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Is it possible to legaly promote sponsors off of a torrent site? (READ THE TEXT 1st!)

11-20-2007, 10:42 PM

Let's say someone's going to run a torrent site, where only content is free content from affiliate programs, so 30sec-1min videos only, and no stollen or illegal content. The only one uploading torrents could be the admin (so NO STOLLEN CONTENT could appear on the site), and next to every torrent there should be a join link (a link to THEIR tour), so the content would be matching the affiliate program!

So, the idea is to distribute videos and promote programs off of a torrent site instead of a standard web. I suppose that's totally the same as any other way of distributing porn content, like tube sites or TGP's.

I've seen couple of totally legal porn tube sites. So, what differs is only the way of the distribution of the content.

Would affiliate programs allow this kind of promotion (with a guarantee that 100% of the content is legal)? I'm not familiar with US laws. Please do tell me your opinion.

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11-20-2007, 10:47 PM

I have to say that I'm personally not supporting piracy in any way!

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11-20-2007, 10:54 PM

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11-20-2007, 10:56 PM

another thing you can do is put a .lnk file in with the video torrent that goes straight to a ref code for that sponsor that says something like "CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD FULL LENGTH VIDEO!!"
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11-20-2007, 11:07 PM

who's is going to do the seeding?

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11-20-2007, 11:14 PM

Is it legal? Yes of coarse it is, why would anyone be pissed if it's legal content?
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11-20-2007, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Aussie Rebel

Is it legal? Yes of coarse it is, why would anyone be pissed if it's legal content?

I'm not familiar with laws in USA, because most of the affiliate programs are US based. What if a sponsor allow the promotion, would there be any legal problems for them?

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11-20-2007, 11:37 PM

Do you think surfers will come to your "torrent" offering 30 sec clips when they have the alternative, one click away, offering full porn movies?

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11-20-2007, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by don_chelle

I'm not familiar with laws in USA, because most of the affiliate programs are US based. What if a sponsor allow the promotion, would there be any legal problems for them?

I couldn't see a sponsor having a problem with it, I'm probably not the best person to be asking about this though.
Most sponsors will take ANY kind of traffic, they just don't make it common knowledge
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11-20-2007, 11:39 PM

I believe most p2p users that download torrents won't pay for content.
like you mentioned in a sense it's like promoting via tgp, the users have so much free content around...
also p2p users are usually savvy, tgp's and tube sites get SE traffic sometimes that can actually convert to something.
sometimes they are end up somehow at a tgp from clicking link from other sites, but torrents ? they are there for a reason.
but I would really like to hear some responses from sponsors.
why don't you just ask them on ICQ or email or something like that ?

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11-20-2007, 11:43 PM

Sounds a little like you are talking about a "video gallery" ???
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11-20-2007, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Zester

I believe most p2p users that download torrents won't pay for content.
like you mentioned in a sense it's like promoting via tgp, the users have so much free content around...
also p2p users are usually savvy, tgp's and tube sites get SE traffic sometimes that can actually convert to something.
sometimes they are end up somehow at a tgp from clicking link from other sites, but torrents ? they are there for a reason.
but I would really like to hear some responses from sponsors.
why don't you just ask them on ICQ or email or something like that ?

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11-20-2007, 11:59 PM

i'd like to hear your thoughts, so feel free to post here...

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11-21-2007, 12:11 AM

So someone who has paid Pirate Bay to join and been getting free full length movies is then going to go to a paysite and pay $30 a month recurring for a membership?

Don't think so.

Will he pay $1 for 4 movies of the same niche, style and type?

He might. Profit on this would be the problem, it could be profitable though.

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11-21-2007, 12:18 AM

Isn't this the premise of an MGP? I don't see anything wrong with it.
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11-21-2007, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by don_chelle

Let's say someone's going to run a torrent site, where only content is free content from affiliate programs, so 30sec-1min videos only, and no stollen or illegal content. The only one uploading torrents could be the admin (so NO STOLLEN CONTENT could appear on the site), and next to every torrent there should be a join link (a link to THEIR tour), so the content would be matching the affiliate program!

So, the idea is to distribute videos and promote programs off of a torrent site instead of a standard web. I suppose that's totally the same as any other way of distributing porn content, like tube sites or TGP's.

I've seen couple of totally legal porn tube sites. So, what differs is only the way of the distribution of the content.

Would affiliate programs allow this kind of promotion (with a guarantee that 100% of the content is legal)? I'm not familiar with US laws. Please do tell me your opinion.

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If you make a site, and use content you own or use content that sponsors provide for you to use for advertising. If no one else can upload to it, then i don't see any problem with that. If you own the content legally then you can do what you want with it. If you want to show 10 min clips and can make money from it, its your choice.

