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07-11-2002, 12:08 PM

I decided to give there magazine spinoff a try, one thing i cant stand is looking at my stats and seeing something like this

Submitted: 32 Confirmed: 8

I always hope the next day, some of these submitted people will accept but it never happens, anyone know if there is some limit on submitted and not confirmed email signups?
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07-11-2002, 12:10 PM

its probably a shave

they probablly shave 40 - 60% of what you see

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07-11-2002, 12:11 PM

as much as i like cyber erotica, and fm is a good guy, they have their ways to make the most money off of ya

but hey, i say, if your happy with what your makin then dont complain!

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07-11-2002, 12:13 PM

... most guys put in shit like "[email protected]" "dfhjfdghjfdh" ... and the above ratio is pretty much average. 95% will get confirmed within 1h ...
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07-11-2002, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Pipecrew
I decided to give there magazine spinoff a try, one thing i cant stand is looking at my stats and seeing something like this

Submitted: 32 Confirmed: 8

I always hope the next day, some of these submitted people will accept but it never happens, anyone know if there is some limit on submitted and not confirmed email signups?

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These are a number of reasons why folks sign up and don't confirm. Some folks put in an incorrect email address, just to name one reason.

We accept all confirms no matter how long it takes them to actually confirm.

Other Webmasters are making big money in this program, you should continue to market it and count the money it earns you, not the submit/confirm ratio.
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07-11-2002, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
its probably a shave

they probablly shave 40 - 60% of what you see

Payrollpete we do not shave, never have, never will.
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07-11-2002, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by fantasyman

Payrollpete we do not shave, never have, never will.
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07-11-2002, 12:38 PM

fm,
and the sky is raining cats and dogs

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07-11-2002, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by funkmaster
... most guys put in shit like "[email protected]" "dfhjfdghjfdh" ... and the above ratio is pretty much average. 95% will get confirmed within 1h ...

I ran a double opt-in email list for a while. It's amazing how many times "[email protected]" and "[email protected]" tried to sign up but forgot to confirm their address...
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07-11-2002, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
fm,
and the sky is raining cats and dogs

payrollpete I invite you out to our offices and will let you examine our software and see how it works. There has never been a reason for us to shave and there will never be one.

All of our programs are based on the productivity of traffic. This is another reason we have no need to shave.

Don't make an accusation unless you have hard evidence, otherwise we're guilty until proven innocent.
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07-11-2002, 12:43 PM

"Don't make an accusation unless you have hard evidence, otherwise we're guilty until proven innocent."

LOL
you said it yourself

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07-11-2002, 12:46 PM

i remember using CE back in the day and viewing the odd tracking techniques, stats weren't matching up with what i was sending out, ofcourse there could be alot of reason for this, 2nd page clicks etc., but still things didn't add up

on top of that, i remember ce closing peoples accounts for the hell of it, and moving you over to pay per signup and not paying for the per raw click or whatever. my good buddy was in that program, he was always doing top notch with it, then bam, you guys cancel him, he asks why, never got a response

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07-11-2002, 12:46 PM

if your software depends on cookies you shave 10-15%...

No offense FM....I'm just kidding.....although it is true

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07-11-2002, 12:47 PM

payroll, the man offered you a sneak peek into their offices and software ... why don´t you go there and tell us about it ...
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07-11-2002, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by funkmaster
payroll, the man offered you a sneak peek into their offices and software ... why don´t you go there and tell us about it ...

hahaha be just like that Movie Casino, they meet out in the middle of a Corn Field, Fm has a basebal bat
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07-11-2002, 12:48 PM

yeah

let me go fire up the leer jet, i'll be right down, gimme 20min

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07-11-2002, 12:49 PM

This whole second page click counting is suspicious....I agree...
unless you pay per click there is no reason for counting second
page clicks.....yet a lot of programs work this way....why?

So that webmasters can't match stats....sure it will never match
100% but it gives you a general idea of what's going on. I'll say
don't pay per click? Don't track second page clicks....it makes the
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07-11-2002, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by DynaSpain
if your software depends on cookies you shave 10-15%...

No offense FM....I'm just kidding.....although it is true

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07-11-2002, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by funkmaster
payroll, the man offered you a sneak peek into their offices and software ... why don´t you go there and tell us about it ...

That has always been an open invitation to anyone and it always will be.....
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07-11-2002, 12:51 PM

if you want to test it out... take a couple handfull of proxies and signup with the program under your account(cancel the memberships afterwards so you aren't cheating the program).... I think you will be highly surprised at the number of signups that arent counted...that goes for all 4free programs that i have personally tested

beware,whatever evidence you have,the only response you will get is "you must not be doing something right on your end"... no matter how seasoned of a webmaster you are...

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07-11-2002, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by fantasyman

Our software is not cookie based.

Excellent unfortenately you're still one of a very few....
unbelievable actually.....

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07-11-2002, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by DynaSpain
This whole second page click counting is suspicious....I agree...
unless you pay per click there is no reason for counting second
page clicks.....yet a lot of programs work this way....why?

