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  • thonglife
    So Fucking Banned
    • Oct 2004
    • 1566

    #51
    Well... it's a stretch but I'd like to see how they respond.
    "Your message has been sent to ICANN."
    Thx Bjorn

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    • SmokeyTheBear
      ►SouthOfHeaven
      • Jun 2004
      • 28609

      #52
      Originally posted by thonglife
      That just gave me an idea. Am I reading this right? This would apply to pornbb.
      Section 1.2 Top-Level Domain. The Top-Level Domain to which this Agreement applies is .org ("TLD").
      http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements...mt-08dec06.htm

      They are violating both of these by collecting revenues from adbrite and obviously involved in illegal file distribution. Isn't this solid ground for petitioning ICANN to drop them?
      they have enough for a lawyer , any good lawyer will argue that they arent actually turning a "profit", but still a good way to start
      hatisblack at yahoo.com

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      • d-null
        . . .
        • Apr 2007
        • 13724

        #53
        Originally posted by thonglife
        That just gave me an idea. Am I reading this right? This would apply to pornbb.
        Section 1.2 Top-Level Domain. The Top-Level Domain to which this Agreement applies is .org ("TLD").
        http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements...mt-08dec06.htm
        I'm not a lawyer, but it looks to me like you are reading it incorrectly. That section refers to a contract between ICANN and the registry corporation, not the domain end user.

        Perhaps the requirement of .org domains to be used for non-profit sites is somewhere else in their guidelines.

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        • xmas13
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2004
          • 5176

          #54
          Originally posted by sweetcuties
          AS FUCKING USUAL, WE FUCK OURSELVES IN THE END!

          So, Rapidshare and others make a fortune teaching the next generation to be freeloaders and leeches! Now, we've got a generation of people who feel their entitled to everything and anything for free
          ICQ 557504926

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          • polish_aristocrat
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jul 2002
            • 40377

            #55
            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
            actually yes , sales in the porn industry are on the decline for the first year ever.
            wouldn't surprise me... but I wonder how do you know it?
            I don't use ICQ anymore.

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            • ElConquistador
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2004
              • 520

              #56
              Pornbb - if it's not bogus info, they're about a 1/2 block from LAX


              Registrant Organization:WhoisGuard
              Registrant Street1:8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 -
              Registrant Street2:732
              Registrant Street3:
              Registrant City:Westchester
              Registrant State/Province:CA
              Registrant Postal Code:90045
              Registrant Country:US
              Registrant Phone:+1.6613102107

              they're part of the katz.to network, whoever the fuck that is
              http://katz.cd/dmca.htm

              http://katz.to/buttons.htm

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              • pornhead
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2006
                • 135

                #57
                I don't think we should blame Rapidshare, torrents, forums and tube sites with stolen content. They have the opportunity to do this and they will do it.

                The only way to solve this is paysite owners start protecting their content - with the latest DRM technology, and other ways. In the coming future there will be smarter paysite owners that produce exclusive and original content for which the customer is willing to pay for. And if the surfer couldn't find it for free then he would join the paysite. And eventually paysites, that are producing original and exclusive content and that are able to protect their content, will be able to generate more sales and will attract more affiliates.

                Evolution.

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                • pornhead
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 135

                  #58
                  For example - before being an adult webmaster, I used to find passwords for paysites in google. But I never managed to find a password for givemepink, and I just loved that Sophie Moon and Sandra Shine videos. So till today givemepink is the only paysite I have ever payed for. But today you are able to find anything for free, even those two episodes, sad.

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                  • [ScreaM]
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 1664

                    #59
                    Bomb their servers.

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                    • SmokeyTheBear
                      ►SouthOfHeaven
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 28609

                      #60
                      Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                      wouldn't surprise me... but I wonder how do you know it?
                      various articles. i think avn ran an article about it at some point
                      hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                      • gideongallery
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 7082

                        #61
                        Originally posted by Eman - PG
                        Yeah the rules of engagement have changed.

                        - TGPs were giving away limited amounts of porn and advertising paysites
                        - MGPs were giving away 30 second movies and advertising paysites
                        - Kazaa was giving away full movies but it was somewhat inconvenient, more techy and slow to download. I doubt as many US ppl are using Kazaa anymore after the lawsuits.
                        - 95% of passwords sites were operated by affiliates and programs and the passwords were limited, demos or expired. Sparta & similar programs kinda nuked the whole sharing thing.

                        Now Rapdishare/Megaporn/Megarotic are giving away full DVD movies, full paysite movie rips, full paysite rips and are upselling their own memberships. How exactly do you adapt to that?

