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  • Spunky
    I need a beer
    • Jun 2002
    • 133978

    #51
    It's all good in the end

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    • ShoeBox
      So Fucking Banned
      • May 2012
      • 2056

      #52
      game over?

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      • V_RocKs
        Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
        • Nov 2003
        • 32448

        #53
        too little, too late?

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        • L-Pink
          working on my tan
          • Mar 2005
          • 39151

          #54
          Originally posted by L-Pink
          "CCBill relied on the ability of file locker websites to actively monitor incoming uploads from external sources"

          I'm confused, I thought file lockers hid behind the fact they didn't monitor user uploads?

          .
          Still curious ...

          .

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          • vdbucks
            Monger Cash
            • Jul 2010
            • 2773

            #55
            Originally posted by L-Pink
            Still curious ...

            .
            It's damage control.

            Just look at how many people are praising them now, after the fact, when the reality is that CCBill should have never processed for file lockers to begin with.

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            • mikesouth
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2003
              • 6334

              #56
              CCBill was going to be my update for tomorrow....I am glad to be able to trash that column.

              Thank you CCBill

              Good move.
              Mike South

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              • raymor
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2002
                • 3745

                #57
                I am very glad that I can once again highly recommend CCBill.
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                • L-Pink
                  working on my tan
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 39151

                  #58
                  Originally posted by vdbucks
                  It's damage control.

                  Just look at how many people are praising them now, after the fact, when the reality is that CCBill should have never processed for file lockers to begin with.
                  I agree, I'm also a little confused by this quote ....."CCBill relied on the ability of file locker websites to actively monitor incoming uploads from external sources"

                  I thought file lockers hid behind the fact they didn't monitor user uploads?

                  .

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                  • AdultKing
                    Raise Your Weapon
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 15601

                    #59
                    Originally posted by L-Pink
                    I agree, I'm also a little confused by this quote ....."CCBill relied on the ability of file locker websites to actively monitor incoming uploads from external sources"

                    I thought file lockers hid behind the fact they didn't monitor user uploads?

                    .
                    What a file locker will represent to a billing company is different from what they will tell their users.

                    They say to billing companies "Oh it's ok we'll make sure there's nothing bad"

                    They say to users "Come and upload anything you like we wont stop you"

                    They actually don't interfere with content unless forced to by DMCA or other legal means.

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                    • L-Pink
                      working on my tan
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 39151

                      #60
                      Originally posted by AdultKing
                      What a file locker will represent to a billing company is different from what they will tell their users.

                      They say to billing companies "Oh it's ok we'll make sure there's nothing bad"

                      They say to users "Come and upload anything you like we wont stop you"

                      They actually don't interfere with content unless forced to by DMCA or other legal means.
                      I was under the impression that no uploads were monitored in order to not be liable for what is uploaded. And yet ccbill states they relied on file lockers to monitor what is uploaded. ???

                      .

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                      • bean-aid
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 16493

                        #61
                        Originally posted by L-Pink
                        I was under the impression that no uploads were monitored in order to not be liable for what is uploaded. And yet ccbill states they relied on file lockers to monitor what is uploaded. ???

                        .
                        Drop it... CCBill did good. So many other things to focus attention on now, remember this one?:

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                        • L-Pink
                          working on my tan
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 39151

                          #62
                          Originally posted by L-Pink
                          I was under the impression that no uploads were monitored in order to not be liable for what is uploaded. And yet ccbill states they relied on file lockers to monitor what is uploaded. ???

                          .
                          Originally posted by beaner
                          Drop it... CCBill did good. So many other things to focus attention on now, remember this one?:
                          Just trying to understand something that doesn't make sense to me ......... Goodnight.

                          .
                          Last edited by L-Pink; 06-14-2012, 09:55 PM.

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                          • Paul Markham
                            Too old to care
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942

                            #63
                            Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                            Awesome!

                            The fight has just begun...

                            Imagine if ccBill and more importantly, the adult producers, set aside a small percentage of their income to fight piracy in a unified way, including class action lawsuits, what a difference we could make.

                            Rather than patting ourselves on the back and cracking a beer, let's roll up our sleeves and build upon this, so that we all benefit - this was a small battle, we still have a war to fight!



                            ADG
                            This is good news and shows what we can do when we act as one. Now the war moves to a new battle ground Paypal. We can concentrate our efforts on them more.

