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Urgent! This Affects YOU! VOTE NO on Measure B!

10-26-2012, 04:21 AM

Los Angeles county is proposing a potentially catastrophic law called "Measure B". This would require adult performers to wear not only condoms, but goggles, rubber gloves and lab coats during shoots.

www.VoteNoOnB.com

Governments across the globe are watching closely and view "Measure B" as a test case, if it passes, damage to the adult industry will be immeasurable. This will immediately cripple Los Angels based producers. These are some of the industries largest companies, they are your partners, your sponsors, your customers, your suppliers.

If successful, it will spread very quickly to every country, every city, every jurisdiction where adult is shot, this will affect all of us, everywhere....

Your livelihood is at stake. Please visit this website and support the campaign to educate Los Angels voters.

www.VoteNoOnB.com

- Donations of any amount are desperately needed for TV, Radio and Internet advertising.

- Spread the word. I have emailed every industry contact in my address book. I strongly encourage you to do the same.

- Vote no on Measure B! If you live in Los Angeles, be sure to get out and vote.

This is urgent, all of us are at risk, please do everything possible to help. Below is a recent list of contributors, the campaign needs much much more,
Lets get your name on this list!

Manwin $180,000
Free Speech Coalition $40,000
Vivid $35,000
Evil Angel $30,000
MetArt $25,000
Wicked Pictures $10,000
Scura $10,000
Pipedreams $10,000
IM LIVE $10,000
Hustler $10,000
Doc Johnson $10,000
Devils Films $10,000
Devil Films/Media Products $10,000
Cal Exotics $10,000
Adam and Eve $10,000
Jekyl & Hyde $5,500
Zero Tolerance $5,000
Video Secrets $5,000
Pleasure Productions/IVD $5,000
Pink Visual $5,000
New Sensations $5,000
Metro $5,000
Kink.com $5,000
Karen Tynan $5,000
Jet Set $5,000
Girlfriends $5,000
AEBN/NakedSword $5,000
Magna Publishing $2,500
West Coast Productions $2,000.00
Hotmovies $2,000
HardDrive Productions/Paul Pilcher $2,000.00
Web donations $1,259.00
Videobox $1,000
SH Studios $1,000
RS Adams/Random Screw $1,000
Romantix $1,000
Pulse Distribution $1,000
Plausable Films/Paul Fishbein $1,000
Paul Thomas $1,000
Good Vibrations $1,000
Evil Directors $1,000
Bo Llanberris (MetArt) $1,000
All Media Play $1,000
Vision Mind/Phil Varone $500
Meta Interfaces $500
Liquor Corp $500
101 Modeling $500
SPF Transfer $300
Mark Speigler $250
Mark Kernes $200
Jon Rogers $200
Sin Sage Inc $100
Severe Society Films $100
Kylie Ireland $100

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10-26-2012, 04:31 AM

Goggles, rubber gloves, and lab coats? For real?

On second thought, hey that could be a great new niche!

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10-26-2012, 04:42 AM

Everyone should move to Vegas a Florida.
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10-26-2012, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by Ed Hammer

Everyone should move to Vegas a Florida.

Exactly dont see a point to bother.Is not like they banning it entire country,just one state.
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10-26-2012, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

Exactly dont see a point to bother.Is not like they banning it entire country,just one state.

for now yes.

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10-26-2012, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by Ed Hammer

Everyone should move to Vegas a Florida.

No one should be forced to move anywhere....and moving is just a temporary fix. Soon, this will just be implemented everywhere else.

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

Exactly dont see a point to bother.Is not like they banning it entire country,just one state.

Try to take a big picture view...

Originally posted by Roald

for now yes.

PS We donate eyeballs this weekend!

Exactly!

