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  • MaDalton
    I am Amazing Content!
    • Feb 2004
    • 39861
    #51
    Originally posted by Sly
    I'm not really all that convinced of this. I am not a China and Russia fearmonger. I don't think a war would happen easily. It would take a lot. But discounting the sheer size of the Chinese military (we can't forget India and North Korea, they are strong Chinese allies with massive militaries as well) doesn't make sense to me. And the willingness of Russians military cannot be discounted either.

    Even so. We don't need a war with China or Russia to need a large military. The "war" in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven this. You split up your forces and you have serious, serious problems.

    All it would take is a battle of some sort in South America, which is totally possible, and a battle of some sort in Africa/Asia, again totally possible. Now you have troops, supplies, equipment, commanders, and logistics 20,000 miles away from each other.

    I'm all for technology. I want more of it. And I want it better. But shrinking our 1.4 million strong military does not make that much sense to me. Which of our allies has a similar military size? Any of them?

    Now let's talk about our "non-allies." China, over 2 million. India, over 1 million. Iran, 500,000. North Korea, over 1 million. Russia, over 1 million.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tary_personnel
    Click the down arrow by active military.

    Of the top 10, the only other Western ally is Korea, and their size is only a third of ours.

    ok, let's agree we disagree on this

    i just think that nowadays economic ties are much stronger than a disagreement that causes a world war that involves millions of soldiers (which can easily ended by using nuclear weapons and then we're all fucked anyways).

    just think about it:

    without China Walmart would be half empty and you have no fancy Apple products

    without India who will do your callcenters?

    Russia is a huge exporter of gas and oil - without the western world buying it, their economy will collapse

    there is no way to untie this without the whole world economy collapsing and everyone going back to stone age - and no one is going to risk that over some disagreement about some borders or something like that.
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      • baddog
        So Fucking Banned
        • Apr 2001
        • 107089
        #52
        Originally posted by DWB
        I doubt a "massive" military is really needed. A large one, one capable of defending the nation, is all that is needed. We don't need over 100 bases around the world. History has already shown us how that ends,
        Guess I missed it, how does it end?

        If the USA just focused on defending itself, as did everyone else, the world would be a much better place. But that's not going to happen anytime soon,
        I can't argue with you there, but it seems everyone expects the USA to defend the underdog and whenever we don't get involved everyone gets up in arms that we are just sitting idly by.

        Can't win for losing.

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          • Sly
            Let's do some business!
            • Sep 2004
            • 31378
            #53
            Originally posted by MaDalton
            ok, let's agree we disagree on this

            i just think that nowadays economic ties are much stronger than a disagreement that causes a world war that involves millions of soldiers (which can easily ended by using nuclear weapons and then we're all fucked anyways).

            just think about it:

            without China Walmart would be half empty and you have no fancy Apple products

            without India who will do your callcenters?

            Russia is a huge exporter of gas and oil - without the western world buying it, their economy will collapse

            there is no way to untie this without the whole world economy collapsing and everyone going back to stone age - and no one is going to risk that over some disagreement about some borders or something like that.
            We aren't really disagreeing, I agree with you on China and Russia. It would take a lot, but I don't believe that it's "not" possible.

            However, like I said, Iraq and Afghanistan. That killed our military. Two wars is tough, and both of those wars were against countries with a crippled or nonexistent economy and military. Fire up two more wars like that, three, we have the same problem.

            We already have proof of this within the last 12 years. I'm not sure how anyone can deny the need based on the proof we have just seen.

            Now we can go on to say "so just don't have two wars!"? It's impossible to predict the future. I would rather be prepared. I believe we can do it cheaper, so I'm definitely not opposed to budgetary cuts. I'm fine with size though.
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              • Sly
                Let's do some business!
                • Sep 2004
                • 31378
                #54
                North Korea. Definitely possible.

                Iran. Definitely possible.

                That's a 3 million strong military right there, defending their home turf may as well triple the power of those 3 million.
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                  • MaDalton
                    I am Amazing Content!
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 39861
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Sly
                    North Korea. Definitely possible.