If you make a site with a bunch of 30 second clips.... you are new proud owner of a tgp site, but you can call it a torrent site since that term seems to be popular these days with surfers.

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11-21-2007, 12:58 AM

Torrent sites are big because of full length movies, not because they offer torrents.

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11-21-2007, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Zuss

Torrent sites are big because of full length movies, not because they offer torrents.

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11-21-2007, 01:05 AM

yeah, you'll get like 3 bookmarkers in 6 months if that
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11-21-2007, 01:09 AM

and you will have to seed all the torrents yourself 24/7 because no one else will do it for you

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11-21-2007, 01:15 AM

any thoughts about the legal matter of this?

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11-21-2007, 01:27 AM

Has no one thought of the consequences of telling pirates where your content is?

Might be a few of the "Internet is free" brigade might think your waving a red flag at them and they target you. Will sign ups will come from the wrong sector?

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11-21-2007, 01:35 AM

Maybe the bigger problem is whether the downloader would actually join a site when he gets full DVDs for free.

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11-21-2007, 01:51 AM

i have seen lots of clips with DRM redirecting with their affiliate code... also some quicktime files with links with affiliate codes encoded in them..

but anyways.. torrent and p2p traffic is the worst you will ever find.. it's nto even worth the time uploading them..
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11-21-2007, 01:52 AM

c'mon, folks, get real!

there are numerous porn torrent sites that already has bunch of full dvd rips and tons of 500MB movies available. most of the videos are watermarked with the url of the site.

why would one site offering teaser movies "tell pirates where the content is"? ever heard of MGP's? aren't they doing the same?

the main difference comparing to illegal torrent sites could be the knowledge of targeting the surfers...

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11-21-2007, 08:47 AM

Not sure about the actual torrent sites.

I was speaking with a sponsor once about a different business model based on something like RS with legal content.

Setup a download site, and charge surfers for premium download access. Freebies only get small chunks in RARs, and they have to wait to download the next chunk. Also make them hunt for free links, so affilitates could then post the links with referral codes.

Premium users can download the full clip with no restrictions, and access the entire site content.

It might be also way for sites(MPGs) that provide full clips to build bookmarkers faster also. The surfer has to come back EVERYDAY to get the next chunk, so they can unRAR the whole clip.

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11-21-2007, 09:52 AM

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who's is going to do the seeding?

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11-21-2007, 09:55 AM

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Will he pay $1 for 4 movies of the same niche, style and type?

He might. Profit on this would be the problem, it could be profitable though.

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11-21-2007, 10:22 AM

I see a few issues...

1.) torrent sites in general are always being looked at as being under handed.

2.) Those who use real torrent sites can download full cds and dvds of content.

3.) Torrent sites allow for users to submit a torrent... If you start excepting torrents from others then you are no longer running a legal service unless you are in Canada.
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4.) What is going to be the reason for your surfers to keep coming back?

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11-21-2007, 10:50 AM

what would be the incentive for a surfer to use a torrent for a 30 second clip when he can get the same 30 second clip streaming on a MGP somewhere without having to download the torrent, load it into a torrent program and wait for it to download? Although there are other legit uses for torrents and they can offer various benefits for legal enterprise, they don't have the convenience factor that would make them viable for promo clips IMHO.

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11-21-2007, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

what would be the incentive for a surfer to use a torrent for a 30 second clip when he can get the same 30 second clip streaming on a MGP somewhere without having to download the torrent, load it into a torrent program and wait for it to download? Although there are other legit uses for torrents and they can offer various benefits for legal enterprise, they don't have the convenience factor that would make them viable for promo clips IMHO.

Exactly. I'm thinking maybe the proper product to sell is not the adult site subscription but something else--like dating, pheromones, or any other product or service they can't download. However, if he goes that route the incentive for the content owners disappear. It's a balancing act between two seemingly conflicting interests.

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11-21-2007, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

what would be the incentive for a surfer to use a torrent for a 30 second clip when he can get the same 30 second clip streaming on a MGP somewhere without having to download the torrent, load it into a torrent program and wait for it to download? Although there are other legit uses for torrents and they can offer various benefits for legal enterprise, they don't have the convenience factor that would make them viable for promo clips IMHO.

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11-21-2007, 12:01 PM

stupid idea, you might as well make a tube site instead...

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11-21-2007, 01:24 PM

Here a question to ponder:

Has the proportion of people willing to pay for porn EVER changed? Doesn't anyone else notice the correlation between overall signups and the growth of the internet user base?

My point is - whether it's TGPs, MGPs, Torrents, Tube sites, P2P, etc... the people who are willing to put in the effort to get free porn will get it. They've always got it, and they always will. A certain proportion of people will pay, always have and always will.

