And so starts the RFID Chip Nightmare that so many said would never happen...

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  • aico
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    • Mar 2004
    • 14748

    #1

    And so starts the RFID Chip Nightmare that so many said would never happen...

    This is how it starts people...
    http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/devlin/17027

    Good luck
  • Fetish Gimp
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    • Feb 2005
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    #2
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    • GrouchyAdmin
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      • 12085

      #3
      That's probably the most asinine excuse for tagging people I've ever heard.

      In before one of the resident nutbags equates it to the tats in the labor camps.

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      • Elli
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        • Apr 2003
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        #4
        The world is a bigger place than it used to be. Back in the "good old days" the farthest your kid could wander was to the neighbour's farm or into town. Now they can hop a bus or train and disappear into the metropolitan landscape so easily. Even if kids don't mean to get into trouble, it's a dangerous place out there. If keeping tabs on them helps, I'm all for it.

        It's up to the parents to decide what to do with the information, though. If they are able to find out from the RFID chips that their kid is skipping school, do they punish or let it slide? That's the real benefit: teaching the children. If the parents don't care, then the kids won't care and there goes society.

        Ok, end rant. Back to my coffee.
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        • Barefootsies
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          • nosey
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            • MetaMan
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              • Jan 2003
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              #7
              Originally posted by Elli
              The world is a bigger place than it used to be. Back in the "good old days" the farthest your kid could wander was to the neighbour's farm or into town. Now they can hop a bus or train and disappear into the metropolitan landscape so easily. Even if kids don't mean to get into trouble, it's a dangerous place out there. If keeping tabs on them helps, I'm all for it.

              It's up to the parents to decide what to do with the information, though. If they are able to find out from the RFID chips that their kid is skipping school, do they punish or let it slide? That's the real benefit: teaching the children. If the parents don't care, then the kids won't care and there goes society.

              Ok, end rant. Back to my coffee.
              How about teaching your kids real life skills so that when they get in real life situations they can handle it?

              everyone babies their kids these days it is fucking ridiculous, people are so quick to give up their freedoms not even realise what the fuck is happening.

              guess what! molestors and child predators have always existed the difference is we have news agencies that now can report to the entire world seconds after a china boy has stubbed his toe if they wanted to.

              there is no need to track your kids around every 2 seconds, the entire point in growing up is making your own mistakes and learning from them.

              north america is going to shit and im sure parts of europe also because of overberring parents that want to put restrictions on everything as a subsitute for their sub par parenting.

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              • aico
                Moo Moo Cow
                • Mar 2004
                • 14748

                #8
                Originally posted by Elli
                The world is a bigger place than it used to be. Back in the "good old days" the farthest your kid could wander was to the neighbour's farm or into town. Now they can hop a bus or train and disappear into the metropolitan landscape so easily. Even if kids don't mean to get into trouble, it's a dangerous place out there. If keeping tabs on them helps, I'm all for it.

                It's up to the parents to decide what to do with the information, though. If they are able to find out from the RFID chips that their kid is skipping school, do they punish or let it slide? That's the real benefit: teaching the children. If the parents don't care, then the kids won't care and there goes society.

                Ok, end rant. Back to my coffee.
                WHile I agree somewhat with what you are saying, my point is not that they are using it to track children, my point is that they are using it to track... which many people said would never happen.

                FYI RFID chips will be in 2008 US Driver's Licenses...

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                • Martin3
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                  • Oct 2005
                  • 1529

                  #9
                  Originally posted by MetaMan
                  How about teaching your kids real life skills so that when they get in real life situations they can handle it?

                  everyone babies their kids these days it is fucking ridiculous, people are so quick to give up their freedoms not even realise what the fuck is happening.

                  guess what! molestors and child predators have always existed the difference is we have news agencies that now can report to the entire world seconds after a china boy has stubbed his toe if they wanted to.

                  there is no need to track your kids around every 2 seconds, the entire point in growing up is making your own mistakes and learning from them.

                  north america is going to shit and im sure parts of europe also because of overberring parents that want to put restrictions on everything as a subsitute for their sub par parenting.
                  Pretty much what I was going to say. News use to be more local based, now it's national and international.
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                  • thonglife
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                    • Oct 2004
                    • 1566

                    #10
                    Originally posted by aico
                    FYI RFID chips will be in 2008 US Driver's Licenses...
                    Link please.. I've been following ADSX stock for years and it's the biggest pos on the Nasdaq. Where is this information?

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                    • thonglife
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 1566

                      #11
                      Originally posted by aico
                      This is how it starts people...
                      http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/devlin/17027

                      Good luck
                      The only good those chips are going to do is ring a bell if the kids leaves the building by walking through some scanning device. They are not GPS capable.

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                      • V_RocKs
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                        • Nov 2003
                        • 32451

                        #12
                        When both parents work, who is teaching the children?

                        Kids now'a'days think they are so grown up because they are left alone all day...