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10-26-2012, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by myjah

Manwin $180,000
Free Speech Coalition $40,000
Vivid $35,000
Evil Angel $30,000
MetArt $25,000
Wicked Pictures $10,000
Scura $10,000
Pipedreams $10,000
IM LIVE $10,000
Hustler $10,000
Doc Johnson $10,000
Devils Films $10,000
Devil Films/Media Products $10,000
Cal Exotics $10,000
Adam and Eve $10,000
Jekyl & Hyde $5,500
Zero Tolerance $5,000
Video Secrets $5,000
Pleasure Productions/IVD $5,000
Pink Visual $5,000
New Sensations $5,000
Metro $5,000
Kink.com $5,000
Karen Tynan $5,000
Jet Set $5,000
Girlfriends $5,000
AEBN/NakedSword $5,000
Magna Publishing $2,500
West Coast Productions $2,000.00
Hotmovies $2,000
HardDrive Productions/Paul Pilcher $2,000.00
Web donations $1,259.00
Videobox $1,000
SH Studios $1,000
RS Adams/Random Screw $1,000
Romantix $1,000
Pulse Distribution $1,000
Plausable Films/Paul Fishbein $1,000
Paul Thomas $1,000
Good Vibrations $1,000
Evil Directors $1,000
Bo Llanberris (MetArt) $1,000
All Media Play $1,000
Vision Mind/Phil Varone $500
Meta Interfaces $500
Liquor Corp $500
101 Modeling $500
SPF Transfer $300
Mark Speigler $250
Mark Kernes $200
Jon Rogers $200
Sin Sage Inc $100
Severe Society Films $100
Kylie Ireland $100

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10-26-2012, 05:51 AM

Way to Go Jill!!!

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10-26-2012, 05:53 AM

Would vote but im in the UK

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10-26-2012, 06:43 AM

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Way to Go Jill!!!

Count Webmaster Central in as a supporter!

Awesome!! Thank you Andy - so glad to add Webmaster Central to the list of supporters!!

Originally posted by halfpint

Would vote but im in the UK

I realize a lot of adult industry participants cannot physically vote for this, SO please be pro-active and creative in other ways!

Add a link to www.VoteNoOnB.com to your sites, mail your affiliates, spread the message to all of your contacts, and if possible, make a donation that will allow the campaign to effectively educate LA voters via TV, Radio, and other media.

Do whatever you can, JUST DO SOMETHING!

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10-26-2012, 06:58 AM

I stopped counting at $400,000. That is quite a lot of money. Here is the problem I've always had with donating money to any cause that involves an organized group in the porn industry... There is usually no accountability for the money, only a plea to give it.

Is there an online break down of where the funds are being spent? If not, I'll pass and chalk this up to another FSC money grab. If so, please link it here so those of us who are on the fence can feel better about where our contributions go.
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10-26-2012, 07:59 AM

Even though we operate out of the State of Maryland and have nothing to do with California laws, we wanted to contribute because this does affect everybody in the industry. You may not see it now but if this one bill is allowed to pass more will follow in other areas.
Let stop this at the source. Please contribute anything you can - it will help!

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10-26-2012, 08:05 AM

FSC is just another donor to the cause.
I'm pretty sure a breakdown of expenses will be provided to donors at the conclusion of the campaign.
Give $25 and get a copy if you are so worried about a money grab.
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10-26-2012, 08:47 AM

It's time to shoot some porn!
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10-26-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

Exactly dont see a point to bother.Is not like they banning it entire country,just one state.

Not the whole state, just Los Angeles County.
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10-26-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by DWB

I stopped counting at $400,000. That is quite a lot of money. Here is the problem I've always had with donating money to any cause that involves an organized group in the porn industry... There is usually no accountability for the money, only a plea to give it.

Is there an online break down of where the funds are being spent? If not, I'll pass and chalk this up to another FSC money grab. If so, please link it here so those of us who are on the fence can feel better about where our contributions go.

Rest assured the donations are being used properly and the money is accounted for. Here is a breakdown of how contributions are being used. With $633,000, we can win the campaign against Measure B.

