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  • Half man, Half Amazing
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2008
    • 372

    #101
    Every DVD producer reading that Metro paid $5000 is dying of laughter right now.
    Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.

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    • mikesouth
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2003
      • 6334

      #102
      Originally posted by pornlaw
      Dont get me wrong I agree with you about optional condoms, but a judge isnt going to believe either of them. Trying to prove that a performer contracted an STI except for HIV and Hep C and possibly syphilis on set will also be impossible.

      It would be akin to proving that you caught a flu from your cubicle mate in an office environment.

      The California legislature tried to pass a bill last year (AB 375) in favor of hospital workers placing the burden of proof on the employer to show that because of exposure to a blood borne pathogen an infection DIDNT happen. Burden of proof is usually on the injured worker...

      The bill was defeated in the Senate... 20-16

      http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/po...b_375&sess=CUR

      I dont think there will be a presumption made in favor of pornstars if hospital workers couldnt get one....

      If someone at the FSC knew a little something about research legal or otherwise there could be much better arguments being made against Ballot Measure B as B&B points out...
      My point isnt so much that an individual case or whatever of where did you catch it would hold up, its during the appeal when they say heres the helth dept stats on the industry that they are required by law to send us, heres the general population stats, this is why workplace safety laws need to be in place on this industry, they are a burden to the healthcare system and they have a reckless disregard for the safety of their employees, to the extent that they DONT ALLOW condom use.

      When it comes time to uphold mandatory condom use that's going to be the hurdle we have to clear and we aren't going to do it with bullshit.

      We can do better I know you agree I know Theo agrees I know a lot of people in porn agree, why are we being led around by the dumbest among us?

      Is Manwin spending a 250K to lead us all to slaughter so they can further devalue or bankrupt the companies they don't yet own? ( Hey I love a good conspiracy theory even if I dont believe it)
      Mike South

      It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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      • mikesouth
        Confirmed User
        • Jun 2003
        • 6334

        #103
        Originally posted by Half man, Half Amazing
        Every DVD producer reading that Metro paid $5000 is dying of laughter right now.
        LOL you just KNOW they said we will send ya a check.......dont hold your breath and even if ya do get it dont hold yer breath till it clears....
        Mike South

        It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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        • DWB
          Registered User
          • Jul 2003
          • 31779

          #104
          Originally posted by myjah
          I believe everyone in this industry will be affected and I arrived at that conclusion by reading and comprehending all the elements of the bill.
          Everyone within a specific region of California will be affected. And even a worst case situation it spreads to other states, which I personally believe is fear mongering, it will not, can not, pass United States borders. So those who will be affected in the industry will actually be fairly limited.


          Originally posted by Nathan
          Do not listen to lies from people like mike south that Manwin runs the campaign, Manwin collects the money or any other crap like this. The bank account the money goes to is owned by the organization that runs the campaign, and other than our 150k donations there is no link to us.
          I actually believe "Manwin" does not control anything related to this. However, whoever it is thought it was important enough to hide their whois info so no one knew who it was. The FSC or APHSS doesn't hide their whois info, so that sort of narrows it down to the next in line. You don't hide your whois unless you have something to hide. Can't think of anyone who hides things other than.... hmmmmmm.... I wonder, who could it be?

          No one can provide a name. Just "the organization who runs the campaign." Every organization has some sort of board or membership. Who are they? What person gave the bank their ID when they opened the bank account? Who's signature is on the office lease agreement? Why is it all top secret?

          OK, I'm done for the day. Continue on with the fear mongering.

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          • pornlaw
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2007
            • 1902

            #105
            Originally posted by mikesouth
            My point isnt so much that an individual case or whatever of where did you catch it would hold up, its during the appeal when they say heres the helth dept stats on the industry that they are required by law to send us, heres the general population stats, this is why workplace safety laws need to be in place on this industry, they are a burden to the healthcare system and they have a reckless disregard for the safety of their employees, to the extent that they DONT ALLOW condom use.
            You can never introduce new evidence on appeal. (exceptions for criminal death penalty cases I think) If the trial court didnt get to see it the appellate court doesnt get to take it into consideration.

            And those reports will never make into a trial court since the Daubert motion will probably exclude it as not being relevant to the case at hand. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daubert_standard )

            Im not arguing with you just pointing out that the studies that show STI rates in the industry dont mean anything to anyone except AHF who are using them for PR. They will probably not even be allowed to be introduced as evidence.
            Michael

            www.AdultBizLaw.com

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            • mikesouth
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2003
              • 6334

              #106
              Originally posted by pornlaw
              You can never introduce new evidence on appeal. (exceptions for criminal death penalty cases I think) If the trial court didnt get to see it the appellate court doesnt get to take it into consideration.

