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  • xxweekxx
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    • Oct 2002
    • 6780
    #1

    credit card limit increase.. lying about income??

    what if ur looking for new credit line..... and ur income is $200,000

    but you put income as $500,000 so you get a high ass limit..

    is there any real risk to this???

    do they report that to IRS or something?
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    • xxweekxx
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      • Oct 2002
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      bump again
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        • Masterchief
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          • Jun 2006
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          #3
          that's blatant fraud dumbass

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            • SmokeyTheBear
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              • Jun 2004
              • 28609
              #4
              No they dont report it to the irs.

              and most likely they wouldnt mind anyways ( visa i mean )

              the harder it is for you to pay your bill in a timely fashion , the more money they make.
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                • Masterchief
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                  • Jun 2006
                  • 530
                  #5
                  and trust me, if you're putting that as your income, they're going to want to see a tax return to verify your income

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                    • evildick
                      #6
                      Originally posted by xxweekxx
                      bump again
                      Pretty sure they verify things like that. Otherwise any Joe Blow could simply say they have a high income to get a shit load of credit. Any credit application I have ever seen also asks for a bank account number.

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                        • L-Pink
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                          • Mar 2005
                          • 39151
                          #7
                          I like how you added a zero to the real numbers

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                            • jimmy-3-way
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                              • Jun 2001
                              • 3861
                              #8
                              Originally posted by xxweekxx
                              what if ur looking for new credit line..... and ur income is $200,000

                              but you put income as $500,000 so you get a high ass limit..

                              is there any real risk to this???

                              do they report that to IRS or something?
                              Banks don't really give a shit what your income is. They look at credit history and nothing else.
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                                • jimmy-3-way
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                                  • Jun 2001
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                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by L-Pink
                                  I like how you added a zero to the real numbers
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                                    • xxweekxx
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                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 6780
                                      #10
                                      nah they didnt verify for my friend...

                                      He put income as X3 what it is, and they gave him higher limit..

                                      He wants higher limit cuz its good for credit due to cushion..

                                      Now he got a $50k limit on AMEX
                                      Last edited by xxweekxx; 11-18-2007, 01:52 PM.
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                                        • xxweekxx
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                                          • Oct 2002
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                                          #11
                                          and he can make the payments.. besides he doesnt use credit card much..
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                                            • bausch
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                                              • Jul 2006
                                              • 3017
                                              #12
                                              Don't ever do it with Amex. They are notorious doing manual account reviews where they make you send in your records, even after you've been approved and will terminate your credit lines for lying, even if you're payment record is flawless.

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                                                • xxweekxx
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                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 6780
                                                  #13
                                                  but legally, will u get arrested for this?
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                                                    • L-Pink
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                                                      • Mar 2005
                                                      • 39151
                                                      #14
                                                      you are a financial guru

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                                                        • V_RocKs
                                                          Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                          • 32448
                                                          #15
                                                          The info you put there is only used to see if you are stupid enough to say you don't make their minimum requirement.

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                                                            • eroswebmaster
                                                              March 1st, 2003
                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                              • 20295
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Masterchief
                                                              that's blatant fraud dumbass
                                                              I have an old friend in prison for this very thing right now.

                                                              He created all the paper trail he needed to prove he made X amount each year. Falsifying tax returns etc.

                                                              Ended up getting like $40K in shit.

                                                              What gets me is the guy who raised him, his stepfather was a retired deputy sherrif. The whole family are pious religious types. In fact the company he was working for, where he could falsify all the necessary documents was some kind of Christian company that supplied Christian products.

                                                              When the credit card agencies came calling trying to collect, his stepdad and mom defended him, acting as if he did nothing wrong.

                                                              It was a real strange thing to watch these people go through.
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                                                                • xxweekxx
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                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  eros big diff between false tax returns,etc..

                                                                  as opposed to just putting more money in income to get higher limit for credit card..
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                                                                    • L-Pink
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                                                                      • Mar 2005
                                                                      • 39151
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by xxweekxx
                                                                      eros big diff between false tax returns,etc..