TV $400,000
Radio $120,000
Emails to voters $10,000
Mail postage $63,000
Staff & Lawyers $40,000
TOTAL $633,000

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10-26-2012, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Sarah_ALSSCAN

Even though we operate out of the State of Maryland and have nothing to do with California laws, we wanted to contribute because this does affect everybody in the industry. You may not see it now but if this one bill is allowed to pass more will follow in other areas.
Let stop this at the source. Please contribute anything you can - it will help!

Thank you for the support Sarah! Will be updating the donation list shortly and truly appreciate your help!

Originally posted by Redrob

FSC is just another donor to the cause.
I'm pretty sure a breakdown of expenses will be provided to donors at the conclusion of the campaign.
Give $25 and get a copy if you are so worried about a money grab.

Correct....this is certainly NOT a money grab.

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10-26-2012, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Redrob

FSC is just another donor to the cause.
I'm pretty sure a breakdown of expenses will be provided to donors at the conclusion of the campaign.
Give $25 and get a copy if you are so worried about a money grab.

You see this is the problem i have with this.....all the out and out lying about it. Yes its a horrible law but to say that the FSC is just another donor to the cause is a lie we all know it

Most of us know that the whole dental dams and goggles thing is also a lie, as is performers going to jail for not wearing condoms, webcam girls having to pay 150K a year for a health permit,it being about performer choice...yada yada yada.

either way this goes down in 10 or so days it isnt over, theres this huge dragon thats been created that must be killed.....2 of em actually.

the real truth is that all of the above listed companies dont want the government oversight. Now Im gonna say this on the record so everyone gets it......no matter how this comes down we as an industry had better clean up out act, and condoms being optional is a small price to pay for what we will lose if we dont. All that nonsense about us having the lowest std rates and all that is going to come back and bite us in the ass.

We wanted to be treated like a real business....well guess what those chickens are home to roost.

Stop with the lying and start rolling out fact based information and most importantly start proactively cleaning up this biz so that when it passes and the appeals start to hit the courts we can show real evidence that we dont need government oversight....

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10-26-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by mikesouth

You see this is the problem i have with this.....all the out and out lying about it. Yes its a horrible law but to say that the FSC is just another donor to the cause is a lie we all know it

Most of us know that the whole dental dams and goggles thing is also a lie, as is performers going to jail for not wearing condoms, webcam girls having to pay 150K a year for a health permit,it being about performer choice...yada yada yada.

either way this goes down in 10 or so days it isnt over, theres this huge dragon thats been created that must be killed.....2 of em actually.

the real truth is that all of the above listed companies dont want the government oversight. Now Im gonna say this on the record so everyone gets it......no matter how this comes down we as an industry had better clean up out act, and condoms being optional is a small price to pay for what we will lose if we dont. All that nonsense about us having the lowest std rates and all that is going to come back and bite us in the ass.

We wanted to be treated like a real business....well guess what those chickens are home to roost.

Stop with the lying and start rolling out fact based information and most importantly start proactively cleaning up this biz so that when it passes and the appeals start to hit the courts we can show real evidence that we dont need government oversight....

I'm very surprised that you don't see the enormous implications this will have if it passes...and are suggesting we should prepare to appeal it instead of get ahead of it to begin with.

Why do you consider factual information about our industry having the lowest std rates as 'nonsense'?

What exactly do you feel needs to be cleaned up? As "safe sex" movement, the fact that there has not been a single case of HIV transmission on an adult set since 2004 speaks volumes against this being truly about "safe sex" or "anti-HIV".

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10-26-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by myjah

I'm very surprised that you don't see the enormous implications this will have if it passes...and are suggesting we should prepare to appeal it instead of get ahead of it to begin with.

Why do you consider factual information about our industry having the lowest std rates as 'nonsense'?

What exactly do you feel needs to be cleaned up? As "safe sex" movement, the fact that there has not been a single case of HIV transmission on an adult set since 2004 speaks volumes against this being truly about "safe sex" or "anti-HIV".

1. Because the measure is polling over 65% among likely registered voters that it will pass

2. Because it is nonsense, thats why the FSC/APHSS whomever wont release the numbers, the truth is in the course of a single year almost 100% of performers in L.A. will be treated for Chlamydia or Gonorrhea, performers simply call it "porn flu" Its been happening for years....

