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07-11-2002, 02:00 PM

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Ron,

Sorry by the looks of the program page looked as if you had to join under all of them, I remember it was this way in the past.

If I had an account and sent some traffic I'm sure I could figure out what the points are awarded per signup, what's the big secret here? Or does it vary for every program?

It varies with every program, and they aren't "STATIC" For example, with Riskymail, you get a certain amount per confirmed, but there apparenly is another factor in there, relating to submitted as well, I think.

From what I hear, Almost all of their programs have points attributed to them, they just vary per program.
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#52

07-11-2002, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Toolz
Ron,

Sorry by the looks of the program page looked as if you had to join under all of them, I remember it was this way in the past.

If I had an account and sent some traffic I'm sure I could figure out what the points are awarded per signup, what's the big secret here? Or does it vary for every program?

There is no secret - different points for different programs!
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07-11-2002, 02:15 PM

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Excellent unfortenately you're still one of a very few....
unbelievable actually.....

DynaMite

This amazes me as well. When I looked into affilate programs, it was like...

What happens to the surfer that has cookies disabled, or have privacy software? (kind of ironic seeing sites promote a cookie-based affilate + privacy software eh??)

What happens if the surfer returns 5-10 days later? Oh, your cookie expires in 3 days...

What happens if a user gets declined by the primary processor, but gets accepted by the backup processor? Oh, that's not my user anymore...

And the one most are guilty of... Out of the 60/70% you're giving me, you take out 15% in processing fees first right? You mean you couldn't get a better deal than a newbie webmaster paying 15%??

This isn't directed at any one sponsor.. I'm just pointing out how much "almost shaving" is going on.

But, it would be nice to see some sponsors answer those questions.

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07-11-2002, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by SunTzu

This amazes me as well. When I looked into affilate programs, it was like...

What happens to the surfer that has cookies disabled, or have privacy software? (kind of ironic seeing sites promote a cookie-based affilate + privacy software eh??)

What happens if the surfer returns 5-10 days later? Oh, your cookie expires in 3 days...

What happens if a user gets declined by the primary processor, but gets accepted by the backup processor? Oh, that's not my user anymore...

And the one most are guilty of... Out of the 60/70% you're giving me, you take out 15% in processing fees first right? You mean you couldn't get a better deal than a newbie webmaster paying 15%??

This isn't directed at any one sponsor.. I'm just pointing out how much "almost shaving" is going on.

But, it would be nice to see some sponsors answer those questions.

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07-11-2002, 02:57 PM

FM I would like to contact you, what's your email/icq?

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07-11-2002, 02:59 PM

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FM I would like to contact you, what's your email/icq?

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07-11-2002, 03:05 PM

@fm

Do resellers get credited for free email account signups like; yahoo.com, hotmail.com etc on your mailing programs?
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07-11-2002, 03:07 PM

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@fm

Do resellers get credited for free email account signups like; yahoo.com, hotmail.com etc on your mailing programs?

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07-11-2002, 03:07 PM

ah yes

i do remember the stories, "back in the day"

sharky is finger pointed as screwing you, the guy who you were *GOOD* friends with and he had your back, you suspect him of fucking you and sue him, you lose, he sues you back, he wins.

what about that fraud that ce had going in regards to charging its members cards more then they were suppose to...wasn't the FTC involved?

yes, the good old days.

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07-11-2002, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by MikeyBoy
@fm

Do resellers get credited for free email account signups like; yahoo.com, hotmail.com etc on your mailing programs?

I believe they have it setup so the login page for hotmail or yahoo email opens in a new window; good idea to increase confirmations imho .
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07-11-2002, 03:09 PM

anyways,

your business is built fm, your on easy street, it's all good

however, your no angel, and we both know it

ps. my icq is lite up like a christmas tree, one of your previous webmasters sent me this..

