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  • beks001
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    • Oct 2006
    • 1837

    #1

    Why is it so hard to find good help these days...

    I've been trying to find someone to help manage my blog network and it seems impossible to find someone to hire to do it. I've mostly been trying freelancer and odesk with very little quality results. Any suggestions? I know I can always post in the hiring now section as well but I'm asking on top of that.
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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635

    #2
    Yes it is.

    You can teach people a SKILL. You can't teach them the WILL to work (i.e. work ethic).

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    • shake
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      • Jul 2003
      • 4663

      #3
      If they had the will to work, they probably wouldn't be looking for a job blogging...

      It's really hard to find good people.
      Last edited by shake; 09-07-2012, 07:05 PM.
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      • Colmike9
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        #4
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        • Va2k
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          • Oct 2001
          • 10060

          #5
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          • Paul Markham
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            • Jun 2001
            • 52942

            #6
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            • epitome
              So Fucking Lame
              • Jun 2009
              • 12156

              #7
              You get what you pay for. It is not difficult to find smart, hard working and loyal employees if you compensate them adequately.

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              • Brujah
                Beer Money Baron
                • Jan 2001
                • 22157

                #8
                Originally posted by beks001
                I've been trying to find someone to help manage my blog network and it seems impossible to find someone to hire to do it. I've mostly been trying freelancer and odesk with very little quality results. Any suggestions? I know I can always post in the hiring now section as well but I'm asking on top of that.
                Check out this guy pr0nto, http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1041919

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                • beks001
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1837

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Brujah
                  Check out this guy pr0nto, http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1041919
                  Does he post the update and do the whole nine yards or just the post writing?
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                  • GARY LEE
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                    • Aug 2007
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                    #10
                    Politicians have made it so people can stay on unemployment forever, why should they work? Hey let's let all the illegal aliens get in the program as well. It's depressing.
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                    • DamageX
                      Marketing & Strategy
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 14293

                      #11
                      Originally posted by GARY LEE
                      Politicians have made it so people can stay on unemployment forever, why should they work? Hey let's let all the illegal aliens get in the program as well. It's depressing.
                      Retard, most of the people who work online don't originate from the US. Don't bring politics into this.
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                      • Brujah
                        Beer Money Baron
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 22157

                        #12
                        Originally posted by beks001
                        Does he post the update and do the whole nine yards or just the post writing?
                        He can do it all.

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                        • Roald
                          SecretFriends.com
                          • May 2001
                          • 27910

                          #13
                          Originally posted by epitome
                          You get what you pay for. It is not difficult to find smart, hard working and loyal employees if you compensate them adequately.
                          dont agree, finding people is easy sure but finding good people is tough. Even if you compensate adequately.


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                          • Barefootsies
                            Choice is an Illusion
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 42635

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Roald
                            dont agree, finding people is easy sure but finding good people is tough. Even if you compensate adequately.
                            Agreed.

                            Ask anyone in HR or who's run a business. Money does not magically generate work ethic. Myself, I have tested this many times over. Whether it was models, outsourcing, or hiring someone locally for various jobs. People with a good work ethic will produce whether they are making $7/hr or $15/hour.

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                            • candyflip
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 43069

                              #15
                              It's because no one who is hiring wants to pay what good help is worth.

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                              • DamageX
                                Marketing & Strategy
                                • Jun 2001
                                • 14293

                                #16
                                Originally posted by candyflip
                                It's because no one who is hiring wants to pay what good help is worth.

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                                • Fat Panda
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                                  • Aug 2006
                                  • 13296

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by beks001
                                  I've been trying to find someone to help manage my blog network and it seems impossible to find someone to hire to do it. I've mostly been trying freelancer and odesk with very little quality results. Any suggestions? I know I can always post in the hiring now section as well but I'm asking on top of that.
                                  you get what you pay for....

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                                  • beks001
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2006
                                    • 1837

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Roald
                                    dont agree, finding people is easy sure but finding good people is tough. Even if you compensate adequately.
                                    Roald, agreed man. It's not about the compensation. I have hired ppl to help to do things for different price points (some reasonable and others not) yet the lower compensation as been just as gold and better in certain instances.

                                    That being said I will pay whatever is necessary and reasonable. It's not about the money.

                                    Barefootsies, thanks for the feedback too. I'm on mobile so can't multi quote.
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                                    • Sly
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                                      • Sep 2004
                                      • 31376

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by epitome
                                      You get what you pay for. It is not difficult to find smart, hard working and loyal employees if you compensate them adequately.

                                      LOL.