3. That 2004 date is another lie, Derrick Burts for example, will tell you he got it on set, whether you wish to believe him or not his word is as good as that of the FSC. And I can guarantee you that 2004 was not really the last infection of HIV in this industry, but it isnt JUST about HIV there plenty of things now days that will kill you just as dead including Hep, which we dont test for, HPV which we dont test for, Syphillis which we didn't test for until a couple months ago.

AHF has one powerful thing on their side Condoms may not be 100% safe but they ARE the safest measure one can take and no matter how people in porn try to tell each other they fail, or whatever the general population believes it to be true and they are the ones that will be voting on it.

Both sides have used my editorials to support their causes which is fine by me because I believe the best offense or defense is the facts, not manufactured BS, But dont take my word for it, do the research yourself instead of believing whatever you hear from The FSC or me for that matter.

In the end after all the appeals and whatnot the judgement is going to come down to who has the most credibility....Remember that.

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10-26-2012, 12:24 PM

Mike will try and troll you for his blog.

Don't get sucked in. Check the facts.

Just my opinion.

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10-26-2012, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Redrob

Mike will try and troll you for his blog.

Don't get sucked in. Check the facts.

Just my opinion.

typical idiot response...where exactly in that post was my blog linked? See Redrob its that kind of bullshit made up response that has you guys in the position you are in.

and what did I say...I said dont believe the fsc or me check it for yourself

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10-26-2012, 12:42 PM

typical idiot response...where exactly in that post was my blog linked? See Redrob its that kind of bullshit made up response that has you guys in the position you are in.

and what did I say...I said dont believe the fsc or me check it for yourself

Typical MS....I agree with you and say to check the facts and I get called names and told I making up BS. Like I said.....a troll.
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10-26-2012, 12:45 PM

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Typical MS....I agree with you and say to check the facts and I get called names and told I making up BS. Like I said.....a troll.

dont pet me with one hand while trying to slap me with the other and say you are agreeing with me you sanctimonious piece of shit....Im not one those FSC myrmidons too fucking stupid to know the difference...

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10-26-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Redrob

FSC is just another donor to the cause.
I'm pretty sure a breakdown of expenses will be provided to donors at the conclusion of the campaign.
Give $25 and get a copy if you are so worried about a money grab.

Sure, I'll donate to the cause if I can see where it is being spent. Can you confirm I will get a breakdown of the expenses?

Also, who is actually controlling the money?
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10-26-2012, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by myjah

Why do you consider factual information about our industry having the lowest std rates as 'nonsense'?

Here are some real facts.

I've worked in LA four times. All four times I caught gonorrhea.

The first time I worked in LA, the girl (Jade Marcella) had a fake HIV test that I didn't catch until after the shoot. Neither her agent at the time (World Modeling) or AIM gave a shit when I told them about it and she continued to work for a long time after. No telling how many shoots she used this fake test on.

Just about everyone I know in the industry there also catches STDs regularly. It is so bad that many performers now pre-medicate before they test so they get a clean bill of health when they test so they can keep working. Many of them are eating antibiotics like M&Ms just so they can continue to work without testing positive.

Those are real facts. Now imagine what someone could say who works in LA full time if they were shooting you straight and wasn't trying to protect the industry. Anyone who claims "I've never caught an STD while working in porn" is a complete liar in every sense of the word. I've worked there four times, each time for 1 - 2 weeks, and caught an STD each time. Do the math.
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10-26-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by DWB

Sure, I'll donate to the cause if I can see where it is being spent. Can you confirm I will get a breakdown of the expenses?

Also, who is actually controlling the money?

Originally posted by myjah

Rest assured the donations are being used properly and the money is accounted for. Here is a breakdown of how contributions are being used. With $633,000, we can win the campaign against Measure B.