"dude, he fucking changes TOS all the time man, and words it so bascially it's like saying

"Hey stupid newbie webmaster, go spend all month long building a ton of hits to us on a ton of domains, then when we don't like your hits we will change the TOS and make you go back and change how you advertise on all sorts of shit, cuz even though you send the signups (honestly mind you) we can't fucking retain them cuz our shit is weak."

so then they drop you down to a horribly unproductive part of their program and jack your exits all day long"

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"he's a shady old fat jewish bastard

I can say that shit too cuz I got jewish on my mother's side LOL "

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07-11-2002, 03:12 PM

thats from a good friend of mine fm

tell me he's lieing...tell me he's full of shit

infact, i've met that webmaster who made those comments, we are best of buds, as well as good business friends

so if your going to tell me his comment about your tos changing etc. is full of shit i am going to laugh for years on end

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#63

07-11-2002, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
ah yes

i do remember the stories, "back in the day"

sharky is finger pointed as screwing you, the guy who you were *GOOD* friends with and he had your back, you suspect him of fucking you and sue him, you lose, he sues you back, he wins.

what about that fraud that ce had going in regards to charging its members cards more then they were suppose to...wasn't the FTC involved?

yes, the good old days.

Ask Sharky who had to pay who when this was all said and done.

Regarding the FTC - if you look into this you will see that they did not find us guilty of anything, no redress, no bonds, no fines, nothing and we're still doing our Free Sign Up.

What does this have to do with our new program? I guess you're just here to sling some shit! Speaks volumes about you.

How about the $350 million we have paid Webmasters?
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#64

07-11-2002, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
anyways,

your business is built fm, your on easy street, it's all good

however, your no angel, and we both know it

ps. my icq is lite up like a christmas tree, one of your previous webmasters sent me this..

"dude, he fucking changes TOS all the time man, and words it so bascially it's like saying

"Hey stupid newbie webmaster, go spend all month long building a ton of hits to us on a ton of domains, then when we don't like your hits we will change the TOS and make you go back and change how you advertise on all sorts of shit, cuz even though you send the signups (honestly mind you) we can't fucking retain them cuz our shit is weak."

so then they drop you down to a horribly unproductive part of their program and jack your exits all day long"

--

"he's a shady old fat jewish bastard

I can say that shit too cuz I got jewish on my mother's side LOL "

Where do you want me to ship the Dvd Player?
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07-11-2002, 03:15 PM

bahah Pete is laying the wood to FM... you guys should discuss this on ICQ though... eventually you will piss FM off and he will flip out and I don't think he wants to make his business look like trash just from one argument on a message board...chill out fuckers

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07-11-2002, 03:15 PM

Nothing screams credibility like third party anonymous ICQ messages from someone without enough sack to post it themselves.
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#67

07-11-2002, 03:15 PM

$350 million?

you think those are some big figures

shit dean and scott pushed more then that in a couple years

i am not here to ragg on your company, and i didn't want to go down that route even though it may seem it has. but, if your claiming your an angel, and your company / programs have never fucked a webmaster, then your full of shit

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#68

07-11-2002, 03:16 PM

@fm
will the signups u generate at cemags enable u to receive cevault points
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#69

07-11-2002, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by nocostporn
bahah Pete is laying the wood to FM... you guys should discuss this on ICQ though... eventually you will piss FM off and he will flip out and I don't think he wants t make his business look like trash just form one argument on a message board...chill out fuckers

didnt you already get a dvd player
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07-11-2002, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
thats from a good friend of mine fm

tell me he's lieing...tell me he's full of shit

infact, i've met that webmaster who made those comments, we are best of buds, as well as good business friends

so if your going to tell me his comment about your tos changing etc. is full of shit i am going to laugh for years on end

We changed the payout and TOS, with advanced notice in 2000 for our Follow Me Free program when we got slammed with fraud.

We haven't had a change in over a year. Why do you continue to raise these issues when talking about a new program?

As far as the religious slurs and personal slurs I will not comment. Shows how narrow minded he is for sure!
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07-11-2002, 03:18 PM

true

if people can't talk smack to peoples faces, then what the hell is that

but, it's not my job to name names to peoples comments..

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07-11-2002, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by MikeyBoy
@fm
will the signups u generate at cemags enable u to receive cevault points

yes, absolutely!!
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#73

07-11-2002, 03:20 PM

well he's just pissed you went and did that, and then he got fucked for it

when he says things to me, i take his word for it, plus his story does make sense

he was promoting ce for a couple years

so you know, webmasters like that just dont flip one day and get pissed off atcha dude

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07-11-2002, 03:20 PM

fm is smileing

his thread is at the top, he's probably pulling in hella webmasters

don't think he dosen't like pissing it out like this

i hope he does the same for me one day...

my main opinion really, was i wanted to see CE come out with some fresh stuff, like, something that will allow me to buy a new viper each month from just doing business with them

its possible...they just need to put their heads togeather and come up with some fresh ideas

fm don't think i am ragging on your company, i started to because i felt you were posting back to me in a "hostile" way...

i am trying to give my opinion here, and say, ce needs some fresh ideas for their sites, etc. etc.