                                      You must live in a different dimension than the rest of us.
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                                      • Best-In-BC
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                                        • Jun 2002
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                                        #20
                                        Most people cant afford good help
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                                        • DamageX
                                          Marketing & Strategy
                                          • Jun 2001
                                          • 14293

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Best-In-BC
                                          Most people cant afford good help
                                          Most help can't afford good people.
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                                          • Failed
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Mar 2011
                                            • 2301

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by beks001
                                            I've been trying to find someone to help manage my blog network and it seems impossible to find someone to hire to do it. I've mostly been trying freelancer and odesk with very little quality results. Any suggestions? I know I can always post in the hiring now section as well but I'm asking on top of that.
                                            I would suggest making a post that details exactly what needs to be done. There are many qualified people looking for work on this board, and elsewhere. But, how can any of us gauge whether or not we have time, ability, or desire to perform the duties this job entails when they haven't been properly detailed?

                                            My suggestion is be as detailed as possible and present yourself as an organized individual or you will attract the wrong type of people and continue to see turnover.
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                                            • Fat Panda
                                              Porn is Dead. Move along.
                                              • Aug 2006
                                              • 13296

                                              #23
                                              bottom line if you're not offering at least $40K+ annually you will never find exceptional help...and I doubt you're offering that

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                                              • Sly
                                                Let's do some business!
                                                • Sep 2004
                                                • 31376

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by beks001
                                                I've been trying to find someone to help manage my blog network and it seems impossible to find someone to hire to do it. I've mostly been trying freelancer and odesk with very little quality results. Any suggestions? I know I can always post in the hiring now section as well but I'm asking on top of that.
                                                What exactly is "manage your blog network?"

                                                I know that to you it makes perfect sense, but to outsiders it does not. It could really mean anything under the sun because everyone with a blog network is going to need something different.

                                                I suggest you sit down and make a list of everything that is involved with managing a blog network. Then take each of those items and break them down further into individual steps.

                                                Example:
                                                Task: Update blogs with content
                                                Step 1: Decide which content will be used for needed updates
                                                Step 2: Modify content so it meets the needs of the network (resize pictures, etc.)
                                                Step 3: Write the appropriate text for content sets
                                                Step 4: Add and schedule posts from premade content

                                                Now, YOU be the manager for this task. You need to decide which content should be used and create a list of this content. You then hire someone to choose appropriate pictures from the content sets, resize the pictures, create the text for the pictures, and e-mail everything back to you. YOU will then add and schedule the posts.

                                                You are on the right track in wanting someone to do all of this for you, but you are asking for something that is far too vague. You need to find a good person that can handle Step 2 and 3 and then mold them into a position where they can also handle Step 1 and 4, leaving you time to go onto the next project.

                                                Don't look for a manager. Look for someone that can complete specific tasks and is willing to learn and grow with you.
                                                Last edited by Sly; 09-08-2012, 08:32 AM.
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                                                • Roald
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                                                  • May 2001
                                                  • 27910

                                                  #25
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                                                  • Barefootsies
                                                    Choice is an Illusion
                                                    • Feb 2005
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by beks001
                                                    Roald, agreed man. It's not about the compensation. I have hired ppl to help to do things for different price points (some reasonable and others not) yet the lower compensation as been just as gold and better in certain instances.

                                                    That being said I will pay whatever is necessary and reasonable. It's not about the money.

                                                    Barefootsies, thanks for the feedback too. I'm on mobile so can't multi quote.
                                                    Exactly.

                                                    As you can clearly see from this thread, there are those who have actual business experience hiring people, who know something about this topic, and oddly (sarcasm) all having similar shared experience.

                                                    On the flip side, you have the fry cooks and lawn boys replying believing they are worth $40k for posting on GFY all day, and who probably have bad work ethic to begin with. I guess in bizzarro world, they go from being worthless to some value if you throw a few bucks in their coffer like the local panhandler. Which basically reiterates the point already made. Good people with a solid work ethic will work the same regardless of the money. These are the people who rise to the top over time, and prove their value.

                                                    Last edited by Barefootsies; 09-08-2012, 08:48 AM.
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                                                    • Barry-xlovecam
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                                                      • Jun 2010
                                                      • 18083

                                                      #27
                                                      What language?
                                                      Are you paying world class wages?

                                                      That is about $40K a year ...
                                                      Qualified people are not a dime a dozen ...
                                                      For subcontracted work add a suitable amount for fringe benefits.