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                        • aico
                          Moo Moo Cow
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 14748

                          #13
                          Originally posted by thonglife
                          Link please.. I've been following ADSX stock for years and it's the biggest pos on the Nasdaq. Where is this information?
                          Real ID Act of 2005 signed by Pres. Bush

                          At a minimum, a state shall include the following information and features on a DL/ID: (1) person?s full legal name, (2) person?s date of birth, (3) person?s gender, (4) DL/ID number, (5) digital photograph, (6), person's address of legal residence, (7) person?s signature, (8) physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting or duplication for fraudulent purposes, and (9) a common machine-readable technology with defined data elements

                          RFID chips are the recommended "common machine-readable technology"

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                          • thonglife
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                            • Oct 2004
                            • 1566

                            #14
                            Originally posted by aico
                            Real ID Act of 2005 signed by Pres. Bush

                            At a minimum, a state shall include the following information and features on a DL/ID: (1) person’s full legal name, (2) person’s date of birth, (3) person’s gender, (4) DL/ID number, (5) digital photograph, (6), person's address of legal residence, (7) person’s signature, (8) physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting or duplication for fraudulent purposes, and (9) a common machine-readable technology with defined data elements

                            RFID chips are the recommended "common machine-readable technology"
                            Sorry but it says nothing about RFID.
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

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                            • Ron Bennett
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                              • Oct 2003
                              • 1653

                              #15
                              Kids will also have fun with RFIDs, especially as they increasingly appear in toys; google "rfid toys" to see examples / discussion of such products.

                              Forget that nasdaq stock - buy some RFID domains instead

                              RFIDToys.com, which I own , along with its singular version, undeveloped already gets around 60 visitors per month, and that's steadily increasing over time.

                              Kids today have grown up in a world of ever-present surveillance; comforted by someone else knowing where they are at all times - even many rebellous teens will keep in close contact with their parents / relatives throughout the day via cellphone / texting ... RFID simply makes doing that easier / more automated.

                              Another decade or so, once RFIDs are made much smaller to the size of say a grain of sand that can be placed under the skin using a tool similar to that of a tattoo gun, it's likely RFID implants will become commonplace.

                              Ron
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                              • After Shock Media
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                                • Mar 2001
                                • 35299

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Elli
                                The world is a bigger place than it used to be. Back in the "good old days" the farthest your kid could wander was to the neighbour's farm or into town. Now they can hop a bus or train and disappear into the metropolitan landscape so easily. Even if kids don't mean to get into trouble, it's a dangerous place out there. If keeping tabs on them helps, I'm all for it.

                                It's up to the parents to decide what to do with the information, though. If they are able to find out from the RFID chips that their kid is skipping school, do they punish or let it slide? That's the real benefit: teaching the children. If the parents don't care, then the kids won't care and there goes society.

                                Ok, end rant. Back to my coffee.
                                Wait a second. I am going on 38 now and as a kid leaving near the bay area I would like to object. I could of easily and actually did once spend a dollar and got myself from Concord CA to San Fransico CA via BART. Me and a friend cut school, went to San Fransico bummed around and spent almost all of our money. We did not have enough to get all the way home so we had to bounce back from Concord to Walnut Creek to get off (toll exit was cheaper there) and then walk back to our jr high (5th grade).

                                Now yes my parents would of found out about me skipping if I was tagged, though they found out anyways since they showed up to get me for an unknown doctors appointment that they were reminded of mid morning by doctors office and I was MIA. Regardless though this was just to point out that even almost 30 years ago it was just as easy to wonder way away.

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                                • aico
                                  Moo Moo Cow
                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 14748

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by thonglife
                                  Sorry but it says nothing about RFID.
                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
                                  sorry but I don't get my information from wikipedia, I get real information, not opinions and fluff.

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                                  • RevengeBucks_Monica
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                                    • Sep 2007
                                    • 775

                                    #18
                                    I think it's pretty horrendous thinking that parents would actually tag their children and track their every move.

                                    And I find it very scary that the government could use such technology in driver's licenses to basically track every citizen that has one. However, can't you already pinpoint someone's location if their cell phone is on? And don't most of us have cell phones and carry them everywhere?
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                                    • aico
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                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 14748

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by RevengeBucks_Monica
                                      I think it's pretty horrendous thinking that parents would actually tag their children and track their every move.

                                      And I find it very scary that the government could use such technology in driver's licenses to basically track every citizen that has one. However, can't you already pinpoint someone's location if their cell phone is on? And don't most of us have cell phones and carry them everywhere?
                                      Yes, but you can turn your cellphone off. You don't have a choice with your drivers license. After May 11, 2008, federal agencies can no longer accept non-approved drivers licenses.

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                                      • eroswebmaster
                                        March 1st, 2003
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 20295

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Elli
                                        If keeping tabs on them helps, I'm all for it.

                                        .
                                        Will someone please think of the children!!!!

