50 pirates tieing 50 scarvy dogs to the yard arm, and giving each 50 lashes.
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Copyright: The exclusive legal right to reproduce, publish, sell, or distribute the matter and form of something (as a literary, musical, or artistic work.
To clarify... Exclusive means that the creator/author/assigns are the ONLY people legally permitted to do what you're doing...
It says nothing about protection from plagarism... which has it's own set of laws..
Perhaps Canada should use a word other than, "copyright" in their laws.. It has a meaning..Comment
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Dont pretty much all licensing agreements between the 'user' and the 'copyright' holders include phrases such as 'any part' of this software may not be distributed? Even if your seeding a torrent your still giving away 'parts' of a script that is protected by copyright.ICQ number: 497388922Comment
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Here is some Canadian Case law for you Scootermuze !
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You are a fucking retard L-Pink!
You're hopeless... Can't even read a little... fucking looser...
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Gideon, does your mom know you visit porn boards? She will get upset if she catches you.
You go on and on about "giving little pieces". It's horseshit, because your intent isn't to give 100 people 100 little pieces that are useless, but to give 100 people 100 little pieces and they can get the other 99 peices from the other people and they all end up with the same 100 pieces and a total product.
Your intent is to share the file with others, period. It doesn't matter the METHOD, it matters the intent. You want other people to end up with a complete work without paying.
All the rest is total horseshit, you know it. Just go the fuck back to your torrent chat rooms and leave us alone already. Your a fucking ass.Comment
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actually the act says
where section 107 (fair use)"Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:|
the act goes on to explain the rules on how to courts should define other fair uses (see timeshifting in the betamax case) but once that fair use rights the exclusive rights granted under sections 106 and 106 a DO NOT APPLY (that what notwithstanding means)Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.
for the scope of fair use you have no copyright therefore you have no exclusive rights
I suggest you check out the site defendfairuse.org your misrepresentation (pretending the notwithstanding clause does not exist) is exactly the type of abuse that this group is designed to fight against.
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tony404, you are really low as to say something like that to me...
I am point things out for what they are, not depriving anyone of anything... so shove your negative point of view up your big ass of yours.
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With reference to U.S. law... sharing/distributing a full copy of copyrighted material does NOT fall with the fair use doctrine...
Letting a friend borrow your video is too petty to even discuss... Placing the full copy on a file sharing site; knowing that others can and will copy it is a far cry from fair use.
If you'll read the Fair Use portion of the law, you'll see that copying and distributing material that results in a negative affect on it's market is not fair use..Comment
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There was here no evidence that the alleged infringers either distributed or authorized the reproduction of sound recordings. All they did was place personal copies into shared directories accessible by other computer users.
The courts' interpretations in Canada are as bad as some in the U.S.Comment
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Guys, quit answering Gideon, it is pointless. This child has nothing better to do than crank out the same useless drivel from his torrent buddies, not even understanding it for himself. This loser thinks that fair use means he can give stuff away on the internet for free.
FUCKING IDIOT.
Gideon, seriously. Go away. You are a shitstain.Comment
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I have just a few dislikes about Americans (U.S.)
1. ) You do not control the world but act like your laws are above other nations.
2. ) Anything you see of value you will try to control with intent to deprive. ( long political history of such actions)
3. ) When your logic fails then all is fair game and all niceties are lost at the drop of the hat.
Most Americans I have met personally or do business with seem to be nice honest people, perhaps these are the educated ones... but from time to time I am reminded why the US has the reputation it does...
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Balal, I hope the company you are repping is proud of your opinion of american and american webmasters, content companies, and production companies.
Would Yappo like it if I opened Yapposhare and put up all your content and gave it away for free? After all, I am in Canada.
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Why am I low? Have you had to beg to get a whole rip of your pay site off of a BT? I have more than once.Its my sweat and blood, its costs money to create content for it to be given away to sell aff memberships hurts. These places hurt our industry all bullshit aside, for you to be flippant about the whole thing is upsetting.Have you created anything that was just given away,your livelihood given away for free?Last edited by tony286; 11-14-2007, 06:07 PM.Comment
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Tony, he balal has convinced me single handed not to promote yappo. I was actually looking for a PPV replacement for another program too. Odd how that happens.Comment
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Wow the stupidity by L-Pink & RawAlex is fucking amazing !
RawAlex = fail in logic = attack
Yappo has the best support I know of and I have nothing but respect for them as a whole.
I'm all for the idea of making money and the porn industry as a whole, but the porn industry is loosing billions yearly or should I say not making forecasted revenues... so automatically it is assumed that the problem is file sharing aka P2P and such people are acting out of spite for the big boys in the porn industry... because they feel that they can...
So I say this...
There is tuns of free porn just being given away as to promote the different adult associate programs out there... and with all the many thousands of TGP/MGPs showing free pictures and short videos... most surfers are just fine with that... and don't bother to go for the quality content being offered professionally.
Another issue is the quality of traffic being sent to the adult associate programs... the conversion rates are really low because of the tuns of crap CJ traffic which turns out to be the mainstream bartering tool.