                    Iran. Definitely possible.

                    That's a 3 million strong military right there, defending their home turf may as well triple the power of those 3 million.
                    North Korea - we all know how this ended last time

                    Iran - i doubt you can deploy 1 million foot soldiers there and win anything

                    Iraq - the war was built on a lie and we all know that now

                    Afghanistan - if there was ever something to learn from Russia then that you cant win a war there

                    i think the basic solution is: leave others alone that want to be left alone

                    but i also know that this only works in a dream world.
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                      • Sly
                        Let's do some business!
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 31378
                        #56
                        Originally posted by MaDalton
                        North Korea - we all know how this ended last time

                        Iran - i doubt you can deploy 1 million foot soldiers there and win anything

                        Iraq - the war was built on a lie and we all know that now

                        Afghanistan - if there was ever something to learn from Russia then that you cant win a war there

                        i think the basic solution is: leave others alone that want to be left alone

                        but i also know that this only works in a dream world.
                        I prefer to be realistic.
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                          • helterskelter808
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 3405
                            #57
                            We spend almost as much on the military as the rest of the world put together, including our allies. If we include friendly countries, we probably account for 90% of the world's military power. Where the fuck is the threat that you lunatics are imagining?

                            The reason countries in Europe don't spend as much on the military as we do is not because we spend so much, it's because they don't go around invading other countries any more. It's That. Fucking. Simple.

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                              • mce
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 3915
                                #58
                                Originally posted by DWB
                                It will end when the money ends. Not a day sooner.
                                Quoted for Truth

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                                  • helterskelter808
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Sep 2010
                                    • 3405
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                    How is this a dream world [...]

                                    This is actually why I like Obama. He tells the [...] Israelis, hey, we got our own problems and if you don't like it GFY.
                                    BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Now THAT is a fucking dream world.

                                    Seriously, dude, don't smoke quite so much crack before you post in future.

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                                      • MaDalton
                                        I am Amazing Content!
                                        • Feb 2004
                                        • 39861
                                        #60
                                        everyone likes Canadians - it's not that this would be an insult ;)
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                                          • SilentKnight
                                            Megan Fox's fluffer
                                            • Oct 2005
                                            • 24812
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                            I was talking to a Canadian friend last night. He chuckled about what I said, but in the end he agreed.

                                            The allies of the United States like to make fun of our military might. They think we are warmongers. They think we care only about violence. They think we don't care about our people. They think we would rather kill others then feed families. They make fun of our massive military budget.

                                            It's true. Our military budget is insane. Our military is very large. Our military technology is quite good. Our military training is very good. We have military bases all around the world.

                                            Our focus on military allows our allies to spend less on their military. They can spend their money on social programs, a variety of domestic programs, a variety of aid programs, so on and so forth? for their own countries. And that's all fine, no problem.

                                            When shit hits the fan? Not if? When? There are going to be a lot of phone calls to one particular Defense Department. It's not going to be Canada. It's not going to be the United Kingdom. It's not going to be France. It's going to be the United States.

                                            I'm not knocking the militaries of Canada, the United Kingdom, and France? We train with them, they are allies. We simply have a better set up. And sure, all of those guys will get called in to the battle as well, but there will be a ringleader. We can all laugh and giggle and deny it all we want? But deep down, we know who that ringleader is going to be.

                                            So, allies of the United States? When you need our help, don't worry. We will forget that you chastise our military nonstop. We will forget that you spend less on your defense because we spend more. We will forget that you think we are evil warmongers. We will be there, don't worry. Sure, we might want oil, we might want infrastructure contracts, we might even want your damn trees... but hey, we will be there. And when that time comes, you won't care.

                                            Yes. I am an arrogant American, but you know I'm right. ;-)
                                            Dear 'Ringleader':

                                            It depends on what measuring stick you're using.

                                            Canada entered WWII in Sept./1939 - the U.S. in Dec./1941...two years after Canada had declared war on Germany.