The sky-is-falling crowd exists in every industry - and in every society since the dawn of man. Every generation of people has had doomsayers, every generation of this business has had doomsayers.

And yet here we are - this society, and this industry persists regardless of the volume and abundance of the chicken little's....

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11-21-2007, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Dollarmansteve

Here a question to ponder:

Has the proportion of people willing to pay for porn EVER changed? Doesn't anyone else notice the correlation between overall signups and the growth of the internet user base?

My point is - whether it's TGPs, MGPs, Torrents, Tube sites, P2P, etc... the people who are willing to put in the effort to get free porn will get it. They've always got it, and they always will. A certain proportion of people will pay, always have and always will.

The sky-is-falling crowd exists in every industry - and in every society since the dawn of man. Every generation of people has had doomsayers, every generation of this business has had doomsayers.

And yet here we are - this society, and this industry persists regardless of the volume and abundance of the chicken little's....

The flaw in your theory is that some people who "WOULD" pay now "DON'T HAVE TO".
Sure people who were willing to pay for porn before still might pay in the future, but it doesn't mean they will now that what they can get for free basically = what they would be paying for.

Thats like saying restaurants that give small samples.... Some people would still buy even though they could get small samples. These same " buyers" still exist but now when they go up to t he counter to order and someone is handing out full meals for free, why order?

Also you fail to acknowledge the different generations getting online and that the new customer base is changing. In your theory the guy who paid in the past will still pay. Well the new generation of customers ( 18 - 22) are growing up on torrents sites. They are use to not paying for something they can easily find for free.

Time are seriosuly changing for membership sites that offer pictures and videos. Doom and glooom, hell no porn will be luctrative till the end of the time. But old school tgps, and traditional membership sites (pics and vids) will be dead in a couple years. You can count on it. Unless you offer live cam and some serious interaction with your members you dont have a chance.

Two ways you will fail. If you buy off the shelf content put a site together and that is what you are trying to get people to signup to, that is the same shit they can get for free and same content that is all over the net. If you produce your own exclusive content you will hold on for longer, only because it will take a while for that content to get picked up and shared all over. But you still lose because you have really high content cost. Either way the whole method is like a dinosaur and torrent sites are the comet that is about to crash into the earth.

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11-21-2007, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by will76

The flaw in your theory is that some people who "WOULD" pay now "DON'T HAVE TO".
Sure people who were willing to pay for porn before still might pay in the future, but it doesn't mean they will now that what they can get for free basically = what they would be paying for.

Thats like saying restaurants that give small samples.... Some people would still buy even though they could get small samples. These same " buyers" still exist but now when they go up to t he counter to order and someone is handing out full meals for free, why order?

Also you fail to acknowledge the different generations getting online and that the new customer base is changing. In your theory the guy who paid in the past will still pay. Well the new generation of customers ( 18 - 22) are growing up on torrents sites. They are use to not paying for something they can easily find for free.

Time are seriosuly changing for membership sites that offer pictures and videos. Doom and glooom, hell no porn will be luctrative till the end of the time. But old school tgps, and traditional membership sites (pics and vids) will be dead in a couple years. You can count on it. Unless you offer live cam and some serious interaction with your members you dont have a chance.

Two ways you will fail. If you buy off the shelf content put a site together and that is what you are trying to get people to signup to, that is the same shit they can get for free and same content that is all over the net. If you produce your own exclusive content you will hold on for longer, only because it will take a while for that content to get picked up and shared all over. But you still lose because you have really high content cost. Either way the whole method is like a dinosaur and torrent sites are the comet that is about to crash into the earth.

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11-21-2007, 08:19 PM

Even if the idea were to be successfully implemented and managed- while you might save on bandwidth, it would be at the cost of a great risk. That risk is presented in two forms:

A) If you are giving away large enough videos to need to be seeded in a torrent, you are giving away more free porn than is productive for making money. The members simply will blow their wad many times long before they think about signing up.
-- Perhaps, however, you would like to be poor and a savior to the surfers. With that goal in mind you could purchase tons of content and share it with the masses...

B) If you are attempting to attract the torrent crowd, you are attracting the type of people that want to steal content. There are very few exceptions to this, the people that are looking for legal torrents- not many. So the risk here is that the only signups you'll get will be people who want to rip the site and upload the content to "real" torrent sites.

I doubt the idea would be successful. If I were a program owner I would not allow it for reason B.

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11-21-2007, 08:44 PM

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Sorry i purposuly added the last part " Either way the whole method is like a dinosaur and torrent sites are the comet that is about to crash into the earth. " for max doom and gloom affect.