                            1 more happy CCbill client.



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                            • sojproductions
                              Confirmed User
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 2160

                              #64
                              This is good news, glad to see CCBill eventually took the right stance - should never have happened in the first place.
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                              • AdultKing
                                Raise Your Weapon
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 15601

                                #65
                                Originally posted by L-Pink
                                I was under the impression that no uploads were monitored in order to not be liable for what is uploaded. And yet ccbill states they relied on file lockers to monitor what is uploaded. ???

                                .
                                What CCBill is saying is that the Filelockers made representations to them that there would be nothing bad uploaded or left on their Filelockers. However as it's turned out that wasn't true.

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                                • LouiseLloyd
                                  SO FUCKING SCAMMED
                                  • Mar 2010
                                  • 1433

                                  #66
                                  Great move :o)

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                                  • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                    Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                    • Jul 2004
                                    • 38323

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham

                                    This is good news and shows what we can do when we act as one. Now the war moves to a new battle ground Paypal. We can concentrate our efforts on them more.

                                    1 more happy CCbill client.
                                    We need to do what we can to support ccBill in this too, because by making a principled decision they have stepped away from some money (I'm sure not all File Locker business is illegal, even though many are apparently havens for pirated content).

                                    What does ccBill suggest we can do to ensure that companies aiding and abetting illegal content come to see that it is no longer in their best business/financial interest to continue doing business with companies that are serving as a front for and profiting from cp/illegal/stolen content.

                                    PayPal made a deliberate decision to quit being an ally of the legal and legitimate adult industry a long time ago. It makes a pornographer blush looking at the slime that PayPal is in bed with and making money off of currently.

                                    PayBack PayPal?



                                    As I recall didn't the slimy guy's at Mansef that Fabian Thylmann supposedly paid millions to, use some of their Manwin money to become File Locker kings? Anyone know the name of their File Locker and how legit it is (and who their other "partners" are)?

                                    Time to make a list and check it twice...

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                                    • RyuLion
                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 32364

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by Spunky
                                      Congrats to the winners


                                      Originally posted by ccjax
                                      To our friends and colleagues:
                                      CCBILL HAS DISCONTINUED ITS PROCESSING RELATIONSHIPS WITH FILE LOCKER WEBSITES.

                                      Effective immediately, CCBill has discontinued processing for all file locker websites. While CCBill continues to back the business models of our client base without bias, it has been made aware of multiple instances involving content residing on various client websites which violate our Acceptable Use Policy (AUP).

                                      Due to the sensitivity of the matter, CCBill conducted an exhaustive internal investigation with the goal of determining the validity of claims concerning the breach of our AUP. Following the investigation, CCBill decided it can no longer provide transaction services to businesses operating a file locker model.

                                      From inception, CCBill relied on the ability of file locker websites to actively monitor incoming uploads from external sources and immediately remove any illicit files thereafter identified. It has become clear that such a task is both difficult for website operators to accomplish and nearly impossible for CCBill to verify.

                                      CCBill would like to thank those individuals who have provided examples of content existing on file locker websites which is in violation of our AUP. We are all part of this community and we believe it is our collective responsibility to maintain core values and ethics within the adult marketplace. CCBill has, and always will maintain its high standards in dealing with copyright infringement, illegal content and all aspects of our AUP.

                                      CCBill holds client privacy in the highest regard, and under no circumstance will we discuss specific details related to any previous or current client relationship. We respectfully ask for consideration of these policies, and thus please do not ask us to betray this trust.


                                      Gary Jackson
                                      Managing VP
                                      CCBill

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                                      • DamianJ
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Jul 2006
                                        • 15808

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                        Awesome!

                                        The fight has just begun...

                                        Imagine if ccBill and more importantly, the adult producers, set aside a small percentage of their income to fight piracy in a unified way, including class action lawsuits, what a difference we could make.

                                        Rather than patting ourselves on the back and cracking a beer, let's roll up our sleeves and build upon this, so that we all benefit - this was a small battle, we still have a war to fight!



                                        ADG
                                        Well done for shaming them into doing this ADG.

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                                        • CamTata
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Dec 2011
                                          • 75

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                          Awesome!

                                          The fight has just begun...

                                          Imagine if ccBill and more importantly, the adult producers, set aside a small percentage of their income to fight piracy in a unified way, including class action lawsuits, what a difference we could make.