                                                                      as opposed to just putting more money in income to get higher limit for credit card..
                                                                      Yea, you are a fibber instead of a liar?

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                                                                        • Sosa
                                                                          In Tushy Land
                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 40149
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Fucking CC companies lol. None of them would up my limits at all when I needed. Good credit, and I pay all my cards off every month in full. Maybe because they don't make the extra $ off of my accounts.

                                                                          Finally got a Amex card with no limit though, so that problem is now solved hopefully.

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                                                                            • PowerCum
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                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                              • 1328
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I don't know how is it in USA.
                                                                              At least here in spain my bank has never had problems with raising my credit card limits. One of my credit cards has 10k euro daily limit and 300k euro monthly limit. I use it to pay some big bills, and it has never been a problem. By default all credit cards here come with 600 euro daily limit, 3k weekly and 6k monthly unless you request it the other way, but it's solved by just calling your bank and asking them to raise the limits.
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                                                                                • WiredGuy
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                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 34515
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  When applying for a credit card they can investigate your income sources and for something that large, they likely will. Visa/MC aren't in the habit of extending large credit limits without verifying it.
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                                                                                    • KingK7
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                                                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                                                      • 6372
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by PowerCum
                                                                                      I don't know how is it in USA.
                                                                                      At least here in spain my bank has never had problems with raising my credit card limits. One of my credit cards has 10k euro daily limit and 300k euro monthly limit. I use it to pay some big bills, and it has never been a problem. By default all credit cards here come with 600 euro daily limit, 3k weekly and 6k monthly unless you request it the other way, but it's solved by just calling your bank and asking them to raise the limits.
                                                                                      Which bank are you with? Where in Spain are you?
                                                                                      We are thinking of changing banks.

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                                                                                        • JFK
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                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                          • 67369
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Masterchief
                                                                                          and trust me, if you're putting that as your income, they're going to want to see a tax return to verify your income
                                                                                          yup and gthey do a credit check and will go by what ever you have stated before

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                                                                                            • Dusen
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                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                              • 2251
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Why would you want a huge limit? Potential fraud, works against further credit requests.

                                                                                              Banks have a tough time giving you a good rate on a mortgage when you have empty credit sitting there for 1/4 of the mortgage value.
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                                                                                                • sandman!
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                                                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                                                  • 15427
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sosa
                                                                                                  Fucking CC companies lol. None of them would up my limits at all when I needed. Good credit, and I pay all my cards off every month in full. Maybe because they don't make the extra $ off of my accounts.

                                                                                                  Finally got a Amex card with no limit though, so that problem is now solved hopefully.

                                                                                                  if you believe that amx is no limit i got a bridge i would like to sell you
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                                                                                                    • JFK
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                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                      • 67369
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by sandman!
                                                                                                      if you believe that amx is no limit i got a bridge i would like to sell you
                                                                                                      right on, you have to build up your credit line, month by month

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                                                                                                        • sandman!
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                                                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                                                          • 15427
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                                          right on, you have to build up your credit line, month by month

                                                                                                          they used to require more info on 10k charges by me was a pain in the ass i prefer amx cards with fixed limits.
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                                                                                                            • Peaches
                                                                                                              Old broad
                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                              • 13933
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              I don't have outrageous limits (probably $100K total with all my cards) but I have never had a credit card, mortgage company or car purchase/lease company check my income or my bank balance. Hell, I can move money from bank to bank to bank and make it look like I make a few million a year (which I do not ;) ).

                                                                                                              When I was in the corporate world I told all my employees that I would "agree" to whatever income they wanted to say they made. I didn't have to make the payment - they did. Same now - if you want more credit and lie about your income, you're just going to get into a situation where you can't pay your bills.

                                                                                                              I don't know about credit cards, but most mortgage and car loan applications you sign where everything you've stated is true. I suppose if worse came to worse they could come after you, but with the subprime banking industry in the shape it's in, I doubt they have the time/resources to check all the late pays information.