                        Let me paint a different picture. If Burgerking decided to start giving away burgers that they stole from Wendy's, what could McDonald's to prevent their business from falling apart.
                        i suggest you watch piracy is good ? on youtube

                        mark pierce was correct in his statements about moving to live

                        every paysite could benefit from that
                        solo girls sites and mega sites should add chatting with the models

                        going after them when they exist in countries were their actions are not illegal is a losing battle because the publicity from the attack drive more visitors to their sites.

                        “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                        • Antonio
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 14136

                          #62
                          Originally posted by stev0
                          That's a pretty ridiculous way to think of it... if you own a store and someone is stealing from you, you would say "oh well" and start selling something else? Of course not, you should catch the fucker doing it and hold them responsible.
                          I see it as a "adapt or die" strategy not as "running away rather than fighting". If you have the resourses by all means fight it, the thieves are all over the globe living in many countries with many different laws, how exactly are you going to stop them?

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                          • Barefootsies
                            Choice is an Illusion
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 42635

                            #63
                            Originally posted by notoldschool
                            Sales are not down. Your traffic is.
                            Actually, neither are.

                            Should You Email Your Members?

                            Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                            Enough Said.

                            "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                            • kenny
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2002
                              • 7245

                              #64
                              Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                              they have enough for a lawyer , any good lawyer will argue that they arent actually turning a "profit", but still a good way to start
                              It doesn't matter if they turn a profit or not as long as they aren't structured as a nonprofit organization.
                              7

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                              • djscrib
                                Confirmed User
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 147

                                #65
                                General question for you. Is the major complaint that content just gets posted on rapidshare/torrents? Or is it also as big of a problem that passwords get shared on forums and spikes your bandwidth bills?
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                                • thonglife
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Oct 2004
                                  • 1566

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by [ScreaM]
                                  Bomb their servers.
                                  I wouldn't do this personally but I have witnessed first-hand a "Reflected" DDOS attack against my server and it has to be one of the biggest pains in the ass to stop because all the packets are spoofed. Even my host threw their hands up in the air for about a week and we were helpless to stop it.

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                                  • thonglife
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Oct 2004
                                    • 1566

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by djscrib
                                    General question for you. Is the major complaint that content just gets posted on rapidshare/torrents? Or is it also as big of a problem that passwords get shared on forums and spikes your bandwidth bills?
                                    The problem is two-fold. The people use the stolen passwords on the sites then rip them to rapidshare/torrents.

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                                    • djscrib
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 147

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by thonglife
                                      The problem is two-fold. The people use the stolen passwords on the sites then rip them to rapidshare/torrents.
                                      Well one possibility is to identify the leading site ripping software. Then add a layer of obsufucation on your site that effectively breaks the ripper. Obviously an <a href> tag is going to get grabbed real fast, but javascript layers between your pages and downloads are notoriously difficult to automatically rip.

                                      The goal being to require a person to manually rip your site file by file. That would slow the problem, but then again, it only takes 1 person to rip a site to get it on the free file systems.

                                      Can you make it even more painful for them though? E.G. would you lose users if you required people to view some of the photos via a flash plug-in or something? If they had flash installed, the user experience should be exactly the same as before. However with the plugin, you can drop in some basic encryption and completely prevent the standard right click save-as method for saving photos.

                                      Just some thoughts, the kneejerk reaction is to say "DRM everything" but being a realist, that only works for a minority of people. Are there some other tricks to be applied to protect your content that are transparent to legitimate users, and a strong deterrent against site rippers.
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                                      • kovacs
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Nov 2007
                                        • 248

                                        #69
                                        There's a significant amount of money involved here...

                                        Find out who the owner is, put a bullet in his head... Problem solved

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                                        • brandonstills
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2007
                                          • 1964

                                          #70
                                          One solution is to beat them at their own game. Flood the sites with large files that are just garbage. They will eventually get frustrated with it and give up. Not sure how much work it would be and they can counter by having a "report a bad link" type of option but it's something I don't really see people doing.

                                          Brandon Stills
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                                          • HouseHead
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2003
                                            • 5539

                                            #71
                                            I have not seen to much of a change, must be our awesome content..
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                                            • Walrus
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2005
                                              • 2150

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by sweetcuties
                                              This has to be one of the most ignorant things I've heard and I keep hearing from a few. Adapt to leeches stealing our content and posting them all over the fucking place
                                              I agree. When these guys say to "adapt", what exactly do they mean? The only thing you can do is build more traffic... which takes t i m e.
                                              Last edited by Walrus; 12-08-2007, 04:40 PM.