                                            During the course of the war 730,000 Canadian men and women served in the army, 260,000 served in the air force and 115,000 served in the navy. Canadians distinguished themselves at several theaters of the war most notably at Dieppe in France in 1942, the invasion of the Italian peninsula in 1943, the liberation of the Netherlands and the Allied invasion of German occupied France from Normandy in 1944.

                                            From June/1940 to July/1941 Britain stood alone against Germany and without Canadian assistance likely would have fallen to German forces.
                                            The battle of the Atlantic was largely the responsibility of Canada. The UK was heavily involved as well, but the US was largely absent from this theatre until very late in the war.

                                            Before you let your American 'arrogance' run away with itself - don't forget Kasserine Pass in Tunisia where American troops ran like rabbits and had to rescued by British and French troops.

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                                              • baddog
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Apr 2001
                                                • 107089
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by JohnnyClips
                                                What about the millions of native americans slaughtered?
                                                How many millions?

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                                                  • Sly
                                                    Let's do some business!
                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                    • 31378
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                    Dear 'Ringleader':

                                                    It depends on what measuring stick you're using.

                                                    Canada entered WWII in Sept./1939 - the U.S. in Dec./1941...two years after Canada had declared war on Germany.

                                                    During the course of the war 730,000 Canadian men and women served in the army, 260,000 served in the air force and 115,000 served in the navy. Canadians distinguished themselves at several theaters of the war most notably at Dieppe in France in 1942, the invasion of the Italian peninsula in 1943, the liberation of the Netherlands and the Allied invasion of German occupied France from Normandy in 1944.

                                                    From June/1940 to July/1941 Britain stood alone against Germany and without Canadian assistance likely would have fallen to German forces.
                                                    The battle of the Atlantic was largely the responsibility of Canada. The UK was heavily involved as well, but the US was largely absent from this theatre until very late in the war.

                                                    Before you let your American 'arrogance' run away with itself - don't forget Kasserine Pass in Tunisia where American troops ran like rabbits and had to rescued by British and French troops.
                                                    Did you get upset and do a quick lookup on Wikipedia for the Canadian contributions to World War II? I'm looking right now and all of your bullet points are in a very similar order.

                                                    I'm not going to belittle the contribution that those men made, so arguing back and forth over this is silly. If you believe that when a Western country gets in trouble they will be placing their first call to Canada, so be it.
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                                                      • SilentKnight
                                                        Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                        • 24812
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                        Did you get upset and do a quick lookup on Wikipedia for the Canadian contributions to World War II? I'm looking right now and all of your bullet points are in a very similar order.

                                                        I'm not going to belittle the contribution that those men made, so arguing back and forth over this is silly. If you believe that when a Western country gets in trouble they will be placing their first call to Canada, so be it.
                                                        Upset, nah. Too old and been around the block too many times to let a simple post bother me.

                                                        I'm not entirely arguing - I agree with some of the points you made...and likewise not belittling the U.S. (Americans need little help making themselves look bad )

                                                        I merely felt the desire to reflect on the significant effort and sacrifice Canada has made in past generations when it comes to war.

                                                        I think it was a line from Braveheart - "History is written by those who would hang heroes" - and all too often the U.S. is quick to write revisionist history in an attempt to take more share of the credit than is often due.

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                                                          • SilentKnight
                                                            Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                            • Oct 2005
                                                            • 24812
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                            In short, if the Russians didn't take out the 6th army, your German would be excellent by now.
                                                            Was lässt Sie denken, dass ich nicht deutsch bin?

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                                                              • Sly
                                                                Let's do some business!
                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                • 31378
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                Upset, nah. Too old and been around the block too many times to let a simple post bother me.

                                                                I'm not entirely arguing - I agree with some of the points you made...and likewise not belittling the U.S. (Americans need little help making themselves look bad )

                                                                I merely felt the desire to reflect on the significant effort and sacrifice Canada has made in past generations when it comes to war.