TV $400,000
Radio $120,000
Emails to voters $10,000
Mail postage $63,000
Staff & Lawyers $40,000
TOTAL $633,000

The donations go to the Vote No on Measure B Campaign, controlled by http://www.noongovernmentwaste.com/

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10-26-2012, 02:01 PM

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The donations go to the Vote No on Measure B Campaign, controlled by http://www.noongovernmentwaste.com/

So Manwin controls it.

No on gov waste is james lee, manwin hired lee for this campaign, the FSC has done nothing but pimp this since that time because the FSC is Manwins puppet...we get it..

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10-26-2012, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by DWB

Anyone who claims "I've never caught an STD while working in porn" is a complete liar in every sense of the word. I've worked there four times, each time for 1 - 2 weeks, and caught an STD each time. Do the math.

Sorry DWB, but I was male talent from 1995 to 2000 over on the East Coast. I NEVER caught an STD.

CM has now been shooting porn since May of 2007. We moved to Vegas in Sept. of 2008 so we occasionally shoot with LA talent and she has also shot several times with Naughty America. She has NEVER caught an STD.

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10-26-2012, 02:38 PM

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Sorry DWB, but I was male talent from 1995 to 2000 over on the East Coast. I NEVER caught an STD.

CM has now been shooting porn since May of 2007. We moved to Vegas in Sept. of 2008 so we occasionally shoot with LA talent and she has also shot several times with Naughty America. She has NEVER caught an STD.

I never caught an STD while working in the midwest and I shot close to 200 girls there. Shot 80 or so in South America and never caught one there either. Yet I worked in LA four times and got burned all four times. Those I know who work in LA also get burned. Claudia is lucky if she hasn't caught anything yet. I'd bet a pair of saggy udders if you were in LA and working there full time, you would not be able to make the same claim. It's just a numbers game, and the numbers are high there.
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10-26-2012, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by DWB

I never caught an STD while working in the midwest and I shot close to 200 girls there. Shot 80 or so in South America and never caught one there either. Yet I worked in LA four times and got burned all four times. Those I know who work in LA also get burned. Claudia is lucky if she hasn't caught anything yet. I'd bet a pair of saggy udders if you were in LA and working there full time, you would not be able to make the same claim. It's just a numbers game, and the numbers are high there.

So, without it having anything to do with donating...do you support Measure B or oppose it?

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10-26-2012, 02:44 PM

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Los Angeles county is proposing a potentially catastrophic law called "Measure B". This would require adult performers to wear not only condoms, but goggles, rubber gloves and lab coats during shoots.

Not even close to being true.
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10-26-2012, 02:46 PM

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Not even close to being true.

Please provide documentation that shows otherwise.

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10-26-2012, 02:49 PM

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Please provide documentation that shows otherwise.

You do realize that you are asking him to prove a negative right?

None the less if you read the law you will see it spcifically states condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse

nothing is said about dental damns, lab coats, goggles or even oral sex...you see this is why voters do not believe the porn press....they lie....

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10-26-2012, 03:06 PM

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You do realize that you are asking him to prove a negative right?

None the less if you read the law you will see it spcifically states condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse

nothing is said about dental damns, lab coats, goggles or even oral sex...you see this is why voters do not believe the porn press....they lie....

READ THE BILL

If you read Measure B in its entirety, you will find the following language:

"Whenever the department determines that a permittee has failed to comply with the requirements of this chapter, any other violation of law creating a risk of exposing performers to sexually transmitted infections, including any violation of applicable provisions of the Los Angeles County Code, the California Health and Safety Code, the blood borne pathogen standard, California Code of Regulations Title 8 Section 5193 or the exposure control plan of the producer of adult films, or any combination thereof," that permit may be revoked.