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                                              • yumma
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jul 2007
                                                • 579

                                                #73
                                                situation is only worse every day and soon thats will be real problem.
                                                solution - working laws. but who cares about porn industry
                                                naked teens finger bang big ass babes ass fucking

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                                                • thonglife
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                  • 1566

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by Insane Matt
                                                  I have not seen to much of a change, must be our awesome content..
                                                  Are you sure about that?
                                                  "dream kelly"
                                                  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...22&btnG=Search
                                                  72,500 results
                                                  "dream kelly" + rapidshare
                                                  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...re&btnG=Search
                                                  151,000 results
                                                  Last edited by thonglife; 12-08-2007, 06:55 PM.

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                                                  • tony299
                                                    lurker
                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 57021

                                                    #75
                                                    Someone has to make a drm technology that is truly worth a shit, they would become very rich.

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                                                    • ElConquistador
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                      • 520

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by thonglife
                                                      Are you sure about that?
                                                      "dream kelly"
                                                      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...22&btnG=Search
                                                      72,500 results
                                                      "dream kelly" + rapidshare
                                                      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...re&btnG=Search
                                                      151,000 results

                                                      Yea, he's in fairtale land. DreamKelly and Silvercash content are all OVER the torrents. Let them go on thinking their too big or good to be hurt by it... karma is a bitch.

                                                      Of course, I don't wish anything bad on them, I just wish all the big companies with that pollyanna attitude would wake the fuck up.

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                                                      • gideongallery
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2003
                                                        • 7082

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by Walrus
                                                        I agree. When these guys say to "adapt", what exactly do they mean? The only thing you can do is build more traffic... which takes t i m e.

                                                        do what tv has done

                                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxCoCTc3T5Q

                                                        “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                                        • Redrob
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                          • 4791

                                                          #78
                                                          Let's see what is coming out of the Adult Content Producer's Group that was initiated by AIR3k at Shane's World when they give their presentation in January or February.
                                                          Last edited by Redrob; 12-08-2007, 07:31 PM.

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                                                          • d-null
                                                            . . .
                                                            • Apr 2007
                                                            • 13724

                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by Bjorn
                                                            As far as i know www.removeyourcontent.com is the only one taking action in this, just wish more sponsors would start supporting him and get content removed.. ...

                                                            Hope more sponsors will see the light and get their content removed from the forums
                                                            Agreed, they should either do it themselves as a continuous effort or have someone take care of it for them.

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                                                            • DaddyHalbucks
                                                              A freakin' legend!
                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                              • 18975

                                                              #80
                                                              Sue the mofos.
                                                              Boner Money

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                                                              • ElConquistador
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Dec 2004
                                                                • 520

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks
                                                                Sue the mofos.
                                                                somebody just might someday - only thing is, it'll take YEARS to work through the courts.

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                                                                • teenytricia
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Jan 2007
                                                                  • 295

                                                                  #82
                                                                  I think I am going to live on a sailboat.

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                                                                  • iSMOKE
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jul 2007
                                                                    • 1028

                                                                    #83
                                                                    some people are still making $$. work a little harder

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                                                                    • just a punk
                                                                      So fuckin' bored
                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                      • 32385

                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by pornhead
                                                                      For example - before being an adult webmaster, I used to find passwords for paysites in google. But I never managed to find a password for givemepink, and I just loved that Sophie Moon and Sandra Shine videos. So till today givemepink is the only paysite I have ever payed for. But today you are able to find anything for free, even those two episodes, sad.
                                                                      Are you just another jerking surfer? Thanks for your "wise" advices about protecting then.
                                                                      Obey the Cowgod

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                                                                      • GUNNER
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                        • 2115

                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by iSMOKE
                                                                        some people are still making $$. work a little harder
                                                                        We're still making money, that's not the point. It's a decreasing amount of money and these are real issues with a direct impact on the bottom line for almost everyone in the industry. If you or anyone else fails to see that, I wish you luck... you're gonna need it.


                                                                        or maybe you'll just work harder.
                                                                        gunner @tutamail.com
                                                                        25 years in the jizz biz

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                                                                        • iSMOKE
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jul 2007
                                                                          • 1028

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by GUNNER
                                                                          We're still making money, that's not the point. It's a decreasing amount of money and these are real issues with a direct impact on the bottom line for almost everyone in the industry. If you or anyone else fails to see that, I wish you luck... you're gonna need it.


                                                                          or maybe you'll just work harder.
                                                                          No doubt it sucks but thats why people shouldnt depend on websites to carry them their whole lives. Porn tube sites dont help things either but what can you do? things like that were bound to happen one day...if something like rapidshare is hurting sales now, imagine what things will be like in the years to come. along with complaining, people should get jobs. How many of us have downloaded music/movies for years and dont give a fuck if record labels/artists are losing $
                                                                          Is it suddenly a problem when someone does it back?