Perhaps if the porn industry put out less promotional materials, as a whole, for their webmasters and focused in the mainstream non Internet they would most likely do just fine for themselves, but most likely this will not happen...
The Noobs who join up to a adult associate programs are forced to learn the hard way by coming to forums and talking to their competition who do not want to give "trade" secrets away freely so they charge a stupid amount of money for a stupid simple fix... and give very poor advice.
Quantity over quality is a very big issue in the porn industry mainly in the webmaster side of things and not the actual content producers problem...
This is my point of view regarding the porn industry... I think many adult webmasters who are not doing well need to find some escape goat because they have not learned to market their content and look bad to their associate owners...
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Balal, congrats. You have made yourself look like an ass and totally discredited the company you are pimping.
Keep going. The only think you are missing is to borrow money from a bunch of people and drunkenly throw a chair off a balcony at a show to be a true professional porn rep.
Jim The Fiend will be calling you soon for tips.
You might want to get a backhoe, you can dig that hole faster.Comment
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I can handle a personal atack on a global level... yea I can... ^^
Alright your fucking retard L-Pink you speak for your country like you own it and i'll do the same... Your country had a half of trillion dollars put into it to get it out of the toilet because your economy is not well managed... You have China who threated to dump trillions of its US dollars... well if they did your US dollar would hit around 40 cents perhaps 30 cents Canadian ... would I find that funny hell yea now I would now.
I might not represent Canada, but I don't lose either!
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RawAlex get you head out of your ass!sig too bigComment
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Your are a real flake RawAlex... go join you army they will beat it out of you!
You have http://www.ftc.gov/ as your homepage you are a real dumb fuck!
"Federal Trade Commission --- Protecting America's Consumers"
Caution dog crossing !!!
This is almost fun...
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They should have broken his fucking hands to send a message.
The file sharing has gone too far. These guys have convinced themselves they are doing no wrong. It's time to bring them back to the real world.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Alright your fucking retard L-Pink you speak for your country like you own it and i'll do the same... Your country had a half of trillion dollars put into it to get it out of the toilet because your economy is not well managed... You have China who threated to dump trillions of its US dollars... well if they did your US dollar would hit around 40 cents perhaps 30 cents Canadian ... would I find that funny hell yea now I would now.
I might not represent Canada, but I don't lose either!
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Now what are you vomiting about?
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Lol ...
I think there is a miss understanding... I am not saying give pay content away free... nor am I saying I agree with theft of content of services being offered, but rather indicating Canadian laws regarding file backup and P2P as it stands now in Canada.
I think L-Pink & RawAlex are real mouth pieces who most likely don't have what it takes to be in the porn industry, but must sound like they support it for their sponsors and associates.
I see SmokeyTheBear has come for his signature post or perhaps it is just to play with himself...
SmokeyTheBear and Jimthefriend I hear are close... if you get what I mean...
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from the canadian copyright act
http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/info/act-e.html#rid-33554
1) Every person who knowingly
(a) makes for sale or rental an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,
(b) sells or rents out, or by way of trade exposes or offers for sale or rental, an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,
(c) distributes infringing copies of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, either for the purpose of trade or to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,
(d) by way of trade exhibits in public an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, or
(e) imports for sale or rental into Canada any infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists
is guilty of an offence and liable
(f) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both, or
(g) on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding one million dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both.
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thats for anyone stupid enough to believe this yappo idiot..
this is coming from a guy who called tia ling a scammer because he didnt understand how to cash a money order
this yappo company must be looking to sink itself quick with this idiot on the ship LOLhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Send in the escape goat and the drama llama! They will solve the problem.Comment
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smokey i respect your statements on a lot of other issues but you seem to be highlying all the wrong parts of the lawfrom the canadian copyright act
http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/info/act-e.html#rid-33554
1) Every person who knowingly
(a) makes for sale or rental an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,
(b) sells or rents out, or by way of trade exposes or offers for sale or rental, an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,
(c) distributes infringing copies of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, either for the purpose of trade or to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,
(d) by way of trade exhibits in public an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, or
(e) imports for sale or rental into Canada any infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists
is guilty of an offence and liable
(f) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both, or
(g) on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding one million dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both.
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thats for anyone stupid enough to believe this yappo idiot..
this is coming from a guy who called tia ling a scammer because he didnt understand how to cash a money order
this yappo company must be looking to sink itself quick with this idiot on the ship LOL
canadian law unlike it use counterpart does not have contributory infringement
the copyright holder must prove both that you are "knowingly" infringing on their copyright and that your actions in and of themselves is "an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright"1) Every person who knowingly
(a) makes for sale or rental an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,
(b) sells or rents out, or by way of trade exposes or offers for sale or rental, an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,
(c) distributes infringing copies of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, either for the purpose of trade or to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,
(d)by way of trade exhibits in public an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, or
(e) imports for sale or rental into Canada any infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists
is guilty of an offence and liable
(f) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both, or
(g) on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding one million dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both.
Every abuse of fair use in your country has come because of abuse of a claim of contributory infringement.