                                                                I think it was a line from Braveheart - "History is written by those who would hang heroes" - and all too often the U.S. is quick to write revisionist history in an attempt to take more share of the credit than is often due.
                                                                I absolutely do not deny that many countries help in every conflict. I mentioned that specifically because I do not feel it is right to leave others out when so many die for any war.
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                                                                  • PornoStar69
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Oct 2008
                                                                    • 2069
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Tell him he got scammed big time
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                                                                      • RKLover
                                                                        A B User
                                                                        • Dec 2007
                                                                        • 256
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by JohnnyClips
                                                                        Where's your evidence for this other than western propaganda?

                                                                        What about the millions of native americans slaughtered?

                                                                        Even the Spaniards did not slaughter "millions of Native Americans". They did not intend to, they intended to enslave these "lesser heathen" people.

                                                                        But Smallpox and other diseases the Europeans brought to America was the real killer. That's why the Spaniards started bringing slaves from Africa. They needed labor to replace all the dead Native Americans. The Africans the Arabs sold them were resistant to disease.

                                                                        More recently, between 1860 and 1890, the white mans diseases killed 90% of the Native Hawai'ian population. (These numbers should give you a better idea of what really happened to the Native Americans) The U.S.A occupied Hawai'i because they were afraid Japan would - as Russia, France and Britain had done in the past.
                                                                        Last edited by RKLover; 11-10-2012, 05:53 PM.
                                                                        There is no excuse for ignorance, yet it still remains a powerful force.

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                                                                          • RKLover
                                                                            A B User
                                                                            • Dec 2007
                                                                            • 256
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                                            ..and before your Canadian arrogance runs away with itself. 45,000 Canadian died in WW2 as your numbers say 730k Canadians served. Well, I got news for you, 1 million Soviet soldiers died in "the" battle of Stalingrad wiping out the German Sixth Army, the most feared army in the world at the time.

                                                                            In short, if the Russians didn't take out the 6th army, your German would be excellent by now.
                                                                            Actually, the Soviets reported closer to 479,000 Russian soldiers died at Volgagrad. That included 13,500 Russian troops that were executed during the course of the battle by the Soviets "Special Detatchments", also known as SMERSH.

                                                                            Since the Battle of Staingrad did not begin until August 1942, well after the U.S.A. joined the war, the threat of Germany invading England was well past. Not that their was much economic or strategic gain in doing so.

                                                                            The only reason Hitler took a shot at Russia was because Stalin had executed over 60% of his Officer Corp before the war. When Russia could not even successfully invade Finland, Hitler smelled an opportunity to eliminate Stalin and seize the Caucasus Oil fields
                                                                            Last edited by RKLover; 11-10-2012, 06:24 PM.
                                                                            There is no excuse for ignorance, yet it still remains a powerful force.

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                                                                              • helterskelter808
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Sep 2010
                                                                                • 3405
                                                                                #70
                                                                                ^ The threat of invasion for Britain was over by late 1940/early 1941, long before we joined, which is the only reason we raped Britain with Lend Lease, and why Hitler turned his attention to the USSR.

                                                                                Previously we had to rape Britain of their gold, commercial assets in the US and intellectual property, because we didn't think we'd be repaid when their democratic way of life was going to be extinguished by the most evil tyranny on Earth; something we didn't give a single shit about. Hell, our companies, including IBM, GM, Ford and Standard Oil were happily aiding the Nazis.

                                                                                Still, let's pretend that didn't happen and jerk off some more about how we saved the universe at D-Day.

                                                                                As for Russia, every fucking thing they received from their best friend Hitler was self-inflicted.
                                                                                Last edited by helterskelter808; 11-10-2012, 07:01 PM.

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                                                                                  • johnnyloadproductions
                                                                                    Account Shutdown
                                                                                    • Oct 2008
                                                                                    • 3611
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                    We'll never see anything like WWI and WWII again - thankfully. The numbers of lives lost in both is staggering, absolutely staggering. As bloody and horrific as they were they were also glorious and magnificent spectacles of the worst and best in men and why we still have so much interest and admiration for those who fought in them.

                                                                                    We aren't the same people anymore, soldiers are coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq more fucked up in the head than in far more bloody more recent wars in Vietnam and Korea.