              And those reports will never make into a trial court since the Daubert motion will probably exclude it as not being relevant to the case at hand. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daubert_standard )

              Im not arguing with you just pointing out that the studies that show STI rates in the industry dont mean anything to anyone except AHF who are using them for PR. They will probably not even be allowed to be introduced as evidence.
              I wont argue with ya there its beyond my paygrade I had no law school but it just seems likely to me, and admittedly appeal may be the wrong word, whatever action that challenges the law on whatever basis...seems like to me thats gonna be the battleground since this is a public health issue. (presumeably)
              Mike South

              It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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              • marlboroack
                So Fucking Banned
                • Jul 2010
                • 9327

                #107
                Contact me on ICQ and i will donate if it's that big od a deal. I smell BS though.

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                • myjah
                  Back in the harbor
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 11482

                  #108
                  Originally posted by marlboroack
                  Contact me on ICQ and i will donate if it's that big od a deal. I smell BS though.
                  I sent you a message.



                  I simply want to emphasize again that your support against Measure B is desparately neeeded.

                  It is wonderful to see so many people supporting the campaign...but I know there are many more that can make a difference.

                  THIS IS NOT JUST A LOCAL ISSUE. If Measure B is passed, it will impact our industry heavily. Take the time to read the bill, get educated and get involved.

                  I see so many threads here about politics and would very much like to see the same passion regarding this issue. Voting is November 6th - take a stand.
                  VP of Marketing
                  AVN Media Network
                  Skype: AVNJill
                  [email protected]

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                  • Rankings
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10633

                    #109
                    ty Myjah for posting and all your efforts. Thank you all sponsors working towards reversing this proposal.
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                    • Theo
                      HAL 9000
                      • May 2001
                      • 34515

                      #110
                      Myjah, you are the best!

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                      • shimmy2
                        Confirmed User
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 3271

                        #111
                        this "No on B" thing reminds me of...



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                        • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                          Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 38323

                          #112






                          No on Measure B videos...

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                          • myjah
                            Back in the harbor
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 11482

                            #113
                            Originally posted by 2bet
                            ty Myjah for posting and all your efforts. Thank you all sponsors working towards reversing this proposal.
                            Thank you for the support!

                            Originally posted by AVN Theo
                            Myjah, you are the best!
                            The feeling is mutual - THANK YOU Theo!
                            VP of Marketing
                            AVN Media Network
                            Skype: AVNJill
                            [email protected]

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                            • Sly
                              Let's do some business!
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 31377

                              #114
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                              • xanadu
                                bot
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 997

                                #115
                                bump bump

                                Time for donations ends soon, so there is time to get TV ads etc

                                Keep it coming people!
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                                • astronaut x
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • May 2011
                                  • 4844

                                  #116
                                  oh no... is this me shedding a tear?

                                  adapt or .....
                                  Hello

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                                  • myjah
                                    Back in the harbor
                                    • Sep 2003
                                    • 11482

                                    #117
                                    Originally posted by Sly
                                    Just a reminder...
                                    Originally posted by xanadu
                                    bump bump

                                    Time for donations ends soon, so there is time to get TV ads etc

                                    Keep it coming people!
                                    Thanks, Thanks! Let's keep this up top, keep people focused until the vote, next Tuesday, November 6th!!
                                    VP of Marketing
                                    AVN Media Network
                                    Skype: AVNJill
                                    [email protected]

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                                    • xanadu
                                      bot
                                      • Sep 2006
                                      • 997

                                      #118
                                      Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude






                                      No on Measure B videos...

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                                      Tomorrow the TV ads start, lets all hope it can make a difference!
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                                      • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                        Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                        • Jul 2004
                                        • 38323

                                        #119








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                                        • Axel_Crak
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                                          • Oct 2008
                                          • 662

                                          #120
                                          Bump for an important subject

                                          The Crakmedia team is working to help as much as possible for the upcoming days

                                          Brand new vids to promote the subject coming soon

                                          Dont give up Myjah and everybody, last sprint !!

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                                          • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                            Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                            • Jul 2004
                                            • 38323

                                            #121
                                            Originally posted by Axel_Crak

                                            Bump for an important subject

                                            The Crakmedia team is working to help as much as possible for the upcoming days

                                            Brand new vids to promote the subject coming soon

                                            Dont give up Myjah and everybody, last sprint !!
                                            It ain't over until it's over, and then that is just a new beginning...

                                            Lots of newspaper endorsements, and good publicity, which is encouraging.

                                            Imagine if every adult site posted something on their front page, as some sites are doing now (that is a lot of views)...

                                            Added to ADG Home Page this morning:



                                            Vote NO on Measure B, next Tuesday, Nov 6th!

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                                            • Theo
                                              HAL 9000
                                              • May 2001
                                              • 34515

                                              #122
                                              We can do that, big gfy announcement coming in a bit

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                                              • BlackAndBlue
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Sep 2008
                                                • 193

                                                #123
                                                Really . . . .

                                                Uhm - how does the No on Government Waste Committee and Man-Speech Coalition plan to get anything on-air in less than 10 days before an election?