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                                                                          • d-null
                                                                            . . .
                                                                            • Apr 2007
                                                                            • 13724

                                                                            #87
                                                                            WRONG

                                                                            giving up is never the answer

                                                                            there is still right and wrong, and just because you can't stop all the wrongdoing is not a reason to give up completely

                                                                            imagine if napster hadn't been shut down years ago, it was getting so huge and they stopped it

                                                                            nowadays, there are itunes cards for sale in stores I go to everyday, and people are buying them.... if the world had given up and just let napster do its thing, there would be no itunes music cards for sale... the public were reminded that downloading copyrighted stuff was wrong, and many looked toward legal alternatives

                                                                            it is when total complacence toward copyright theft is allowed that things get really bad.... the future is more enforcement and new legal solutions in countries like Sweden that are currently letting pirates have asylum to set up their parasitic websites

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                                                                            • Aussie Rebel
                                                                              Blow Me U Geeks
                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                              • 5108

                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by Bjorn
                                                                              As far as i know www.removeyourcontent.com is the only one taking action in this, just wish more sponsors would start supporting him and get content removed..

                                                                              By now the only sponsors supporting the fight against rapidshare in this is:
                                                                              http://www.melissamoney.com
                                                                              http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com
                                                                              http://www.massivedollars.com

                                                                              Hope more sponsors will see the light and get their content removed from the forums
                                                                              Thanks Bjorn We are working very hard at the moment (with great success) getting tons and tons of rapidshare links and other filehost links killed on forums.
                                                                              Anyone that is interested having there content removed from forums see sig,

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                                                                              • Odin
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                                • 2545

                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by jetjet
                                                                                WRONG

                                                                                giving up is never the answer

                                                                                there is still right and wrong, and just because you can't stop all the wrongdoing is not a reason to give up completely

                                                                                imagine if napster hadn't been shut down years ago, it was getting so huge and they stopped it

                                                                                nowadays, there are itunes cards for sale in stores I go to everyday, and people are buying them.... if the world had given up and just let napster do its thing, there would be no itunes music cards for sale... the public were reminded that downloading copyrighted stuff was wrong, and many looked toward legal alternatives

                                                                                it is when total complacence toward copyright theft is allowed that things get really bad.... the future is more enforcement and new legal solutions in countries like Sweden that are currently letting pirates have asylum to set up their parasitic websites
                                                                                Do you realise how many p2p clients there are out there? The only people who pay for music now are pretty much the same people that would of paid in the past. Everyone else uses limewire, etc, they are exactly the same as napster was.
                                                                                ICQ: 637//961--015

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                                                                                • d-null
                                                                                  . . .
                                                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                                                  • 13724

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                  Do you realise how many p2p clients there are out there? The only people who pay for music now are pretty much the same people that would of paid in the past. Everyone else uses limewire, etc, they are exactly the same as napster was.

                                                                                  I do realize it, but it isn't the same as when napster was growing exponentially every day... if that hadn't have been stopped things would be different. If napster hadn't been taken care of and the other publicity along the way, I doubt that itunes music card sales would have even got off the ground. Limewire is far from what napster was turning into at its peak.

                                                                                  You are right though, it would probably take many more high profile cases of individuals being sued or prosecuted to really cause a shifting of attitudes.

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                                                                                  • Star 69
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                    • 8602

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                    The sad truth is, that it is not just things like rapid share that are bringing down sales. It is a LOT of things at the same time. Do the trading sites have an effect? Yes they do. But so does the economy, as well as the season, as well as the things like zango. With all this at the same time, sales and traffic are bound to drop.
                                                                                    Pornguy you are right
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                                                                                    • StarkReality
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                      • 4444

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Originally posted by Chief
                                                                                      Do you realise how many p2p clients there are out there? The only people who pay for music now are pretty much the same people that would of paid in the past. Everyone else uses limewire, etc, they are exactly the same as napster was.
                                                                                      I don't think P2P itself is the worst threat. It's the fact that it's no longer people networking together to share what they downloaded, it's companies building their business on distributing copyrighted content by exploiting legal loopholes or hiding in countries that don't enforce copyrights.

                                                                                      So, instead of trying to fight rapidshare, torrent sites and tubes themselves or trying to go for the surfers using them, it may be a good idea to go for the sponsors paying them...

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                                                                                      • DjiXas
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Sep 2007
                                                                                        • 1108

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by jollyperv
                                                                                        Something has got to be done
                                                                                        How about we all cry and post how bad tube or warez sites are, like few topics daily of this shit?

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