                                          Rather than patting ourselves on the back and cracking a beer, let's roll up our sleeves and build upon this, so that we all benefit - this was a small battle, we still have a war to fight!



                                          ADG
                                          Excellent decision by CCBill to end the cannibalization of its core market by halting payment processes that enrich those that employ a business model designed to facilitate theft. Bravo CCBill.

                                          However, even if producers/creators of content have things patented, trademarked, copyrighted, cloaked in multiple layers of secrecy and watermarks, pirates can and will duplicate IP by stealing. Pirates, despite their professed altruism, pilfer the work of others for one reason; profit.

                                          Extinguishing their ability to profit needs to be a concerted and forceful effort that exhibits ferocity and toughness to be successful.

                                          Adult producers need to hoist a few trophies up the flag pole their ship to signify the hazards of IP piracy.

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                                          • EukerVoorn
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Aug 2011
                                            • 1423

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Squirtit
                                            Correct




                                            You stated that your goals are:


                                            1) To stop these ( file sharing ) sites

                                            2) Protect intellectual property

                                            3) Ban disgusting shit from the internet



                                            The only thing that changed is CCBill processing for them


                                            You haven't reached any of your goals

                                            .
                                            SquirtIt with all respect you're totally out of line. Leon has been doing a great thing in the benefit of all content producers including you, after you attacked him he kept respectful towards you and he showed you how CCBill was processing for a site that violates your copyrights but you continue your crusade against him. What is wrong with you man?

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                                            • EukerVoorn
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Aug 2011
                                              • 1423

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by ccjax
                                              To our friends and colleagues:
                                              CCBILL HAS DISCONTINUED ITS PROCESSING RELATIONSHIPS WITH FILE LOCKER WEBSITES.

                                              Gary Jackson
                                              Managing VP
                                              CCBill
                                              Great decision. This is going to be a milestone, in a few years from now we'll look back at how CCBill was the first one that made a decision and announcement like this.

                                              Let's hope that Visa, MasterCard and PayPal will be next.

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                                              • CHMOD
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jun 2003
                                                • 1697

                                                #73
                                                Good news !!

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                                                • aciuf
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Jun 2012
                                                  • 59

                                                  #74
                                                  Good news
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                                                  • aciuf
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Jun 2012
                                                    • 59

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                                                    Great decision. This is going to be a milestone, in a few years from now we'll look back at how CCBill was the first one that made a decision and announcement like this.

                                                    Let's hope that Visa, MasterCard and PayPal will be next.
                                                    We made several infringement reports to PayPal but unfortunately nothing really materialized
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                                                    • scarlettcontent
                                                      www.scarlettcontent.net
                                                      • Mar 2006
                                                      • 6031

                                                      #76
                                                      well done. ccbill rock!


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                                                      • Pornopat
                                                        AdultTubeSubmits.com
                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                        • 10598

                                                        #77
                                                        Well done ccbill.
                                                        I am proud of you.
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                                                        • DWB
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 31779

                                                          #78
                                                          Everyone makes mistakes. It is what you do afterwards to correct those mistakes that matters.

                                                          I'm very happy to see CCbill's decision on this. It was the right thing to do.

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                                                          • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                            Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                                            • Jul 2004
                                                            • 38323

                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by DamianJ

                                                            Well done for shaming them into doing this ADG.
                                                            Wish I could say it was me, but I think the credit for this round goes to DWB, the GFY community-at-large, and to ccBill for making the right move!

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                                                            • seeandsee
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                                                              • Mar 2006
                                                              • 50945

                                                              #80
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                                                              • NewNick
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Mar 2009
                                                                • 7230

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by Squirtit
                                                                Correct




                                                                You stated that your goals are:


                                                                1) To stop these ( file sharing ) sites

                                                                2) Protect intellectual property

                                                                3) Ban disgusting shit from the internet



                                                                The only thing that changed is CCBill processing for them


                                                                You haven't reached any of your goals
















                                                                .

                                                                You really are clueless. These sites are businesses with considerable overheads. They exist to make a profit. Cut off the money supply and they will cease to exist.

                                                                Much more work to be done, but keep the pressure on visa, MasterCard, and PayPal and these places will find it very difficult to survive.

