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  • fris
    I have to go potty
    • Aug 2002
    • 55906

    #1

    someone impersonating steve lightspeed on icq

    some guy msged me on icq saying he was steve lightspeed

    stephen86 ‎(11:16 AM):
    Hi Chris do you run any tgp's or blogs
    chris ‎(11:16 AM):
    nope
    stephen86 ‎(11:16 AM):
    Seriously? you almost have 29k posts on gfy and you dont run any sites?
    chris ‎(11:17 AM):
    i run sites, just not any tgps or blogs
    stephen86 ‎(11:18 AM):
    oh what sites if you don't mind me asking
    chris ‎(11:19 AM):
    who is this?
    stephen86 ‎(11:19 AM):
    steve light speed
    chris ‎(11:19 AM):
    this a new icq? i have you as an old icq
    stephen86 ‎(11:19 AM):
    yup
    stephen86 ‎(11:28 AM):
    so what sites do u run if its alright I ask?
    chris ‎(11:30 AM):
    i dont usally disclose my sites to people i dont know
    stephen86 ‎(11:30 AM):
    how come?
    chris ‎(11:30 AM):
    because, is their anything you need i need to get some work done
    stephen86 ‎(11:31 AM):
    because I might be interested in doing some link trades with you.
    chris ‎(11:32 AM):
    i dont trade with people i dont know, and i am not accepting any new ones
    stephen86 ‎(11:33 AM):
    your gay arent you? it's ok i understand

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  • Iron Fist
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Dec 2006
    • 23400

    #2
    I'm Hugh Hefner.... I'm not telling you what the name of the company i'm running either.
    i like waffles

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    • Oracle Porn
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      • Oct 2002
      • 24433

      #3
      you have icq? what is it? :P


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      • polish_aristocrat
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jul 2002
        • 40377

        #4
        Originally posted by Fris
        stephen86 ‎(11:16 AM):
        Hi Chris do you run any tgp's or blogs
        chris ‎(11:16 AM):
        nope
        stephen86 ‎(11:16 AM):
        Seriously? you almost have 29k posts on gfy and you dont run any sites?
        I don't use ICQ anymore.

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        • BV
          wtf
          • Sep 2001
          • 10914

          #5
          that's not steve's icq nick

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          • ServerGenius
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2002
            • 9377

            #6
            That's not Steve, He contacted me as well and asked for a job.
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            • Chef86
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              • Sep 2006
              • 2930

              #7
              Why don't you post the whole icq conversation of this person rather then cutting/pasting parts of it that you want people to see?

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              • Chef86
                Confirmed User
                • Sep 2006
                • 2930

                #8
                I believe you missed a lot of things such as ip trace route to find out where someone lives and how you don't do trades with people you don't know and a few other things in there as well. I love people that try and ruin other people's reputation just over an icq conversation. I believe you also said I was gay somewhere in there as well.

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                • ~Ray
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                  • Jun 2003
                  • 18361

                  #9
                  Originally posted by northernfantasy
                  Why don't you post the whole icq conversation of this person rather then cutting/pasting parts of it that you want people to see?
                  how do YOU know that wasn't the whole conversation?

                  Originally posted by northernfantasy
                  I believe you also said I was gay somewhere in there as well.
                  so you were impersonating steve lightspeed to do business with others?
                  Last edited by ~Ray; 11-18-2007, 08:23 AM.
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                  • Chef86
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                    • Sep 2006
                    • 2930

                    #10
                    I wasn't doing business as there was no business discussed in the conversation. If you read a part of the icq conversation which Fris pointed out to everyone publically it was about link trades ( not involving money ). It's obvious I didn't get much out of it as he decided to be an ass and post only a part of the conversation if you look at the time stamps he posted there's one section where it's almost 9 minutes between responses. Now I know that seems like a normal conversation however when I'm on icq I usually respond right away as I'm a fast typer so its also obvious that he only showed parts of the conversation which he wanted the public to see. Last but not least you don't seem to be dumb it's obvious you know that I was the one in that icq conversation. Some people are smart and can figure things out.

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                    • Chef86
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                      • Sep 2006
                      • 2930

                      #11
                      He also knew that I wasn't Steve Light speed as he didn't explain to me anything that he wanted me to look at his account. He said he'd explain everything in the email which clearly states he knew I wasn't Steve Lightspeed. Some people in this biz obviously don't have a sense of humour and just love trying to ruin good people.