The fact is when people have misrepresent an infringing act as fair use (ie sharing content they never bought a right too) they have been guilty of either direct infringement or intermediary infringement.
Sure it is a little more difficult to convict someone of a crime under our laws. but fair use rights are not being overly abused in my country so our laws are more balanced.
I suggest you guys start getting better informed about the copyright laws. I know RAW keeps trying to argue that i am just siding with the theives but the reality fair use account for 16.6 % of the Economy. IT is big LEGAL business.
i believe in a fair and balanced protection of copyright that is consistance with the CCIA position on the issue as the authors of the copyright act intented when they placed both exclusive rights and the fair use exemptions in the SAME BILL.
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My favorite thought of the week is the idea that torrent sites are all about a totally socialist idea, that everything should be shared without restriction, without money being exchanged, without any of that nasty commercialism and big corporations getting involved.
To download a torrent, you need to go to a website packed full of ads.
When will the "fans" of torrents wake up and realize they are just being used as tools by the torrent sites to make ass loads of money and laugh all the way to the bank, which idiots sit in their mommy's basement ripping the DVDs they just rented from blockbuster?
A large loyal workforce does all the work for free and a few fuckheads in sweden are laughing it up with "champagne wishes and caviar dreams".Comment
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can you point out where i have ever made that arguement, i object to misrepresenting an infringment as fair use as much as i object to misrepresenting copyright law to exclude fair use. The act of trading content you never purchased a right to0 is and should always be an infringment, people who do so deserve every dollar of fines they get (even 20K+ per song)
but the fair use rights to back up the content and to recover content that you have PURCHASED a right to view should also be protected.
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how can i be highlighting the "wrong" parts of the law.
he said copyright doesn't fall under "laws" , i pointed out it did. is this true or false.
do copyrights fall under the law yes or no ?
as far as the legal stuff i think your just trying to convince yourself of something everyone already knows.
People get held legally responsible for violating copyright laws , both in canada and the usa , so i'm not sure exactly what you're trying to argue ..
Can torrent sites and such find legal loopholes to argue what they are doing is right ? probably..
Can the government ignore the loopholes and screw you some way ? most certainly
my kids believe in unicorns
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i suggest you re-read the report because online backup and recovery was listed as one of the fair uses of copyright material.
eliminate the people who are using torrents to AQUIRE rights to content they have never purchased and that is all swarm is.
You can get rid of those people by simply identifying their ip address and sending a legal letter to the isp.
Those that actually bought the right to the content can prove that they bought such a right and would/could demand that their privacy rights be protected (like i did when lost producers threatened me) those that do not would lose their internet connection.
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both fair use and infringment is covered by law (they are defined by an act of law so that is common sense) but i think he is talking in the context of "theft of property" where the possession in the act of distributing is in and of itself enough to justify a conviction (traffiking in stolen goods). I think you are overly simplifying to discredit the entire point he is making because your arguing with someone who is not making the context clear.how can i be highlighting the "wrong" parts of the law.
he said copyright doesn't fall under "laws" , i pointed out it did. is this true or false.
do copyrights fall under the law yes or no ?
as far as the legal stuff i think your just trying to convince yourself of something everyone already knows.
People get held legally responsible for violating copyright laws , both in canada and the usa , so i'm not sure exactly what you're trying to argue ..
Can torrent sites and such find legal loopholes to argue what they are doing is right ? probably..
Can the government ignore the loopholes and screw you some way ? most certainly
your both right it just depends on the context.
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jesus christ , no offense but why are people so damn dense.
it was a YES or NO question .. , the answer is less than 4 characters , its not a paragraph.
lets try this again..
anything but YES or NO , means you are avoiding the question because you can't be honest.
Does copyright fall under the law ?
i will remind you once again what the question is NOT
The question is NOT ,
What other various things do copyright have to do with ?
Are torrents bad ?
What is fair use .. ?
but lets be realistic here , i have already pointed out it does indeed fall under a law , a specific law infact that i posted . so unless you have some sort of proof to the contrary i would say your arguing a losing battle..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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http://strategis.gc.ca/sc_mrksv/cipo/cp/cp_main-e.html
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yes AND nojesus christ , no offense but why are people so damn dense.
it was a YES or NO question .. , the answer is less than 4 characters , its not a paragraph.
lets try this again..
anything but YES or NO , means you are avoiding the question because you can't be honest.
Does copyright fall under the law ?
i will remind you once again what the question is NOT
The question is NOT ,
What other various things do copyright have to do with ?
Are torrents bad ?
What is fair use .. ?
but lets be realistic here , i have already pointed out it does indeed fall under a law , a specific law infact that i posted . so unless you have some sort of proof to the contrary i would say your arguing a losing battle..
it both it depends on the context
Fair use excludes all of the exclusive rights granted by the act
so when fair use exists for the scope of that "infringing act" the law does not exist
ergo NO
for that part where fair use does not exist (ie where you have never bought a right to the content) the protects of the law do exist
ergo
YES
trying to simplify to a yes or No answer is the same as the "have you stopped beating your wife" question if you have never beaten your wife neither answer is correct.
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