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#75

07-11-2002, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by fantasyman

yes, absolutely!!

How many points do you earn through the CE Mag program? Like 10 sign-ups equals a point or whatever.
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07-11-2002, 03:21 PM

ok how many email signups u then need ? or were u reffering to the upsells from the mailings?

also how many times a day, a week or a month you mail the confirmed emails?

Also are webmasters credited for the 2nd autorize email you send out or dont u send out a 2nd?
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#77

07-11-2002, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
$350 million?

you think those are some big figures

shit dean and scott pushed more then that in a couple years

i am not here to ragg on your company, and i didn't want to go down that route even though it may seem it has. but, if your claiming your an angel, and your company / programs have never fucked a webmaster, then your full of shit

You'd better check on those numbers.

You have your opinion and I have mine. That's what so great about our country, that is allowed

Why are you slinging all this shit, is it because we released a new program or are you just Green with envy and jealous?

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#78

07-11-2002, 03:23 PM

i find the attack unfair,

"your business is built fm, your on easy street, it's all good"

indeed,FM was a pioneer on what he did. Personally I was familiar with his name before entering the adult industry. His name appears very often at mainstream magazines when they are reffering to our industry.

"however, your no angel, and we both know it "

There are no angels in the porn industry. I communicate with near 300 webmasters, never had any bad feedback for FM and his company, actually the opposite.

"Hey stupid newbie webmaster, go spend all month long building a ton of hits to us on a ton of domains, then when we don't like your hits we will change the TOS and make you go back and change how you advertise on all sorts of shit, cuz even though you send the signups (honestly mind you) we can't fucking retain them cuz our shit is weak."

so then they drop you down to a horribly unproductive part of their program and jack your exits all day long"

near a year ago CE changed for a while their TOS about the way advertisers will handle the free trials if i remember well. I mailed Nancy if there's a problem about my old pages that didn't have access or time to update them again and there wasn't any problem. Honestly I doubt if A SINGLE webmaster got canceled for not changing his promo pages back then. After all, CE returned to the old policy very fast.

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#79

07-11-2002, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Shooter

How many points do you earn through the CE Mag program? Like 10 sign-ups equals a point or whatever.

its gonna take me 10 years to get anything remotely interesting from cevault if this is the case
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#80

07-11-2002, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Pipecrew

its gonna take me 10 years to get anything remotely interesting from cevault if this is the case

Hehe yeh....fm? How many vault points per sign-up?
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07-11-2002, 03:27 PM

i go into ce radio show

i show support

so fm if you honestly think i am just here to rag on you, and ce, and that i am jealous, you are sadly mistaken

maybe you should take into consideration my opinions i have given, which are fresh ideas

if i see you going and copying alot of peoples ideas, then thats what i see, and are my eyes lieing to me? no

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07-11-2002, 03:28 PM

CE and my prev employer were direct competition, its fun to see the old school guys still pumping it out. I don't know who started what, but I can remember when we found out about click cash and I started to put 2 and 2 together and realized why my employer was popping banners in our member section for the competition, thats when I quit.

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07-11-2002, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Shooter

How many points do you earn through the CE Mag program? Like 10 sign-ups equals a point or whatever.