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                      • ServerGenius
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                        • Feb 2002
                        • 9377

                        #12
                        Originally posted by northernfantasy
                        He also knew that I wasn't Steve Light speed as he didn't explain to me anything that he wanted me to look at his account. He said he'd explain everything in the email which clearly states he knew I wasn't Steve Lightspeed. Some people in this biz obviously don't have a sense of humour and just love trying to ruin good people.
                        You tried to give yourself out as Steve Lightspeed, He wasn't stupid enough
                        to fall for it......It shows what a person you are.....someone to avoid as
                        the plague.....good luck finding a job.......I wouldn't hold my breathing
                        till you find someone who'll employ you........
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                        • ServerGenius
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                          • Feb 2002
                          • 9377

                          #13
                          Originally posted by northernfantasy
                          He also knew that I wasn't Steve Light speed as he didn't explain to me anything that he wanted me to look at his account. He said he'd explain everything in the email which clearly states he knew I wasn't Steve Lightspeed. Some people in this biz obviously don't have a sense of humour and just love trying to ruin good people.
                          Don't mix up sense of humour with trying to cheat......you make yourself
                          more of an idiot with every new post you post......it's starting to become
                          funny.......please continue
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                          • fris
                            I have to go potty
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 55906

                            #14
                            i have been icq'd by many others saying hes been doing the same shit.
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                            • Chef86
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                              • Sep 2006
                              • 2930

                              #15
                              I contacted at least 10+ companies asking if they were hiring support staff or board admins and no one seems to be hiring except for designers and programmers and I'm neither so it really doesn't bother me anymore to be honest with you. I believe one of those companies I contacted was yours and you denied my request, then you showed me this thread on icq saying forget about asking me for a job... Why would I ask you a second time after being denied the first?

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                              • Chef86
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                                • Sep 2006
                                • 2930

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Fris
                                i have been icq'd by many others saying hes been doing the same shit.
                                I'm sure you have. Your the first person I actually had problems with on this board since Jon Clark.

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                                • fris
                                  I have to go potty
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 55906

                                  #17
                                  www.punish.tv

                                  lol, like anyone would trade with this piece of shit site
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                                  • ServerGenius
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                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 9377

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                    I contacted at least 10+ companies asking if they were hiring support staff or board admins and no one seems to be hiring except for designers and programmers and I'm neither so it really doesn't bother me anymore to be honest with you. I believe one of those companies I contacted was yours and you denied my request, then you showed me this thread on icq saying forget about asking me for a job... Why would I ask you a second time after being denied the first?
                                    I didn't deny you at first which I should have.....I told you to hit me up in
                                    a month to see if I could use you.....idiot
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                                    • Chef86
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Sep 2006
                                      • 2930

                                      #19
                                      That's pretty much the same thing just in a nice way.

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                                      • fris
                                        I have to go potty
                                        • Aug 2002
                                        • 55906

                                        #20
                                        oh for anyone that wants the whole icq conversation i have nothing to hide

                                        stephen86 ‎(11:16 AM):
                                        Hi Chris do you run any tgp's or blogs
                                        chris ‎(11:16 AM):
                                        nope
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:16 AM):
                                        Seriously? you almost have 29k posts on gfy and you dont run any sites?
                                        chris ‎(11:17 AM):
                                        i run sites, just not any tgps or blogs
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:18 AM):
                                        oh what sites if you don't mind me asking
                                        chris ‎(11:19 AM):
                                        who is this?
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:19 AM):
                                        steve light speed
                                        chris ‎(11:19 AM):
                                        this a new icq? i have you as an old icq
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:19 AM):
                                        yup


                                        just want to verify it was really him

                                        chris ‎(11:20 AM):
                                        mind if i email you at your lightspeed email?
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:20 AM):
                                        what would you like to send me?
                                        chris ‎(11:21 AM):
                                        want you to check my account on lightspeedcash
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:21 AM):
                                        how come? what seems to be the matter?
                                        chris ‎(11:21 AM):
                                        i will explain it in email, sending now, let me know when you get it
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:21 AM):
                                        haha sorry about that I was only kidding im not steve light speed
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:22 AM):
                                        wish i was though i'd be able to get laid a lot more often and live in a better house
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:28 AM):
                                        so what sites do u run if its alright I ask?
                                        chris ‎(11:30 AM):
                                        i dont usally disclose my sites to people i dont know
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:30 AM):
                                        how come?
                                        chris ‎(11:30 AM):
                                        because, is their anything you need i need to get some work done
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:31 AM):
                                        because I might be interested in doing some link trades with you.
                                        chris ‎(11:32 AM):
                                        i dont trade with people i dont know, and i am not accepting any new ones

                                        lame joke

                                        stephen86 ‎(11:33 AM):
                                        your gay arent you? it's ok i understand

                                        gave a lame reply

                                        chris ‎(11:34 AM):
                                        you are the one living in north bay, one to talk, anyways, welcome to my block list, not very professional impersonating steve lightspeed
                                        stephen86 ‎(11:34 AM):
                                        wait

                                        cry baby

                                        stephen86 ‎(11:35 AM):
                                        a) what makes you think I live in North Bay b) why are you being an idiot?
                                        chris ‎(11:35 AM):
                                        your ip address traceroute

                                        since when does a traceroute become hacking?

