Originally Posted by sperbonzo

All your arguments are based on the concept that since we have always had government, then any success or improvements are a result of that. It's specious. I'm not suggesting that we get rid of government, (the nature of man is such that we will always have it), I'm saying that the things that government should do and does well are very limited, e.g. national defense, and law enforcement. To say that infrastucture was created by government simply because government happened to be around at the time it was built ignores the reality that when infrastructure is created privately within the framework of law enforcement by the government, it works much much better.

But you always seem to thing that government is the panacea and the best engine for progress. There is no arguing or changing that kind of viewpoint, especially at this point for you. I see, and have seen, in a life lead through many countries, and personal economic circumstances, that although in it's basic form government is needed for keeping the peace, in every other way it is private enterprise and the forces of more free markets that drive progress for mankind, and government often slows it down, and sometimes stops it altogether for no other purpose than to make itself more powerful, and it can legally use force to do that.

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