                                                                                    I will watch Patton again tomorrow - he's one of my all time great heroes, flawed as he was. The greatest general the world has ever seen, took over the US Third Army in 1944 after almost being kicked out of the military for slapping and kicking a couple of soldiers he deemed cowards. Under his leadership the Third Army advanced farther, captured more enemy prisoners, and liberated more territory in less time than any other army in history.

                                                                                    If you've never watched the movie, download it, it's a masterpiece and a history lesson.
                                                                                    I think we haven't seen anything in terms of Armageddon. What will happen in the next few hundred years or sooner is some kind of bio weapon will get releases or terrorist will do a coordinated nuke attack. 9/11 isn't as damaging as what can happen.
                                                                                    If you understand physics you know that you can fit all the necessary components for a nuke in a small brief case. Hopefully it doesn't happen when I'm alive.
                                                                                    Another thing is we need to start colonizing mars and other planetoids soon that way we don't have all our eggs in one basket.
                                                                                    It will happen, it just takes a few or one clever person that has an evil agenda and patience.

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                                                                                      • johnnyloadproductions
                                                                                        Account Shutdown
                                                                                        • Oct 2008
                                                                                        • 3611
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                                                        ..and before your Canadian arrogance runs away with itself. 45,000 Canadian died in WW2 as your numbers say 730k Canadians served. Well, I got news for you, 1 million Soviet soldiers died in "the" battle of Stalingrad wiping out the German Sixth Army, the most feared army in the world at the time.

                                                                                        In short, if the Russians didn't take out the 6th army, your German would be excellent by now.
                                                                                        Yeap, Russia suffered the most casualties by a margin.
                                                                                        http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com...statistics.asp

                                                                                        or

                                                                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

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                                                                                          • GAH
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jul 2010
                                                                                            • 88
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                            I think saving Europe three times in the span of one lifetime is enough for even the greatest nation. Next time the Germans or Russians come calling try going it alone.
                                                                                            Obviously the rest of the world owes a continued huge debt to John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, Indiana Jones et al, for winning the World Wars and that the huge sacrifices made by Britain, France, Russia, Poland, China, Ethiopia, all of Europe, Malta, Burma, CANADA and most other countries cannot compare to the the pain the American people went through at the same time, the huge civilian casualties they suffered, the starvation, the rape of their country. I would suggest a lot of people go onto YouTube and watch the fantastic BBC documentary, The Nazis: A Warning From History. Imagine if what happened at Pearl Harbour was an every day occurrence throughout America and that Twin Towers was happening in every city, that it continued for a whole year. That's sacrifice. It's Remembrance Sunday today, the scars are still there for many.
                                                                                            Last edited by GAH; 11-11-2012, 12:41 AM.

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                                                                                              • Rochard
                                                                                                Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                                • 75733
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                without China Walmart would be half empty and you have no fancy Apple products
                                                                                                They would be built someplace else.

                                                                                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                ok, let's agree we disagree on this
                                                                                                without India who will do your callcenters?
                                                                                                We have a large call center up the street from us with over 300 employees. It's not like only India can have call centers.

                                                                                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                Russia is a huge exporter of gas and oil - without the western world buying it, their economy will collapse
                                                                                                The United States produces a huge amount of gas and oil, however, we need it ourselves so we do not export it. Canada is the largest importer to the US.

                                                                                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                there is no way to untie this without the whole world economy collapsing and everyone going back to stone age - and no one is going to risk that over some disagreement about some borders or something like that.
                                                                                                You do understand that Germany bought oil from Russia and plane engines from the UK shortly before war broke out, right?
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                                                                                                  • RKLover
                                                                                                    A B User
                                                                                                    • Dec 2007
                                                                                                    • 256
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                                                                    Actually your facts are far from correct as I've actually not only been to Volgograd, but often. I've gone through the war memorial tour many times, one of the best I've ever seen. I've also been in the city center on May 9.

                                                                                                    The real numbers told to me were actually closer to 1.1 million. When the Germans surrounded the city there were 800k civilians blocked in and after the battle/war there were only 1500 accountable. That's some heavy collateral damage.
                                                                                                    I said Dead Soldiers. You're including Civilian deaths. Either way, it sucks to be stuck in a war zone.