                                                                                                              Right now it seems like every other month my limits are being raised and I'm seriously thinking of taking advantage of some of the low interest credit card rates even though I hate carrying credit card debt. I'm just worried the rates are going to start going UP and I won't be able to lock in $X in those rates again. Right now I can borrow at 1% and put it into a 4+% MM. Then if the MM rates hits bottom, I can take the money and pay off the CC.

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                                                                                                                • Ron Bennett
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                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                  • 1653
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  In reality, there's virtually no risk ... other than getting carried away buying more stuff than one can afford on the extra credit.

                                                                                                                  Most credit card companies (talking about personal credit cards, not business) basically evaluate income between $0 and say $150K ... above that it make little to no difference in the amount of credit that's extended.

                                                                                                                  Credit card companies typically consider far more than just income... on an aside, under $15K or so usually equals automatic denial or at best the shittest card one can imagine with crazy application fees, insane monthly fees, weird surcharges, etc.

                                                                                                                  The items below are the ones that really make a difference whether one gets a higher limit, or possibly even a lower one...

                                                                                                                  * Credit scores from one or more of the credit bureaus; each use a different method / scale so the scores will often vary somewhat from each other.

                                                                                                                  * Amount of unused / used credit (debt ratio).

                                                                                                                  * Highest balance history on each card - especially important in instances when one is asking for more credit.

                                                                                                                  * Payment history - being occasionally late is usually no biggie to one's credit score, but other creditors likely won't consider credit increase requests for about 6 months from date of the last late payment.

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                                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
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                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                                                      yup and gthey do a credit check and will go by what ever you have stated before
                                                                                                                      Exactly.

                                                                                                                      Contrary to popular belief, they use what you have claimed previously in some credit DB they all have access to. When you apply for bank loans, car loans, other credit cards. You have listed what you make for years. All that is in a secondary DB.

                                                                                                                      When making credit decisions, they use a combination of your current app, that DB, and your credit score and sometimes assets (i.e. real estate).

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                                                                                                                        • GrouchyAdmin
                                                                                                                          Now choke yourself!
                                                                                                                          • Apr 2006
                                                                                                                          • 12085
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Get a shitty card, use it, pay it off, they'll keep upping your damn limit even if you don't want it.

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                                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by GrouchyAdmin
                                                                                                                              Get a shitty card, use it, pay it off, they'll keep upping your damn limit even if you don't want it.
                                                                                                                              True.

                                                                                                                              However people want more than $300-500 increases twice a year.
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                                                                                                                                • ungratefulninja
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                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                                                                                  • 682
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by jimmy-3-way
                                                                                                                                  Banks don't really give a shit what your income is. They look at credit history and nothing else.
                                                                                                                                  I worked at a credit card company and this is mostly true.

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                                                                                                                                    • GrouchyAdmin
                                                                                                                                      Now choke yourself!
                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2006
                                                                                                                                      • 12085
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                      True.

                                                                                                                                      However people want more than $300-500 increases twice a year.
                                                                                                                                      My bank gave me a $10,000 increase I didn't even want in less than two years for just keeping my payments up until I paid off a card.

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                                                                                                                                        • Barefootsies
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                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 42635
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by GrouchyAdmin
                                                                                                                                          My bank gave me a $10,000 increase I didn't even want in less than two years for just keeping my payments up until I paid off a card.
                                                                                                                                          Impressive.


                                                                                                                                          Most impressive.
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                                                                                                                                            • DaddyHalbucks
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                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Sounds like bank fraud, obtaining a loan under false pretenses.

                                                                                                                                              The FBI is going crazy prosecuting mortgage frauds right now where people lied about their income, etc..

                                                                                                                                              Be careful!
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                                                                                                                                                • Barefootsies
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                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                  • 42635
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks
                                                                                                                                                  Sounds like bank fraud, obtaining a loan under false pretenses.