                                        stephen86 ‎(11:35 AM):
                                        wouldn't that be called hacking? plus it says it in my profile on icq no?
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                                        • Chef86
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                                          • Sep 2006
                                          • 2930

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Fris
                                          www.punish.tv

                                          lol, like anyone would trade with this piece of shit site
                                          Let's see how good your sites are... Oh wait you don't show people your sites that you don't know. So they could all be a piece of shit really. I guess you never really bothered looking at when the first post of that blog as made to see how new it was? Ah well.

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                                          • Chef86
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                                            • Sep 2006
                                            • 2930

                                            #22
                                            I did say wait near the end but I don't remember calling you a cry baby at all in fact in my history it doesn't show that anywhere?

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                                            • Oracle Porn
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                                              • 24433

                                              #23
                                              lol ya geo ip is hacking


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                                              • fris
                                                I have to go potty
                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 55906

                                                #24
                                                too funny, well i got my sunday laugh
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                                                • Chef86
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                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                  • 2930

                                                  #25
                                                  This is childish... Just someone trying to ruin someone's rep and create some drama to get sig views... This is lovely... I wouldn't be surprised if this makes it to page 2...

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                                                  • ServerGenius
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                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                    • 9377

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                    That's pretty much the same thing just in a nice way.

                                                    lol great mentality you got......I foresee a great future for you......at walmart
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                                                    • Chef86
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                                                      • Sep 2006
                                                      • 2930

                                                      #27
                                                      Thank you

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                                                      • fris
                                                        I have to go potty
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 55906

                                                        #28
                                                        you have no rep to ruin, anyways sending this link to the real steve.
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                                                        • Chef86
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                                                          • Sep 2006
                                                          • 2930

                                                          #29
                                                          You do that... If people really did icq you about me impersonating him I'm sure he already knows by now :P

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                                                          • RawAlex
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                            • 9465

                                                            #30
                                                            More assholes on the loose.

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                                                            • Profits of Doom
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                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                              • 4978

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                              Let's see how good your sites are... Oh wait you don't show people your sites that you don't know. So they could all be a piece of shit really. I guess you never really bothered looking at when the first post of that blog as made to see how new it was? Ah well.
                                                              Why would he disclose his sites to you if he doesn't intend on doing any business with you? With all of the idiot stalkers and people with no life trying to disrupt other's businesses I don't blame him...
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                                                              • Chef86
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                                                                • Sep 2006
                                                                • 2930

                                                                #32
                                                                That would be understandble but he doesnt have to be rude about it then at the end post an icq conversation publically just because it didn't go so smoothly. Seriously how many people actually do that? Not to many.

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                                                                • Chef86
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                                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                                  • 2930

                                                                  #33
                                                                  http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=785497 Hey Fris I should have really just did an icq search about you before asking what sites you own. I mean if you wont disclose your sites to someone on icq then be an idiot about it and post the icq conversations publically, yet you'll post em on gfy publically?

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                                                                  • Profits of Doom
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                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                    • 4978

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                                    That would be understandble but he doesnt have to be rude about it then at the end post an icq conversation publically just because it didn't go so smoothly. Seriously how many people actually do that? Not to many.
                                                                    It sounds like you cold contacted him on ICQ, he didn't want to be bothered, and then you got butt hurt about it. You need to have a thicker skin if you want to survive in any type of business, much less this one...
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                                                                    • Chef86
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                                                                      • Sep 2006
                                                                      • 2930

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I was never bothered just didn't appreciate his attitude.

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                                                                      • baddog
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                        • 107089

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                                        Why don't you post the whole icq conversation of this person rather then cutting/pasting parts of it that you want people to see?
                                                                        So you are ICQing people and telling them you are Steve Lightspeed?

                                                                        I think this would be a good time to change your ICQ number and start an entirely new online identity.

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                                                                        • baddog
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                          • 107089

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                                          He also knew that I wasn't Steve Light speed as he didn't explain to me anything that he wanted me to look at his account. He said he'd explain everything in the email which clearly states he knew I wasn't Steve Lightspeed. Some people in this biz obviously don't have a sense of humour and just love trying to ruin good people.
                                                                          Your logic is astounding.

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                                                                          • baddog
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                            • 107089

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                                            You do that... If people really did icq you about me impersonating him I'm sure he already knows by now :P
                                                                            He does.

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                                                                            • tehHinjew
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                                                                              • Sep 2006
                                                                              • 5755

                                                                              #39
                                                                              lol ahhahahahaha



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                                                                              • Deej
                                                                                I make pixels work
                                                                                • Jun 2005
                                                                                • 24386

                                                                                #40
                                                                                NF, youre being an idiot dude...