                                        And there we go down the slippery slope...because that's what they will always tell us...we're in danger and we need it...and if enough people think like you then the rest of us will have to suffer through it as well.
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                                        • eroswebmaster
                                          March 1st, 2003
                                          • Jul 2001
                                          • 20295

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by aico
                                          Real ID Act of 2005 signed by Pres. Bush

                                          At a minimum, a state shall include the following information and features on a DL/ID: (1) person?s full legal name, (2) person?s date of birth, (3) person?s gender, (4) DL/ID number, (5) digital photograph, (6), person's address of legal residence, (7) person?s signature, (8) physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting or duplication for fraudulent purposes, and (9) a common machine-readable technology with defined data elements

                                          RFID chips are the recommended "common machine-readable technology"
                                          I thought the "common machine-readable technology" was the magnetic strip on the back of the license that they can swipe through their terminals in their cars.

                                          I've never heard anyone say anything about RFID.
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                                          • Ron Bennett
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                                            • Oct 2003
                                            • 1653

                                            #22
                                            U.S. Passports, as well as that of some other countries, already utilize RFID, many credit cards, etc ... so it's very plausible / likely that soon many state driver licenses will also be RFID chipped too.

                                            One can delay it a bit, but RFID is coming to driver licenses - it's just a matter of time.

                                            Some are probably thinking ... "no way, people will fight this hard" ... Nope! Consider this fact ... many states, including California, have long required fingerprinting for one to get a drivers license. If states can get people to go along with giving their fingerprint(s), mandating RFID in licenses will be a chinch!

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                                            • After Shock Media
                                              It's coming look busy
                                              • Mar 2001
                                              • 35299

                                              #23
                                              PS I am fairly certain many tires have RFID in them now for "recall" purposes. Then we shall just forget about cell phones, laptops, credit cards, on star, and so forth.

                                              Ron as for California's finger printing with licenses. Those prints are not used, not kept on file in reality, and just sent to fucking storage. I.E. it is a giant waste of state resources. If I recall they were prohbited by law from using them but the law also stayed ine effect to collect them.

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                                              • thonglife
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                                                • Oct 2004
                                                • 1566

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Ron Bennett
                                                Kids will also have fun with RFIDs, especially as they increasingly appear in toys; google "rfid toys" to see examples / discussion of such products.

                                                Forget that nasdaq stock - buy some RFID domains instead

                                                RFIDToys.com, which I own , along with its singular version, undeveloped already gets around 60 visitors per month, and that's steadily increasing over time.

                                                Kids today have grown up in a world of ever-present surveillance; comforted by someone else knowing where they are at all times - even many rebellous teens will keep in close contact with their parents / relatives throughout the day via cellphone / texting ... RFID simply makes doing that easier / more automated.

                                                Another decade or so, once RFIDs are made much smaller to the size of say a grain of sand that can be placed under the skin using a tool similar to that of a tattoo gun, it's likely RFID implants will become commonplace.

                                                Ron
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                                                • Ron Bennett
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                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                  • 1653

                                                  #25
                                                  Don't be so sure the data is that private ... fingerprints recorded using "livescan" and other digital technology is likely not just stored - data in computerized databases, regardless of the promises, virtually always find its way out to other places / used for other purposes.

                                                  Government, like politicians, can make all the empty promises they want because there's basically no penalty for them doing so...

                                                  To digress a bit, a person questioned by law enforcement typically can NOT legally lie, but law enforcement CAN and do!

                                                  To reiterate, believing government promises is about as silly as believing the promises of politicians.

                                                  The only true way to keep data private is not to collect it to begin with.

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                                                  • thonglife
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Oct 2004
                                                    • 1566

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by aico
                                                    sorry but I don't get my information from wikipedia, I get real information, not opinions and fluff.
                                                    Again....Where's the link?

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                                                    • aico
                                                      Moo Moo Cow
                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                      • 14748

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by thonglife
                                                      Again....Where's the link?
                                                      Google it, jesus, Real ID Act of 2005

                                                      here is CNN report on it
                                                      http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/ra...ids/index.html

                                                      and before you say "blah blah blah, nothing about RFID chips" the "common machine readable device" is to be determined by the Department of Homeland Security, and guess what, the Department of Homeland Security uses RFID Chips in Passports.

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                                                      • thonglife
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                                                        • Oct 2004
                                                        • 1566

                                                        #28
                                                        Hackers clone RFID in passports:
                                                        http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/03/g...d-e-passports/
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                                                        • AmigoPorn
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                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 21583

                                                          #29
                                                          I don't need a "big brother" watching over my shoulder all the time. I would rather have more freedom than more security.
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                                                          • baddog
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                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                            • 107089

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by aico
                                                            FYI RFID chips will be in 2008 US Driver's Licenses...
                                                            it is my understanding that these are in wide use in EU already. I was trying to figure out why no one ever asked to see my train ticket, and was informed it is because of the chips on the tickets.

                                                            Just what I was told.

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                                                            • RevengeBucks_Monica
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                                                              • Sep 2007
                                                              • 775

                                                              #31
                                                              With technological advances, we will see less and less privacy. And I suspect that the majority of people will just accept this as part of how life is.
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