So that webmasters can't match stats....sure it will never match
100% but it gives you a general idea of what's going on. I'll say
don't pay per click? Don't track second page clicks....it makes the
program for suspicious.

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07-11-2002, 12:53 PM

CE and FM are good people, i have never personaly had any problems with them, i have always been paid

however, their tracking seemed kinda off, so i dropped out, no big deal

you think fm has what he has today because he runs a shitty business that fucks people all day long? No.

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07-11-2002, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by nocostporn
if you want to test it out... take a couple handfull of proxies and signup with the program under your account(cancel the memberships afterwards so you aren't cheating the program).... I think you will be highly surprised at the number of signups that arent counted...that goes for all 4free programs that i have personally tested

beware,whatever evidence you have,the only response you will get is "you must not be doing something right on your end"... no matter how seasoned of a webmaster you are...

nocostporn that will not happen with our program, you might be surprised
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07-11-2002, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by fantasyman

nocostporn that will not happen with our program, you might be surprised

good... I'm firing up the ole' cheat-o-bot V2.1 as we speak

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07-11-2002, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by fantasyman

We do not count second page hits, we track raw, unique, email submits, email confirms, upsells and revenue fron dialers.

That message was not directed to you....I saw second page clicks
was mentioned as a tracking method...and responded to that..

just for the record

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07-11-2002, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by DynaSpain

Excellent unfortenately you're still one of a very few....
unbelievable actually.....

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Yes, you're right, we're one of the very few. Now, you must remember, we started doing this before anyone and have always developed our own software. That's why we stay on the cutting edge.

And, I invite anyone who is interested to come out and see how our company runs and talk to our techs. You'd probably be very surprised :-)
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07-11-2002, 12:57 PM

here is some more jabber from me

what i have noticed with FM / CE is that they are going after everybodies fresh ideas and trying to make a "hit" off them as well...i think CE needs to come out with something fresh then try to do something everybody and their dog is doing

mail programs came popular, suddenly ce is on it

ars points, ce jumps on the same type of idea

free ezine bucks, ce jumps on the same idea

and the list goes on

fm you need to come up with original stuff, with all the brains you employ, i am surprised you haven't created some new era of service / products / sites for this business

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07-11-2002, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by nocostporn

good... I'm firing up the ole' cheat-o-bot V2.1 as we speak

Good, I look forward to your results
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07-11-2002, 12:59 PM

I take your word for it...I've made an affil program for a big player
which is not cookie based....they run it now for a year and half...

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07-11-2002, 01:01 PM

fantasyman, send me a free mp3 player or something from the cevault or something, look at all the free attention your getting that and I have 0 Cepoints
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07-11-2002, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
here is some more jabber from me

what i have noticed with FM / CE is that they are going after everybodies fresh ideas and trying to make a "hit" off them as well...i think CE needs to come out with something fresh then try to do something everybody and their dog is doing

mail programs came popular, suddenly ce is on it

ars points, ce jumps on the same type of idea

free ezine bucks, ce jumps on the same idea

and the list goes on

fm you need to come up with original stuff, with all the brains you employ, i am surprised you haven't created some new era of service / products / sites for this business

payrollpete - did you forget that we started the first double opt in email program with riskymail back in 1997.

We innovated the original riskymail by adding upsells and dialer revenue.

Now that we launched an updated version, we're accused of copying? Which came first?

Our Rewards program is everything that ARS's is not, we have more items listed than any other reward program around.

If you check your history, you will find that pretty much everyone else copied our programs.
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07-11-2002, 01:07 PM

all you do is take ideas and beef them up a bit so there are a bit more unique then your competition

there is not alot of creativity in that

you know fm, the reason why people don't swing with CE that much anymore is due to the fact that you guys never do anything fresh, your always just doing something a bit better then your competition is

if you really want to put ce back in the books, you need to do something fresh, and open some money making oppurtunity in this business no one has yet to hit. you have the money, power, & brains for it, so why not

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07-11-2002, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by payrollpete
all you do is take ideas and beef them up a bit so there are a bit more unique then your competition

there is not alot of creativity in that

you know fm, the reason why people don't swing with CE that much anymore is due to the fact that you guys never do anything fresh, your always just doing something a bit better then your competition is

if you really want to put ce back in the books, you need to do something fresh, and open some money making oppurtunity in this business no one has yet to hit. you have the money, power, & brains for it, so why not

payrollpete again where have you been? we started by paying for raw hits in 1996, before anyone. In 1996 we went to unique hits, before anyone. Then in 1997 we went to pay by productivity, before anyone else. In 1997 we went to pay by sign up, before anyone else. We also opened the first double opt in email list in 1997, before anyone else. In 2000 we went to pay per active, before anyone else.