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                                                      • Sly
                                                        Let's do some business!
                                                        • Sep 2004
                                                        • 31376

                                                        #28
                                                        PS Good employees are usually motivated by more than money. It may sound insane, but good employees can make money at another job. Good employees want to feel something. They want to be a part of something. They want to know they're moving forward. That they are trusted. That their boss is as loyal to them as they are to their boss.
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                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                          • Feb 2005
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Sly
                                                          PS Good employees are usually motivated by more than money. It may sound insane, but good employees can make money at another job. Good employees want to feel something. They want to be a part of something. They want to know they're moving forward. That they are trusted. That their boss is as loyal to them as they are to their boss.
                                                          Exactly.

                                                          I have had better luck hiring 40 and over, both locally and remotely. They appreciate having a job, bust their ass, and have a better work ethic. They more than earn their keep, and you reward them for their efforts and commitment.

                                                          This year I sent one to Disney with their family for a week, and the other to Chicago for vacation. Last year, it was free iPad. The point being, you give them rewards they are not expecting, and treat them well as the prove themselves.

                                                          Good employees you want to keep. Are willing to pay more. They have paid their dues, and it's easier to keep a good employee than train and hire new one's. It just takes some time to find the good one's who want a solid job, have the work ethic to become an asset versus an expense.

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                                                          • gimme-website
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                                            PS Good employees are usually motivated by more than money. It may sound insane, but good employees can make money at another job. Good employees want to feel something. They want to be a part of something. They want to know they're moving forward. That they are trusted. That their boss is as loyal to them as they are to their boss.
                                                            I agree with this. If your flower is sweet enough your bees will continue to visit for their nectar.
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                                                            • idolbucks
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                                                              • Dec 2008
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by beks001
                                                              I've been trying to find someone to help manage my blog network and it seems impossible to find someone to hire to do it. I've mostly been trying freelancer and odesk with very little quality results. Any suggestions? I know I can always post in the hiring now section as well but I'm asking on top of that.
                                                              Send me a PM with the details, main goals, time commitment required and the pay rate / method. I know someone who is American and does good work. Native English speaker and probably just what you are looking for.
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                                                              • mineistaken
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                                                                • Apr 2007
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Roald
                                                                dont agree, finding people is easy sure but finding good people is tough. Even if you compensate adequately.
                                                                Strange. I work with recruiting and I can say that sometime sits the opposite, you have a decent person with at least 9/10 work ethic level and its still not that easy to find him a job.
                                                                For instance if we are talking about blog updating and stuff like that you (or I) can find a very decent person for 1000-1500$/month. Remote working position, european employees. Is that adequate?

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                                                                • B.Barnato
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                                                                  • Nov 2010
                                                                  • 3618

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Not all Europeans are created equal.

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                                                                  • Grapesoda
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                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                    • 46238

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Roald
                                                                    dont agree, finding people is easy sure but finding good people is tough. Even if you compensate adequately.
                                                                    I agree with this statement

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                                                                    • jimmycooper
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                                                                      • May 2010
                                                                      • 4016

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Not only do people want to feel as if they are part of something but when ambitious people take a job, they want to know that they'll be taking something with them when they leave the job. Be it a new skill, a solid reference, something impressive for their cv, something new and unique to put in their portfolio. Things like that. If 'guy with a blog network' posts an ad looking for a monkey, a monkey is what he'll get.

                                                                      Do you have a business website? Or some type of site that ties the network together?

                                                                      If not, set one up immediately on a domain that will now be your company. Like MillionDollarQuestionsByBeksMedia.com. lol

                                                                      Then when you rewrite the ad and use the name of your new company and that you're looking to take things to the next level you'll be more than just a guy with a blog network.

                                                                      Try to think of things you can offer as incremental bonuses.

                                                                      If you hire someone for a 6 month job and give them a free domain after every round of 2x month updates (with 1 year hosting), they'll know they'll have 12 websites and 6 more months of free hosting when they leave. Not only that but there's a chance they'll do your shit quicker so they can get their domain and start working on their stuff thereby offsetting the cost of domains/hosting.

                                                                      If you want them to stick around for awhile, pay attention to what interests them and find projects that suit those interests. If you have 100 sites and you hire someone that's interested in SEO, have them pull and analyze some advanced primary data. Only after they do their posts of course. Even if you don't think you'll need that info at the time you ask for it to be gathered, there's a good chance you'll be able to somehow benefit by having it.
                                                                      Last edited by jimmycooper; 09-08-2012, 04:40 PM.

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                                                                      • JimmyStephans
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                                                                        • Mar 2003
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                        Agreed.

                                                                        Ask anyone in HR or who's run a business. Money does not magically generate work ethic. Myself, I have tested this many times over. Whether it was models, outsourcing, or hiring someone locally for various jobs. People with a good work ethic will produce whether they are making $7/hr or $15/hour.

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