If you then follow up and look at Title 8 Section 5193, you will find the following language:

"Where occupational exposure remains after institution of engineering and work practice controls, the employer shall provide, at no cost to the employee, appropriate personal protective equipment such as, but not limited to, gloves, gowns, laboratory coats, face shields or masks and eye protection, and mouthpieces, resuscitation bags, pocket masks, or other ventilation devices. Personal protective equipment will be considered 'appropriate' only if it does not permit blood or OPIM to pass through to or reach the employee's work clothes, street clothes, undergarments, skin, eyes, mouth, or other mucous membranes under normal conditions of use and for the duration of time which the protective equipment will be used." [OPIM is "other potentially infectious material"]

Therefore, masks, goggles, rubber gloves, dental dams and, yes, hazmat suits WILL BE required by Measure B.

True, most people believe the measure is just about condoms. It isn't.
Title 8 Section 5193 - http://www.dir.ca.gov/title8/5193.HTML

That is what is passing in the fine print of the measure and what we are fighting for...it's not about condoms...this a measurement to stamp out porn productions

A porn shoot will be under the same rules and regulations as a hospital and failure to have proper equipment to protect everyone on the set from Hazardous Substances will be subject to incarceration of 6 months in jail. This will be a criminal act.

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10-26-2012, 03:09 PM

Absolutely an effort to do through workplace regulations what they couldn't achieve through obscenity prosecutions: make the industry unprofitable and shutdown production.

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10-26-2012, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Redrob

Absolutely an effort to do through workplace regulations what they couldn't achieve through obscenity prosecutions: make the industry unprofitable and shutdown production.

Just my opinion.

Totally accurate.

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10-26-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Not even close to being true.

did you even read this???? it is VERY true!
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10-26-2012, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by myjah

So, without it having anything to do with donating...do you support Measure B or oppose it?

I believe a lot of what happens in LA is reckless and very few companies actually care about talent. This is more about trying to sell product and worrying condoms will hurt those sales than it is anything else, and you can see by the amounts donated who is worried the most. Whatever else this is wrapped around is nonsense and just being used to to persuade voters. It is easy to see through the BS that is being spun here because I've seen behind the curtain. However, I do not work in LA anymore, therefore I am not bound to protect it, so I will tell the truth about my experiences there.

Having said that, I am very much opposed to the government stepping in and regulating what a person can and can not do with their body, even though it is a work place and many other professions have safety regulations they have to abide by. Consenting adults should be permitted to be as reckless or responsible as they choose with their own bodies. So for this reason only, if I could vote, I would oppose Measure B and let everyone choose to do what they wish. Whatever happens, happens. We are all adults and responsible for our actions and decisions. None of us needs the government telling us who we can and can not have unprotected sex with.

In regards to donating, I don't mind tossing in a few bucks. But this is the sort of thing that concerns me again. Even though you have been most excellent at answering my questions while Rob played typical FSC games, this is what I see on the whois for the website controlling the money donated:

It is difficult to trust an organization asking for money who has to hide their information from the public. That means it leads back to someone who wants to hide their involvement, or control of the money. My guess is either the FSC or Manwin. If I had to bet, I'd bet it all on the latter.

That said, I would like to ask you a hypothetical question. Do you trust the industry and those running it enough to have unprotected sex with any of the performers in it on a regular basis? It is easy to support a cause such as this from the sidelines. I'm curious if you would play in the game and still feel the same way about opposing condom use.
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10-26-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Redrob

Absolutely an effort to do through workplace regulations what they couldn't achieve through obscenity prosecutions: make the industry unprofitable and shutdown production.

Just my opinion.

Yet the industry cheers on and partners with the organization who has done exactly that and will continue to do it until they own almost everything of value and destroy what they can't own or see as competition.

That's porn logic for ya.
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10-26-2012, 03:33 PM

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Stop with the lying and start rolling out fact based information and most importantly start proactively cleaning up this biz so that when it passes and the appeals start to hit the courts we can show real evidence that we dont need government oversight....

Well said.

They will want the proof & the pudding.

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10-26-2012, 03:34 PM

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You do realize that you are asking him to prove a negative right?

None the less if you read the law you will see it spcifically states condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse

nothing is said about dental damns, lab coats, goggles or even oral sex...you see this is why voters do not believe the porn press....they lie....