                                                                                youre actually in here defending yourself...



                                                                                my firm belief that you are John Clark (atleast kissing cousins) is solidifying as we speak...



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                                                                                • tehHinjew
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                                                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                                                  • 5755

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  but honestly man youve been on this site since 06

                                                                                  your first post was in October 26th, 2007

                                                                                  now ive been on the site since the same as you and i have way more sites then what i told you on icq... dude you need to work harder

                                                                                  plus no offence man but when i agreed to make your site look nicer, i really wasnt doing it for the link trade.. my blog will only trade with min pr2,

                                                                                  get to work dude stay away from gfy for a while

                                                                                  http://click.payserve.com/ct?id=38118&bn=385 sign up here and just go crazy by copy pasting rss feeds to your blog, you seriously need some nice content

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                                                                                  • Chef86
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                    So you are ICQing people and telling them you are Steve Lightspeed?

                                                                                    I think this would be a good time to change your ICQ number and start an entirely new online identity.
                                                                                    Detective Baddog to the rescue! First you have it up with Pete-KT and his post count now me, you really know how to make friends on this board.

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                                                                                    • Deej
                                                                                      I make pixels work
                                                                                      • Jun 2005
                                                                                      • 24386

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                                                      Detective Baddog to the rescue! First you have it up with Pete-KT and his post count now me, you really know how to make friends on this board.
                                                                                      What's sad is youre serious about all of this...



                                                                                      you act like a 13 year old hussie...



                                                                                      get a grip dude and a life...


                                                                                      do something...

                                                                                      try to make your own stake instead of portraying others for leverage...




                                                                                      you were helped before, by me and im sure many others...

                                                                                      months ago...



                                                                                      you think your constant name dropping and "views" are worth something... and like you know how to whore up the views...




                                                                                      and you dont even get it...

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                                                                                      • Chef86
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        You never helped me at all with anything, and you constantly call me John Clark even though you know I'm not. If you wanna bash me then fine personally I could care less.

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                                                                                        • Babaganoosh
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                                                          You never helped me at all with anything, and you constantly call me John Clark even though you know I'm not. If you wanna bash me then fine personally I could care less.
                                                                                          I thought you were leaving GFY? What's the matter? Can't do it?
                                                                                          I like pie.

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                                                                                          • Deej
                                                                                            I make pixels work
                                                                                            • Jun 2005
                                                                                            • 24386

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                                                            You never helped me at all with anything, and you constantly call me John Clark even though you know I'm not. If you wanna bash me then fine personally I could care less.
                                                                                            you may not be john... but you seem like it...

                                                                                            I never helped you per say.... but i gave you insight to a few things... nothing drastic...

                                                                                            my point is... youve been pointed in the right direction by many people and yet you feel being a sig whore ( a bad one at that) is far more important than looking into long term...

                                                                                            stick with a plan... what happened to the blogs and forums and communities and job search boards....etc etc...?



                                                                                            ADD perhaps?

                                                                                            or just 13?

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                                                                                            • Chef86
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              I could really care less what you think about me.

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                                                                                              • Deej
                                                                                                I make pixels work
                                                                                                • Jun 2005
                                                                                                • 24386

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                                                                I could really care less what you think about me.
                                                                                                ok, what about everyone else?

                                                                                                also id like to add... youre being a nuisance by portraying others and dropping names like it will bring you up...

                                                                                                like boneprone... i seen your nose diggin up his ass in that other thread...

                                                                                                "OH bone prone... you dont know me but I wanna be your buddy... you do such a good job BP... youre my hero... im gonna use your name to bash someone else..


                                                                                                But boneprone, why dont you like me... I said you do good work and youre better than Fris...


                                                                                                WTF Boneprone... im your homeboy..


                                                                                                *cry*"




                                                                                                shit... I sent chills through my body with that performance... I think I nailed the essence of your ineffective banter...

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                                                                                                • Chef86
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Your graphic design sucks do you outsource it to kindergarden students just learning how to draw? Headless does better graphics then you do.

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                                                                                                  • JohnnyJames
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by northernfantasy
                                                                                                    That would be understandble but he doesnt have to be rude about it then at the end post an icq conversation publically just because it didn't go so smoothly. Seriously how many people actually do that? Not to many.
                                                                                                    Didn't go SMOOTHLY?

                                                                                                    You're impersonating a member or the biz, get caught, get called out and then say. . . HE was rude?

                                                                                                    it didn't go so smoothly

                                                                                                    That's almost like saying the weather was kinda rough around New Orleans when Katrina hit.
                                                                                                    Last edited by JohnnyJames; 11-18-2007, 11:43 AM.

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