                                                                                                                                                  The FBI is going crazy prosecuting mortgage frauds right now where people lied about their income, etc..

                                                                                                                                                  Be careful!
                                                                                                                                                  That's a cover.

                                                                                                                                                  Mortgage companies issues a ton of no-doc loans which default.

                                                                                                                                                  Mortgage companies get investigated for shady lending practices.

                                                                                                                                                  Mortgage companies pass the buck to the consumer saying they lied.

                                                                                                                                                  Corporate America at it's finest.

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                                                                                                                                                    • GrouchyAdmin
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                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2006
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                      Impressive.

                                                                                                                                                      Most impressive.
                                                                                                                                                      The only impressive part is this was post-dotcom.

                                                                                                                                                      Bastards still hate that I closed it. If I can't Cash 'n' Carry, I don't really need it. Not going to fall into the debit-beyond-ability bullshit so they can jack my rates up to 30% and take everything I don't actually own.

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                                                                                                                                                        • lazycash
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                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 15214
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by xxweekxx
                                                                                                                                                          and he can make the payments.. besides he doesnt use credit card much..
                                                                                                                                                          If he doesn't use his card much, then why would he care about needing a high limit, nice contradiction.
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                                                                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
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                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by lazycash
                                                                                                                                                              why would he care about needing a high limit
                                                                                                                                                              to increase the size of his e-penis
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                                                                                                                                                                • shahab6
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                                  • 1614
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Why do that? You're not going to spend that much anyway, and if you do spend that much, and don't pay them back, they can arrest you for fraud

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                                                                                                                                                                    • 96ukssob
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 12991
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Most will check against your previous years tax returns.

                                                                                                                                                                      I just went through this with buying a car. Im making 4x what i made last year but they based my limits from what ive made in the last few years. this was with 2 different banks, both that offer credit cards as well.

                                                                                                                                                                      I think they use that line to see if you are a liar or not.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • flashfire
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 13098
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          lol you wont get arrested...they just might not buy it

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                                                                                                                                                                            • After Shock Media
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 35299
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              People have been doing this forever.

                                                                                                                                                                              All you need is an "employer" cough cough (friend with a new land line) who will answer the phone professionally for when they call to verify rough income. Your friend or employer just says yes he is our district manager or whatever and he gets 200k a year plus bonuses.

                                                                                                                                                                              Personally never has a need to lie to get credit but I have known some who needed to in order to take a major risk in order to get a business started.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • minusonebit
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 7391
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by xxweekxx
                                                                                                                                                                                  but legally, will u get arrested for this?
                                                                                                                                                                                  No. And they don't care what you say your income is for credit cards. They only check your credit history. Mortgages and actual loans are a bit different.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • minusonebit
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 7391
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                                                                                                                                      People have been doing this forever.

                                                                                                                                                                                      All you need is an "employer" cough cough (friend with a new land line) who will answer the phone professionally for when they call to verify rough income. Your friend or employer just says yes he is our district manager or whatever and he gets 200k a year plus bonuses.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Personally never has a need to lie to get credit but I have known some who needed to in order to take a major risk in order to get a business started.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Phone number needs to be in a business name and bill to a business address. If they care enough to call, they will check the address type and do a reverse lookup on the number as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • 96ukssob
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 12991
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          if your looking for a bigger credit line, your best bet may to write them a written request with proof of income and reason why.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • minusonebit
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by bossku69
                                                                                                                                                                                              Most will check against your previous years tax returns.
                                                                                                                                                                                              They cannot just go to the IRS and get your tax returns. They may ask you to send copies of them in, and then, well, every time they do that... I make sure they see what I want them to... :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • After Shock Media
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 35299
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by minusonebit
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Phone number needs to be in a business name and bill to a business address. If they care enough to call, they will check the address type and do a reverse lookup on the number as well.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Address means next to none.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  And having the line be a business line is ok, but rarely needed. Just get an 800 or 877 number and they do not look past it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • teg0
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      They'll bump it up. They want you in you debt.

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