                                                                                                    Only about 5,000 of the captured German troops were ever returned home, and it took over 10 years after the war ended for that to happen. As far as I've been able to find out, that number includes the Hungarian and Romanian troops that fought with the Germans at Volgagrad.
                                                                                                    There is no excuse for ignorance, yet it still remains a powerful force.

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                                                                                                      • RKLover
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                                                                                                        • Dec 2007
                                                                                                        • 256
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                        They would be built someplace else.



                                                                                                        We have a large call center up the street from us with over 300 employees. It's not like only India can have call centers.



                                                                                                        The United States produces a huge amount of gas and oil, however, we need it ourselves so we do not export it. Canada is the largest importer to the US.



                                                                                                        You do understand that Germany bought oil from Russia and plane engines from the UK shortly before war broke out, right?
                                                                                                        Oil is the USA's leading export. Automobiles are #2
                                                                                                        There is no excuse for ignorance, yet it still remains a powerful force.

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                                                                                                          • madko
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                                                                                                            • May 2006
                                                                                                            • 566
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by RKLover
                                                                                                            Oil is the USA's leading export.
                                                                                                            that's true but also incomplete! Compare this 2 lists:

                                                                                                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_oil_exports
                                                                                                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_oil_imports
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                                                                                                              • RKLover
                                                                                                                A B User
                                                                                                                • Dec 2007
                                                                                                                • 256
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by JohnnyClips
                                                                                                                Real men don't fight in wars
                                                                                                                Real men won't subject their homes and lands to pillaging invaders.
                                                                                                                Real men won't welcome the idea of their wives and daughters being raped.
                                                                                                                Real men would rather fight to protect themselves and their families.

                                                                                                                Passive resistance will only make you the slave you claim others are.
                                                                                                                There is no excuse for ignorance, yet it still remains a powerful force.

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                                                                                                                  • 2MuchMark
                                                                                                                    Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                    • 50926
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Spunky
                                                                                                                    God bless the vets

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                                                                                                                      • Struggle4Bucks
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                                                                                                                        • May 2011
                                                                                                                        • 3615
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by JohnnyClips
                                                                                                                        Real men don't fight in wars

                                                                                                                        People who fight in wars are easily programmable to do whatever their slave masters tell them. They are about as unreal and unheroic as it gets

                                                                                                                        He's five feet two and he's six feet four
                                                                                                                        He fights with missiles and with spears
                                                                                                                        He's all of 31 and he's only 17
                                                                                                                        He's been a soldier for a thousand years

                                                                                                                        He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain,
                                                                                                                        a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
                                                                                                                        and he knows he shouldn't kill
                                                                                                                        and he knows he always will
                                                                                                                        kill you for me my friend and me for you

                                                                                                                        And he's fighting for Canada,
                                                                                                                        he's fighting for France,
                                                                                                                        he's fighting for the USA,
                                                                                                                        and he's fighting for the Russians
                                                                                                                        and he's fighting for Japan,
                                                                                                                        and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

                                                                                                                        And he's fighting for Democracy
                                                                                                                        and fighting for the Reds
                                                                                                                        He says it's for the peace of all
                                                                                                                        He's the one who must decide
                                                                                                                        who's to live and who's to die
                                                                                                                        and he never sees the writing on the walls

                                                                                                                        But without him how would Hitler have
                                                                                                                        condemned him at Dachau
                                                                                                                        Without him Caesar would have stood alone
                                                                                                                        He's the one who gives his body
                                                                                                                        as a weapon to a war
                                                                                                                        and without him all this killing can't go on

                                                                                                                        He's the universal soldier and he
                                                                                                                        really is to blame
                                                                                                                        His orders come from far away no more
                                                                                                                        They come from him, and you, and me
                                                                                                                        and brothers can't you see
                                                                                                                        this is not the way we put an end to war.
                                                                                                                        Only real men can take care of their business without calling the cops!
                                                                                                                        Real men don`t have a caged penis.
                                                                                                                        Half troll half amazing!