Are a lawyer?
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10-26-2012, 03:34 PM

I do not post here much, but I am dropping in today to leave my support in favor not passing Measure B.

The government has more important issues to deal with.

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10-26-2012, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by DWB

That said, I would like to ask you a hypothetical question. Do you trust the industry and those running it enough to have unprotected sex with any of the performers in it on a regular basis? It is easy to support a cause such as this from the sidelines. I'm curious if you would play in the game and still feel the same way about opposing condom use.

Hypothetically then....as a person who has been on the production and direction side of content, I can say that I would absolutely trust having unprotected sex with performers....I always ensured the STD tests were accurate and up-to-date and never subjected performers to any situation that was questionable. As a performer, I would insist on seeing all tests and never perform if there was a questionable situation. Which is a great example of why STDs among adult performers is a non topic here.

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10-26-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by myjah

READ THE BILL

If you read Measure B in its entirety, you will find the following language:

"Whenever the department determines that a permittee has failed to comply with the requirements of this chapter, any other violation of law creating a risk of exposing performers to sexually transmitted infections, including any violation of applicable provisions of the Los Angeles County Code, the California Health and Safety Code, the blood borne pathogen standard, California Code of Regulations Title 8 Section 5193 or the exposure control plan of the producer of adult films, or any combination thereof," that permit may be revoked.

If you then follow up and look at Title 8 Section 5193, you will find the following language:

"Where occupational exposure remains after institution of engineering and work practice controls, the employer shall provide, at no cost to the employee, appropriate personal protective equipment such as, but not limited to, gloves, gowns, laboratory coats, face shields or masks and eye protection, and mouthpieces, resuscitation bags, pocket masks, or other ventilation devices. Personal protective equipment will be considered 'appropriate' only if it does not permit blood or OPIM to pass through to or reach the employee's work clothes, street clothes, undergarments, skin, eyes, mouth, or other mucous membranes under normal conditions of use and for the duration of time which the protective equipment will be used." [OPIM is "other potentially infectious material"]

Therefore, masks, goggles, rubber gloves, dental dams and, yes, hazmat suits WILL BE required by Measure B.

True, most people believe the measure is just about condoms. It isn't.
Title 8 Section 5193 - http://www.dir.ca.gov/title8/5193.HTML

That is what is passing in the fine print of the measure and what we are fighting for...it's not about condoms...this a measurement to stamp out porn productions

A porn shoot will be under the same rules and regulations as a hospital and failure to have proper equipment to protect everyone on the set from Hazardous Substances will be subject to incarceration of 6 months in jail. This will be a criminal act.

You see there ya go repeating what clearly isnt true....yes repeat offenders can be held to stricter controls but the law only calls for condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse

The proposed amendment would require producers of adult films to obtain a public health permit from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (the "Department") in order to engage in the production of adult films for commercial purposes, and to pay a permit fee set by the Department to offset the cost of enforcement. The measure would require the use of condoms for all acts of anal or vaginal sex during the production of adult films, as well as the posting of both the public health permit and a notice to performers regarding condom use. Producers are required to provide a written exposure control plan describing how the ordinance will be implemented. A "producer" means any person or entity that produces, finances or directs adult films for commercial purposes.

Violation of the ordinance would be subject to both civil fines and criminal misdemeanor charges. The Department would be authorized to enforce the provisions of the ordinance, including suspending or revoking the public health permit due to violations of the ordinance, or any other law including applicable provisions of the Health and Safety Code, blood borne pathogen standard, California Code of Regulations, or the exposure plan of the producer. Suspension or revocation of the public health permit requires notice and an opportunity for an administrative review, unless the Department found or reasonably suspected immediate danger to the public health and safety, in which case the Department could immediately suspend or revoke the public health permit, initiate a criminal complaint, or issue a fine, pending an administrative hearing. "

So long as you you dont violate the law you ahve nothing to worry about....now while I admit its a bad law nitpicking here isnt going to solve the problem that it IS going to pass most likely and if you want to have a prayer of being condom optional youd better start doing better than what you are.