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                                                                • Phoenix
                                                                  BACON BACON BACON
                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                  • 35475

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                  "CCBill relied on the ability of file locker websites to actively monitor incoming uploads from external sources"

                                                                  I'm confused, I thought file lockers hid behind the fact they didn't monitor user uploads?

                                                                  .
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                                                                  • nyllover
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • May 2008
                                                                    • 558

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Very very very good news. Finally.
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                                                                    • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                      Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                      • 38323

                                                                      #84
                                                                      I don't think you're happy enuf...



                                                                      Given the views in the other threads over a number of days, it would be good to sticky this thread, perhaps through the weekend, to ensure that the word gets disseminated.



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                                                                      • Klen
                                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                                        • 32234

                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                        Awesome!

                                                                        The fight has just begun...

                                                                        Imagine if ccBill and more importantly, the adult producers, set aside a small percentage of their income to fight piracy in a unified way, including class action lawsuits, what a difference we could make.

                                                                        Rather than patting ourselves on the back and cracking a beer, let's roll up our sleeves and build upon this, so that we all benefit - this was a small battle, we still have a war to fight!



                                                                        ADG
                                                                        Hardly,this worked only because ccbill rely on adult industry and to do action was enough to post on boards,for other problematic entities it will need much more work.

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                                                                        • ninavain
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                          • 6268

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by vdbucks
                                                                          It's damage control.

                                                                          Just look at how many people are praising them now, after the fact, when the reality is that CCBill should have never processed for file lockers to begin with.
                                                                          Bingo...


                                                                          the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth

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                                                                          • candyflip
                                                                            Carpe Visio
                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                            • 43069

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by ninavain
                                                                            Bingo...


                                                                            the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth
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                                                                            • BIGTYMER
                                                                              Junior Achiever
                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                              • 17066

                                                                              #88
                                                                              Now that we have time we can focus on shutting down oron.

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                                                                              • DWB
                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                • 31779

                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by ninavain
                                                                                Bingo...


                                                                                the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth
                                                                                I don't think it's kissing ass to be happy with their decision.

                                                                                No doubt about it, they fucked up big time. It was an epic fuck up. But they un-fucked themselves. They can't undo what was done, but late is better than never.

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                                                                                • TheDA
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                                  • 4665

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Until the next time they are dicovered to be processing for dodgy sites.

                                                                                  It's happened with CCBill before and I guess it could easily happen again.

                                                                                  They didn't learn enough from previous exposure, why is this time any different?
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                                                                                  • babydred
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                    • 497

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by vdbucks
                                                                                    It's damage control.

                                                                                    Just look at how many people are praising them now, after the fact, when the reality is that CCBill should have never processed for file lockers to begin with.
                                                                                    Originally posted by ninavain
                                                                                    Bingo...

                                                                                    the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth
                                                                                    both QFT, damage control.

                                                                                    imho, CCBill will wait until this blows over then it's back to business.
                                                                                    New niche?

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                                                                                    • aciuf
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Jun 2012
                                                                                      • 59

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      this is great news, good job ccbill! Maybe other payment processors will take you guys as an example and join the fight against pirates
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                                                                                      • ruff
                                                                                        I have a plan B
                                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                                        • 5499

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Thank you CCBill. This is the right decision in my opinion.
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                                                                                        • EpicPanda
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                                                                                          • Nov 2006
                                                                                          • 778

                                                                                          #94


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                                                                                          • Sarah_ALSSCAN
                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                            • Jan 2006
                                                                                            • 22

                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Great news!
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                                                                                              • 39861

                                                                                              #96
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                                                                                              • Axeman
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                                • 5201

                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by aciuf
                                                                                                We made several infringement reports to PayPal but unfortunately nothing really materialized
                                                                                                Paypal is stubborn, but if you keep hammering them with proper evidence of bad things they are processing, they have bent in the past.

                                                                                                Just got to keep pressuring on the Visa/MC side for those companies processing for this crap. That's the only real leverage to get some of them to back down.
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                                                                                                  • 6537

                                                                                                  #98
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                                                                                                  • CaptainHowdy
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                                                    • 94024

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Late sig spot ...

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                                                                                                    • ottopottomouse
                                                                                                      She is ugly, bad luck.
                                                                                                      • Jan 2010
                                                                                                      • 13177

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by ninavain
                                                                                                      the rest of you guys are kissing on an ass that just took a shit in your mouth... good luck brushing your teeth
                                                                                                      ↑ see post ↑
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