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                                                                                                                          • TisMe
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Aug 2008
                                                                                                                            • 1719
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                            I ate lunch with a WWII vet that stormed the beach at Normandy. Best lunch I ever had.
                                                                                                                            Another Match.com success story?

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                                                                                                                              • StickyGreen
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                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                • 13076
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                I respect veterans, but the way you call him a "real man" implies that people outside of military service are not "real men."
                                                                                                                                Refer Cam Girls and Take Home 10% of Everything They Make For Life

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                                                                                                                                  • _Richard_
                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                    • 30989
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                    I was talking to a Canadian friend last night. He chuckled about what I said, but in the end he agreed.

                                                                                                                                    The allies of the United States like to make fun of our military might. They think we are warmongers. They think we care only about violence. They think we don't care about our people. They think we would rather kill others then feed families. They make fun of our massive military budget.

                                                                                                                                    It's true. Our military budget is insane. Our military is very large. Our military technology is quite good. Our military training is very good. We have military bases all around the world.

                                                                                                                                    Our focus on military allows our allies to spend less on their military. They can spend their money on social programs, a variety of domestic programs, a variety of aid programs, so on and so forth? for their own countries. And that's all fine, no problem.

                                                                                                                                    When shit hits the fan? Not if? When? There are going to be a lot of phone calls to one particular Defense Department. It's not going to be Canada. It's not going to be the United Kingdom. It's not going to be France. It's going to be the United States.

                                                                                                                                    I'm not knocking the militaries of Canada, the United Kingdom, and France? We train with them, they are allies. We simply have a better set up. And sure, all of those guys will get called in to the battle as well, but there will be a ringleader. We can all laugh and giggle and deny it all we want? But deep down, we know who that ringleader is going to be.

                                                                                                                                    So, allies of the United States? When you need our help, don't worry. We will forget that you chastise our military nonstop. We will forget that you spend less on your defense because we spend more. We will forget that you think we are evil warmongers. We will be there, don't worry. Sure, we might want oil, we might want infrastructure contracts, we might even want your damn trees... but hey, we will be there. And when that time comes, you won't care.

                                                                                                                                    Yes. I am an arrogant American, but you know I'm right. ;-)
                                                                                                                                    best trained?

                                                                                                                                    why do you outsource training to mercenaries than?

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                                                                                                                                      • wehateporn
                                                                                                                                        Promoting Debate on GFY
                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                        • 27176
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                        The allies of the United States like to make fun of our military might. They think we are warmongers. They think we care only about violence. They think we don't care about our people. They think we would rather kill others then feed families. They make fun of our massive military budget.

                                                                                                                                        It's true. Our military budget is insane. Our military is very large. Our military technology is quite good. Our military training is very good. We have military bases all around the world.

                                                                                                                                        Our focus on military allows our allies to spend less on their military. They can spend their money on social programs, a variety of domestic programs, a variety of aid programs, so on and so forth… for their own countries. And that's all fine, no problem.

                                                                                                                                        When shit hits the fan… Not if… When… There are going to be a lot of phone calls to one particular Defense Department. It's not going to be Canada. It's not going to be the United Kingdom. It's not going to be France. It's going to be the United States.

                                                                                                                                        I'm not knocking the militaries of Canada, the United Kingdom, and France… We train with them, they are allies. We simply have a better set up. And sure, all of those guys will get called in to the battle as well, but there will be a ringleader. We can all laugh and giggle and deny it all we want… But deep down, we know who that ringleader is going to be.

                                                                                                                                        So, allies of the United States… When you need our help, don't worry. We will forget that you chastise our military nonstop. We will forget that you spend less on your defense because we spend more. We will forget that you think we are evil warmongers. We will be there, don't worry. Sure, we might want oil, we might want infrastructure contracts, we might even want your damn trees... but hey, we will be there. And when that time comes, you won't care.

                                                                                                                                        Yes. I am an arrogant American, but you know I'm right. ;-)
                                                                                                                                        The NAZI's had an impressive setup too...just saying

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