Tony, you guys offer live cam shows rightand you interact with your members ? If you do that I think you will be fine. sure sales might take a hit but people can't steal webcams and personal attention.

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11-22-2007, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by will76

The flaw in your theory is that some people who "WOULD" pay now "DON'T HAVE TO".
Sure people who were willing to pay for porn before still might pay in the future, but it doesn't mean they will now that what they can get for free basically = what they would be paying for.

Thats like saying restaurants that give small samples.... Some people would still buy even though they could get small samples. These same " buyers" still exist but now when they go up to t he counter to order and someone is handing out full meals for free, why order?

Also you fail to acknowledge the different generations getting online and that the new customer base is changing. In your theory the guy who paid in the past will still pay. Well the new generation of customers ( 18 - 22) are growing up on torrents sites. They are use to not paying for something they can easily find for free.

Time are seriosuly changing for membership sites that offer pictures and videos. Doom and glooom, hell no porn will be luctrative till the end of the time. But old school tgps, and traditional membership sites (pics and vids) will be dead in a couple years. You can count on it. Unless you offer live cam and some serious interaction with your members you dont have a chance.

Two ways you will fail. If you buy off the shelf content put a site together and that is what you are trying to get people to signup to, that is the same shit they can get for free and same content that is all over the net. If you produce your own exclusive content you will hold on for longer, only because it will take a while for that content to get picked up and shared all over. But you still lose because you have really high content cost. Either way the whole method is like a dinosaur and torrent sites are the comet that is about to crash into the earth.

People will always pay for value - our entire existence is based on this premise. If you provide value to a customer, they will pay, whether it's porn or popcorn. What is definitely changing is where the value is - back in '95 it was pictures... then video... then the interactive content (dating / cams) - so that part is true.

Every business needs a business model - otherwise it's just a hobby. If there's no value in video, then maybe providing all the free video in the world(legally of course, not stolen content) and making money elsewhere is a viable model. Why should the industry be protectionist of a segment that no longer makes money?

I'm just thinking out loud here - but things happen that are out of the control of the realtively small number of people inside this business, those who don't adapt will die.

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11-22-2007, 06:44 AM

If I was looking for a specific type of content or a brand, I'm not going to bother to look for small peaces of it here and there, I'll simply buy the membership. Check any torrent site and try to look for content you've produced and own. Guess what: you are going to find out there are only small chunks of it. Even on porn torrent sites! If available, I bet they are too slow to download. Porn industry is still wining. But, in the long run, the old model of promoting porn is going to die...

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11-22-2007, 06:55 AM

Dude, send an email to your sponsors and explain the whole thing in detail to them. Get approval from the sponsor directly, dont go by people's 'opinions' on this board. Not saying they dont know what they're talking about, but a GFY troll cant tell you what your sponsors think about you using their content for this kind of site.
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11-22-2007, 07:11 AM

And dont post your ideas on here. Someone might take it and run.
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11-22-2007, 07:42 AM

Good idea if your objective is to go after the other torrent sites' SE traffic.

A "Fake" torrent site like the one you described will never be able to compete with "real" torrent sites for expert torrent users.

A "Fake" torrent site that shows up in the SERPS will however be able to attract a decent number of n00b torrent users (the kind that heard about torrents but doesn't really know what it is).

I've said this before: One of the ways to go after torrent sites is to stop their supply of new users, the ones that are coming from SEs. Just imagine if the first 50 SERPS for torrent related terms were filled with links to fake torrent sites (maybe even filled with tons of popups or 'corrupt' 600 meg files of garbage)....
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11-22-2007, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by u-Bob

Good idea if your objective is to go after the other torrent sites' SE traffic.

A "Fake" torrent site like the one you described will never be able to compete with "real" torrent sites for expert torrent users.

A "Fake" torrent site that shows up in the SERPS will however be able to attract a decent number of n00b torrent users (the kind that heard about torrents but doesn't really know what it is).

I've said this before: One of the ways to go after torrent sites is to stop their supply of new users, the ones that are coming from SEs. Just imagine if the first 50 SERPS for torrent related terms were filled with links to fake torrent sites (maybe even filled with tons of popups or 'corrupt' 600 meg files of garbage)....

This is precisely what happened on the 'old' P2P platforms (limewire, etc) - when you searched for porn all you got was sponsor content, corrupt files, etc, etc.. so it became an inefficient way to get free porn.

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u-Bob

there's no $$$ in porn

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#45

11-22-2007, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Dollarmansteve

This is precisely what happened on the 'old' P2P platforms (limewire, etc) - when you searched for porn all you got was sponsor content, corrupt files, etc, etc.. so it became an inefficient way to get free porn.

exactly! and it's one of the ways to fight torrent sites.
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