We can discuss it here till we are all outta breath but I bet there arent a dozen people here who are voting on it one way or the other, according to the polls you have to change 1.55 Million votes

You aint gonna do it preaching to the choir.

Use common sense NOBODY including you really believes that dental damns, goggles and lab coats would be forced on the industry only an idiot prosecutor would try that because it would fail causing unintended consequences.

What you had better prepare for is mandatory condom use because THAT is a real potential outcome, the BEST you can hope for is condom optional, but if you want that you damn well better start acting like it.

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10-26-2012, 04:07 PM

There are two issues here that should offend every member of the adult biz.

1 . If this measure passes it will do financial damage to our industry. It has the potential to snowball in any number of ways. None of which are good for anybody here. This will effect YOU.

2 . This is another example of government interference and a further erosion of personal liberties, a tightening of government control. Anybody who works in adult already rides the very outer edges of what is "allowed". This is not good for any of us.

I see people picking away at the details, trying to pull it apart - break it down. This movement needs our support, Donate if you can (I have), Vote if you can, Spread the word if you can.

We are all on the same side of this issue.
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10-26-2012, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by TLE

There are two issues here that should offend every member of the adult biz.

1 . If this measure passes it will do financial damage to our industry. It has the potential to snowball in any number of ways. None of which are good for anybody here. This will effect YOU.

2 . This is another example of government interference and a further erosion of personal liberties, a tightening of government control. Anybody who works in adult already rides the very outer edges of what is "allowed". This is not good for any of us.

I see people picking away at the details, trying to pull it apart - break it down. This movement needs our support, Donate if you can (I have), Vote if you can, Spread the word if you can.

We are all on the same side of this issue.

Ernest Greene disagrees with you:

"For the record, condoms are used in every picture I shoot and they remain extremely commercial. I completely reject the contention that condom use would make porn unprofitable. That is a red herring. I said at the very meeting where you accuse me of flacking for irresponsible producers that I consider condom use nothing more than a creative challenge for picture makers that can be easily integrated into successful productions with a bit of imagination. I?ve shot, and sold successfully, more condom footage than any director in the history of this medium, starting with Nina?s first Guide shoot in 1992.

I?m all for condoms and always have been. They?re a minor challenge to a good cameraman and a good editor."

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10-26-2012, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by myjah

Hypothetically then....as a person who has been on the production and direction side of content, I can say that I would absolutely trust having unprotected sex with performers....I always ensured the STD tests were accurate and up-to-date and never subjected performers to any situation that was questionable. As a performer, I would insist on seeing all tests and never perform if there was a questionable situation. Which is a great example of why STDs among adult performers is a non topic here.

Fair enough. What about working with males who are switch hitters, working in both the gay and hetro scenes? Would you still trust industry testing with them, or use a condom to be safe?

Personally, I'd use a condom with those guys no matter what. They shouldn't even be allowed to cross over. There is playing with fire, and then there is PLAYING WITH FIRE.
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10-26-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by mikesouth

Ernest Greene disagrees with you:

"For the record, condoms are used in every picture I shoot and they remain extremely commercial. I completely reject the contention that condom use would make porn unprofitable. That is a red herring. I said at the very meeting where you accuse me of flacking for irresponsible producers that I consider condom use nothing more than a creative challenge for picture makers that can be easily integrated into successful productions with a bit of imagination. I’ve shot, and sold successfully, more condom footage than any director in the history of this medium, starting with Nina’s first Guide shoot in 1992.

I’m all for condoms and always have been. They’re a minor challenge to a good cameraman and a good editor."

Mike

I am at a loss. Are you in support of measure B? All I have seen is post after post that try to undermine all efforts to prevent it from passing. We could argue all day about how it will be enforced, about how shooting "around" condoms is a money maker or how this measure will never grow in scope or territory.

But in general terms i can not see how this measure is good for anybody who makes their living in this industry. Why do we not have 100% support here. Mike why are you fighting our rejection of this law?

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