Shooter

For each email $1.50 sign up you earn .33 points

For each $15 upsell 3.33 points
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07-11-2002, 03:34 PM

fantasyman>
Is it still possible to send directly to your join page?
And without any consoles (enter / exit) ?
On the follow me / follow me free program.
I pretty sure you had that some time.
And didn't you have a $25 per free join or something also?
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07-11-2002, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by fantasyman

Shooter

For each email $1.50 sign up you earn .33 points

For each $15 upsell 3.33 points

Ah ok sounds cool

Is there any delay in points being added? I've sent about 80 sign-ups since the 9th and I'm not showing any points.
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07-11-2002, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
i go into ce radio show

i show support

so fm if you honestly think i am just here to rag on you, and ce, and that i am jealous, you are sadly mistaken

maybe you should take into consideration my opinions i have given, which are fresh ideas

if i see you going and copying alot of peoples ideas, then thats what i see, and are my eyes lieing to me? no

payrollpete the issues you have brought up in this thread have nothing to do with our new program or new ideas. They are old issues and your view of those events are different than mine. Afterall, I've lived them and you've just heard about them from 3rd parties. If you have a fresh idea, I'd be more than happy to discuss it.

It's obvious your perception of events are different than mine. I don't know, are your eyes lying to you?
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07-11-2002, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Shooter

Ah ok sounds cool

Is there any delay in points being added? I've sent about 80 sign-ups since the 9th and I'm not showing any points.

I'll check on that for you.
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07-11-2002, 03:39 PM

Speaking of FTC issues,

Wasn't there some rumor about how the FTC overlooked or glossed over digging deep at CE because CE pointed the finger over to Maxcash?

Or was that just some silly accusation/rumor mill information that was floating around a while back?

I guess I'm in a "Days of our Lives" mood today.

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07-11-2002, 03:40 PM

fm,

right, you started to try to come off like an angel...so i bring up some dirt, and the angel of you floats away

none the less, i could care less really, i'd slang business your way, it comes down to who you make the most money with, and who your business connects with

it would be nice if you cleared up that mess when all the webmasters were pissed off about the tos or whatever it was...just because i know this guy personaly, and he's the most honest fuck you'll ever meet...and its tough to find honest people in this business, i am sure you know that

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07-11-2002, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
i find the attack unfair,

"your business is built fm, your on easy street, it's all good"

what attack?
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07-11-2002, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by TheJ
Speaking of FTC issues,

Wasn't there some rumor about how the FTC overlooked or glossed over digging deep at CE because CE pointed the finger over to Maxcash?

Or was that just some silly accusation/rumor mill information that was floating around a while back?

I guess I'm in a "Days of our Lives" mood today.

that was a "stupid accusation/rumor"
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07-11-2002, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
fm,

right, you started to try to come off like an angel...so i bring up some dirt, and the angel of you floats away

none the less, i could care less really, i'd slang business your way, it comes down to who you make the most money with, and who your business connects with

it would be nice if you cleared up that mess when all the webmasters were pissed off about the tos or whatever it was...just because i know this guy personaly, and he's the most honest fuck you'll ever meet...and its tough to find honest people in this business, i am sure you know that

When we changed our TOS we gave Webmasters 7 days notice of the change. Every time you viewed your stats there was a notice. If a Webmaster didn't want to accept the new TOS they had ample time to stop sending traffic. This change was made because that program was being defrauded because of the payout. We had to change it. I'm sorry if your friend missed our advanced notice.

What does this have to do with the here and now?
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07-11-2002, 03:53 PM

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fantasyman>
Is it still possible to send directly to your join page?
And without any consoles (enter / exit) ?
On the follow me / follow me free program.
I pretty sure you had that some time.
And didn't you have a $25 per free join or something also?
Looking for that at the moment

In our Follow Me Free program you can send traffic directly to the sign up page.

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07-11-2002, 03:54 PM

are webmasters credited for the 2nd autorize email you send out or dont u send out a 2nd?
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07-11-2002, 03:55 PM

the whole thread looks like an attack which of course is daily task at gfy
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07-11-2002, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by MikeyBoy
are webmasters credited for the 2nd autorize email you send out or dont u send out a 2nd?

We only send out an authorize for one email. No multiples. The exit rotation is paysites and pays $15 for every upsell.
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07-11-2002, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
the whole thread looks like an attack which of course is daily task at gfy

you call this an attack? ahahahahaha LOL

this is nothing, you should have been around in the old days
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07-11-2002, 03:58 PM

oh man, this is too funny. "my uncle's illegitimate son is a webmaster, and he told me on icq that FM fucked him over."

we'll miss you our friend. RIP
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07-11-2002, 04:05 PM

Ron/FM and CE are K-Man approved!

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07-11-2002, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by kmanrox
Ron/FM and CE are K-Man approved!

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