So say what you will, our track record speaks for itself!!
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07-11-2002, 01:19 PM

Yeah maybe like a huge luxury condo housing project where your webmasters can live for free. Deal?
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07-11-2002, 01:30 PM

Say FM - how is your rewards program everything ARS's is not but I can't find ONE thing on your site telling me how many of these points I get per sign up? and why do I have to sign up 15 times to promote all of the programs on your site?
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07-11-2002, 01:32 PM

i hate CyberErotica
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07-11-2002, 01:33 PM

Payrollpete, you are way out of line here jumping on CE like this.
They are 1 of the original companies in this biz. If you were around way back then you would know this. Also every idea (just about) is based on the ideas of others, that is just a part of history and progress. Lighten up a little Cyber Erotica are good peeps

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07-11-2002, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Toolz
Say FM - how is your rewards program everything ARS's is not but I can't find ONE thing on your site telling me how many of these points I get per sign up? and why do I have to sign up 15 times to promote all of the programs on your site?

We offer more products and lower priced products so they are obtainable.

You can get that info if you go to your stats page and view http://cevault.com

Also, if you sign up for one program, you are joined into all of our programs, guess you have some outdated information.
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07-11-2002, 01:34 PM

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i hate CyberErotica

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07-11-2002, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by askmomma
Payrollpete, you are way out of line here jumping on CE like this.
They are 1 of the original companies in this biz. If you were around way back then you would know this. Also every idea (just about) is based on the ideas of others, that is just a part of history and progress. Lighten up a little Cyber Erotica are good peeps

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07-11-2002, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by askmomma
Payrollpete, you are way out of line here jumping on CE like this.
They are 1 of the original companies in this biz. If you were around way back then you would know this. Also every idea (just about) is based on the ideas of others, that is just a part of history and progress. Lighten up a little Ron Levy is good peeps

askmomma,
The problem is that Ron keeps claiming he pioneers everything and pretends he doesn't get ideas from other companies. He doesn't give anyone else the credit they deserve for innovating and creating unique successful programs. He tries to claim they all stole the ideas from him.

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07-11-2002, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

askmomma,
The problem is that Ron keeps claiming he pioneers everything and pretends he doesn't get ideas from other companies. He doesn't give anyone else the credit they deserve for innovating and creating unique successful programs. He tries to claim they all stole the ideas from him.

Brujah let's not paint with a broad stroke - let's get down to program by program. Tell me which one we didn't break with first?
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07-11-2002, 01:37 PM

CyberErotica doesn't shave, 25% confirmation is not alarming, and the % will probably grow over time when you're with the program.
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07-11-2002, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Lensman
CyberErotica doesn't shave, 25% confirmation is not alarming, and the % will probably grow over time when you're with the program.

Thank you Lensman - btw, we're experiencing a much larger % of of confirms with this new program
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07-11-2002, 01:40 PM

thats true, it was a true pain in the ass to signup to cybererotical programs individually, dont know if it still is or not...

My original point was just its a pain in the ass, when they show you how much money you should be making (submissions) and then how much you've temporarily made (before deductions) with confirmations.... and confirmations are never near submissions, which i know isnt CEN's fault
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07-11-2002, 01:45 PM

FM I would like to say I like the pay increase. I have been using teen mail since You started it.

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07-11-2002, 01:48 PM

We love CyberErotica!

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07-11-2002, 01:50 PM

Ron,

Sorry by the looks of the program page looked as if you had to join under all of them, I remember it was this way in the past.

If I had an account and sent some traffic I'm sure I could figure out what the points are awarded per signup, what's the big secret here? Or does it vary for every program?
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07-11-2002, 01:59 PM

payrollpete, you go from complaining about his program and your past friends experience, to saying FM has done some great things, to a couple of posts down, with NO response from him or anyone else, to thrashing his program and his ideas again.

WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHO CAME UP WITH IT FIRST?

CeVault? The program is set up MUCH better than any other rewards points setup out there... They have a program every Monday, where I've already won $3k of points from them. Do I care if ARS or TCG or whatever came up with it first? No.

Do I think anyone else has as nice of a system as their vault and point system? Nope.

CEMags? Did they take the idea for the Ezine from Freeezinebucks? Maybe... Do I care? Nope, its just a nice face in front of an old program, plain and simple.

Im pretty sure FM was the first to come up with the $$$ upsells from the double opt system. I doubt anyone pays out as much as they do from that, from the 50 someodd emails I've sold with their program, I've already made 2 upsells at $10 a piece. and some dialer rev.
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My point? There are Inventers, and there are Innovators.

Inventers will never keep their product on top, unless they keep innovating as well. FM is both a great inventer and an innovator.

If you are brass enough to say that FM hasn't come up with anything original in this business, you REALLY need to pump out what businesses you run, so I can go through and point out your "INNOVATIONS"

Unless you created the concept of the paysite, or the concept of an egotistical dipshit... You really have no place to say anything in this thread.

There are only a FEW people in this business who can be considered TRUE innovators.. To name a few, Oxcash, Fantasyman, Lensman, and... my bud Hooper with conversioncash's programs.

I dont know you well enough to say you aren't one of them, but... from what YOU'VE said about CE and FM, you obviously don't know enough about them to say anything either.
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