to break away and become independent

Good points, but I would adjust a bit.

This is about a group of shrinking demographics trying to make statement that the system no longer represents them.

A system that also happens to be moving closer towards many of the viewpoints shared by the rest of the civilized world. While these voices are the tip of the iceberg, it is a melting iceberg with no cold weather in site.

Blue and Red states are just shockingly obvious to look at. Blue states are contact points with the world at large. Every person is different. But it's hard to argue that your average North Dakotan has the breadth or depth of the world that your average New Yorker does. That's ok, that is the world he or she cares about, but it is still a limited view in an increasingly global community.

I don't think Americans are lazy and change is happening. The GOP is mortally wounded right now and it will take the better part of a decade for them to pivot. The bigger chunk of America did vote, and they are changing. They are only lazy if they are changing in the way you and a minority of people want it to. If that is so, then you bitterness is clear.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

BUT...I've been to New York many, many times. I'd say that the "average" New Yorker has less "world view" than the average North Dakotan! lol

Now the elite of New York have a very big world view. But once you leave the nice areas of New York City you are dealing with people who fight over a city block for God's sakes.

They are far, far from being jet setting, knowledgeable people in those areas. And even in the "safe" areas of New York City...I wouldn't say the guy selling me a hot dog or slinging a beer at the bar knows anything about what's going on in this world other than the Yankees, Giants, and Jets.

Texas has no state income tax. Texas takes more than they give. I know your pundits say other wise but there are little stupid things your gov does that you dont think about. Like the food or medicine you take is pretty safe that's not magic. When you fly chances are you are going to not crash. This all costs money and just doesnt fall from heaven. Another one is texas banks would no longer be federally insured. That whole nasty liberal thing so you dont lose all your money if a bank goes under. I can go on and on. They want to go they should let go. Its a good time for this, puerto rico voted to become a state. So then the number stays the same and we dont have to change all the flags. Texas is saving us money already.

Texas would almost certainly be hit with very tough Iran-style trade sanctions with the US, EU and most of their allies. They would be essentially cut off from international trade and banking and would have to develop their own domestic industries from scratch and rely solely on their domestic Texas market and resources.

Why would the U.S. do that? LOL!

They are legally asking to secede (they won't be allowed to by the way). And if they did, they would be the closest ally in the world to the U.S.

They didn't say they were declaring war. lol

Well, you have to assume that the social conservatives would be given free reign to enact their fantasy theocracy in Texas, possibly even Apartheid type policies so they could expect similar sanctions on human rights grounds.

Texas would not be a terribly important ally. What do they offer in return? Nothing. They ironically would be offer more to China and Russia. So much for escaping the socialists.

The whole conversation is silly anyways but it's fun to talk about and speculate I guess.

Well, you have to assume that the social conservatives would be given free reign to enact their fantasy theocracy in Texas, possibly even Apartheid type policies so they could expect similar sanctions on human rights grounds.

Texas would not be a terribly important ally. What do they offer in return? Nothing. They ironically would be offer more to China and Russia. So much for escaping the socialists.

The whole conversation is silly anyways but it's fun to talk about and speculate I guess.

Does anyone actually think this will happen? or is this just a PR stunt by Perry?

Many Texans would like to see the immigration papers for all those Californians moving here.

Interestingly enough I was just looking it up and in 2000 after Bush won the election 20 different states filed the petition to secede. It looks like the same group of people petition after every election.

So it's basically the same bunch of idiots each time.

What does it take for one of the these petitions, twenty-five thousand? There's twenty-five fucking million people in Texas. It's safe to say that twenty-five thousand of them are legally mentally retarded.