                                                Even radio Traffic Departments need 5 days lead time to put an ad into rotation. TV takes even longer.
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                                                • pornlaw
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2007
                                                  • 1902

                                                  #124
                                                  Originally posted by BlackAndBlue
                                                  Man-Speech Coalition
                                                  LOL...
                                                  Michael

                                                  www.AdultBizLaw.com

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                                                  • mikesouth
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 6334

                                                    #125
                                                    Originally posted by BlackAndBlue
                                                    Uhm - how does the No on Government Waste Committee and Man-Speech Coalition plan to get anything on-air in less than 10 days before an election?

                                                    Even radio Traffic Departments need 5 days lead time to put an ad into rotation. TV takes even longer.
                                                    LOL we do think alike I was wondering the same thing...a big fund raiser on Thurs....election on Tues hmmmmmm.....
                                                    Mike South

                                                    It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                                                    • pornmasta
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Jun 2006
                                                      • 20019

                                                      #126

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                                                      • Axel_Crak
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Oct 2008
                                                        • 662

                                                        #127
                                                        Hey guys maybe the set up and timing is not perfect and could have been started before, ok fair enough, but at least, someone is trying to do something and nothing really force them to do this, same as the support, nobody force, but what can you loose if you try to help and spread the word..

                                                        will you prefer no action because its too short notice... its never too late and always worth something

                                                        Having made a lot of marketing campaigns of many kind in my career, the last 72 hours are the most crucial to make people choose/buy/move.

                                                        You can advertise something 6 month in advance and its good to make some long term pre-campaign, but peoples do forget easily and the last hours are the MOST important

                                                        People will say ok, this vote is tomorrow, well I might go, it has a lot more direct impact than ads seen 2 months ago...especially for a vote like that

                                                        And dont worry about medias, most of them will find a way to sell you a spot if you bring new money in the tank, trust me, I bought many ads last minutes and maybe not always the best deals, but they will figured it out something and IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT

                                                        Lets do it !! `)
                                                        Last edited by Axel_Crak; 10-31-2012, 04:51 PM.

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                                                        • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                          Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                          • 38323

                                                          #128
                                                          Originally posted by BlackAndBlue

                                                          Uhm - how does the No on Government Waste Committee and Man-Speech Coalition plan to get anything on-air in less than 10 days before an election?

                                                          Even radio Traffic Departments need 5 days lead time to put an ad into rotation. TV takes even longer.
                                                          I presume that the ad spots were already reserved, hence the announcement that they will "start airing".

                                                          Quote:
                                                          Originally Posted by BlackAndBlue
                                                          Man-Speech Coalition
                                                          Originally posted by pornlaw
                                                          LOL...
                                                          Thanks Michael, for helping me to understand what Man-Speech meant. I thought it was a gay thing at first, so I didn't get it. Now I get it... MAN(win)-FREE (Speech) Coalition.



                                                          The polling numbers which I saw indicated that there was a large undecided/don't know group out there, that may be persuaded by an effective last minute ad blitz.





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                                                          • Axel_Crak
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                                                            • Oct 2008
                                                            • 662

                                                            #129
                                                            Bump !

                                                            Why this thread is not pinned !!!

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                                                            • Axel_Crak
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Oct 2008
                                                              • 662

                                                              #130
                                                              Bump it up !

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                                                              • myjah
                                                                Back in the harbor
                                                                • Sep 2003
                                                                • 11482

                                                                #131
                                                                Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                The polling numbers which I saw indicated that there was a large undecided/don't know group out there, that may be persuaded by an effective last minute ad blitz.

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                                                                The last minute ads this week will have an enormous impact and the small budget VoteNoOnB does have through generous donations is being utilized to do just that - even competing with a multi-million dollar AHF budget - the television ads this next week CAN make the difference.

                                                                Originally posted by Axel_Crak
                                                                Bump it up !
                                                                Thank you for your support!!!!
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                                                                • BlackAndBlue
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Sep 2008
                                                                  • 193

                                                                  #132
                                                                  Well maybe an overnight spot between 11PM and 4AM can be swung at smaller stations. I guess someone put KLOS's ad price on their credit card or something . . . But, yeah South, you and I do think alike more often than not.

                                                                  No the last minute is NOT the time to be doing this, since mail-in ballots were due today! There's a reason political campaigns start over a year before the election. Same with major motion pictures, but I digress. . . .

                                                                  I am a professional publicist and marketer and have been doing this shit longer than half these posters have been alive -- the MONTHS leading up to the election, event, etc are crucial. And truth be told, all that past campaigning by the No on B forces was fuckin' wasted on stupid arguments that just made all of us in this industry look like inbred yokels.

                                                                  I've been putting out better arguments against Measure B for months now, as has Porn Law and many others. Waiting until the final five days before an election to start seriously raising money, and to launch a media No on B campaign? Seriously? Porn Law and I don't get paid the big bucks Diane Duke and the others are paid by Manwin over at the No on B Org, and we have been working for a hell of a lot longer against the measure than the fat cats. ROFL

                                                                  PS: Thank you Kylie Ireland for doing the radio spots. I haven't heard them yet, but if anyone can make an argument sound convincing, yet sexy, it's likely you. ;)
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