Can The Porn Business Change?

I think you're way off-base if you're talking about the big generic porn companies ("mainstream porn" as you called it)

As Mutt pointed out earlier...all their shit is vignette based and pretty tame and lame. Brazzers stuff is getting lighter and lighter as Fabian gets more worried and listens to too many lawyers...they just dropped one of their sites a few weeks ago that was themed about porn stars wanting rough sex and sent out notices to us affiliates the it didn't "fit" with Brazzers anymore.

Naughty America is also one of the biggest "mainstream" as you call it...generic as I call it, porn companies. Claudia Marie has shot with them many times, and I've been an affiliate since they were called SoCal Cash back in the day...they have ALWAYS been super vanilla and tame. They have a list of rules when they shoot to make sure that the girl isn't degraded in any way at all.

Twistys Hardcore has never, ever shot anything like you're describing.

The only big generic companies that did were Nasty Dollars...and they kinda went "soft" in comparison to the old days. The last 7 years or so of their content have been pretty much looking exactly like Naughty America's stuff. Which is what Brazzers did too. Copied the NA style and even stole their directors.

They all use the same girls and guys, same directors, same ideas.

None of them are on the level of Kink or Max Hardcore's stuff.

So I have to disagree with you on that point.

As for your main concept...Look, people like different shit. You hate seeing the girl nailed rough. Other guys LOVE it. Some guys like tiny, skinny anorexic girls. Some guys like obese women. Some guys dig watching girls do anal. Some guys are disgusted by it.

It's all fantasy and there are plenty of people who enjoy different things.

And yes, that even includes the women in the scenes. Some girls in this business HATE sex and have a general hatred of men. And conversely I know lots of girls who LOVE sex and can't fuck enough. And some girls who just like romantically "making love"...and some girls who actually enjoy gangbangs.

And when the right girl is matched to the right type of scene...you get fireworks and a great scene.

I'm just wondering if porn can evolve and change enough to survive.

i can say that www.saboom.com is definitely something different

I think we discussed that over on XBiz forum one day.

And when I looked at Saboom....it reminded me of the old interactive feeds from PornHolio back in the late 1990's/early 2000's.
Pretty much exactly the same.

Those old Pornholio interactive feeds let you choose the positions, what type of sex, where the cumshot went, etc.
They just filmed different versions of the scenes and the viewer was able "direct" (they didn't call it "interactive" yet) the movie in any way they wanted.

So no...I don't think it's really different.

Technology and the way porn is delivered to the end consumer will change and evolve but if the performances remain "intense" the same old issues still apply.

Bullshit. Sorry Dave but it is. I've shot girls or been shot with them for 40 years+ and my impression of the majority is they love sex. Some carry baggage, but still enjoy sex. It depends who they are with and how they are treated.

Did the bread change when it was no longer delivered on a bike and moved to a van?

i dont think anyone remembers (or cares) what was online 10 or 12 years ago - the name pornholio vaguely rings a bell but i have never heard of any interactive stuff from them.

i know there were interactive DVDs, but i dont think they were successful

it's about what is online and available right now - and from that point of view Saboom is different (i never claimed it's something no one else did before).

Yeah, Pornholio sold live feeds to damn near every pay site online. That was when paysites were mostly pictures and the owners would buy the feeds to have video on their sites.

I was just saying that interactive porn online isn't all that innovative because it's all been done before. Whereas the AEBN combination of the "Joystick" + "Real Touch" webcam set up is something that has never been done up until now.

What's needed is a latex or rubber glove-type device the dude can plug into his USB port. Then the cam model on the other end controls it and strokes him off.

Cha-ching!!

That's sort of what the Real Touch and Joystick do.

The cam model has the "Joy Stick" The customer has the "Real Touch"

The Customer puts the Real Touch that is plugged into USB on his cock. The model uses the "joy stick" (pressure sensitive dildo plugged into USB)
Whatever the model does to the JoyStick is done to the customers cock. If she strokes it, he feels it stroking with however much pressure and placement of her hand on the JoyStick. If she sucks it, he feels that. Inserts it, he feels it.

About the closest thing to having sex with somebody online as I've seen.

Ah, you don't agree with my sweeping generalization, eh?

Bah, they love being young.

Ask a woman you were shot with 40 years ago if she still loves sex.

I agree though, good content depends as much on the girl as it does with who they're with.

On the other hand, I don't think they should be able to choose their co-stars.

The co-star should want to fuck the girl more than she wants to fuck him.

The Zen of Paul Markham.

That's sort of what the Real Touch and Joystick do.

The cam model has the "Joy Stick" The customer has the "Real Touch"

The Customer puts the Real Touch that is plugged into USB on his cock. The model uses the "joy stick" (pressure sensitive dildo plugged into USB)
Whatever the model does to the JoyStick is done to the customers cock. If she strokes it, he feels it stroking with however much pressure and placement of her hand on the JoyStick. If she sucks it, he feels that. Inserts it, he feels it.

About the closest thing to having sex with somebody online as I've seen.

That's sort of what the Real Touch and Joystick do.

The cam model has the "Joy Stick" The customer has the "Real Touch"

The Customer puts the Real Touch that is plugged into USB on his cock. The model uses the "joy stick" (pressure sensitive dildo plugged into USB)
Whatever the model does to the JoyStick is done to the customers cock. If she strokes it, he feels it stroking with however much pressure and placement of her hand on the JoyStick. If she sucks it, he feels that. Inserts it, he feels it.

About the closest thing to having sex with somebody online as I've seen.

Going on 16 years in the business.

What I've seen over and over again is this; content trends in this business come in waves.

Harder - Softer - Harder - Softer


Content gets harder and harder until there is a backlash, and customers and producers change their stylings. Then it gets "softer" and ramps back up again out of customer boredom with it being soft.

Customers rare stay into the SAME style of content throughout their life. They experiment and enjoy all different types of content at different times. Their tastes evolve, then possibly revert.



There it is.

Just pointing out that what turns a man on isn't effected by the delivery vehicle. Be it 8mm film or virtual reality, little has changed in how to get a cock hard. Some rely to much on "It's the Internet" to sell a product.

You are absolutely correct in this statement. (That's right, I said it - Paul Markham is RIGHT!)

I remember, years ago, a series of old-timey porn videos called something like "What Got Grandpa Off". And it was "stag films" from the 1920's and 1930's. Everything was in black and white, silent films. And guess what? I whacked off to it.

(Says a lot about me hehe....)