*face palm* CCbill now processing for Oron.com - WTF!?!

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  • DWB
    Registered User
    • Jul 2003
    • 31779

    #1

    *face palm* CCbill now processing for Oron.com - WTF!?!

    Honestly... WTF?



    Very disappointing.
  • candyflip
    Carpe Visio
    • Jul 2002
    • 43070

    #2
    Been brought up and ignored already I believe.

    Spend you some brain.
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    • mikesouth
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2003
      • 6334

      #3
      Thatsjust fucking sad I mean come CCBill are yall that fucking hard up?
      Mike South

      It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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      • - Jesus Christ -
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2003
        • 7197

        #4
        Stealing is the new black.

        Amen

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        • candyflip
          Carpe Visio
          • Jul 2002
          • 43070

          #5
          Private jets need fuel yo.

          Spend you some brain.
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          • DWB
            Registered User
            • Jul 2003
            • 31779

            #6
            Originally posted by candyflip
            Been brought up and ignored already I believe.
            I just saw it on Xbiz today. What a shame. As a long time customer of CCbill I feel really let down.

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            • BIGTYMER
              Junior Achiever
              • Nov 2004
              • 17066

              #7
              Oron is the worst... We ALL have less money in our pockets thanks to them.

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              • Chosen
                • Aug 2001
                • 63151

                #8
                Infuckingcredible...

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                • Roald
                  SecretFriends.com
                  • May 2001
                  • 27910

                  #9
                  I clicked through and they are not there for me. I know they were at some point though.


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                  • Harmon
                    ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ)
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 20012

                    #10
                    Let's just say that if anything goes down, payment processing will follow. Somebody is funding this illegal shit, and it isn't me.

                    Good luck to all of the cunt bags involved.

                    Drop CCBill immediately. Show them what's up. They know what is happening. They don't care. Well, at least they will not care until they are forced to show up in a court of law and play fucking dumb.

                    These threads prove that they know what is happening. Fucking cunts.
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                    • Paper_Amar
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                      • Jun 2007
                      • 2607

                      #11
                      would love to hear ccbill comment on this
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                      • Harmon
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                        • Mar 2004
                        • 20012

                        #12

                        http://kitty-kats.com/showthread.php...-renewal/page2
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                        • lucas131
                          ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 11475

                          #13
                          was ist das der oron?

                          https://maps.google.com/maps?q=oron+...rland&t=m&z=14

                          i will be there in two months, so i am taking fansigns in this thread, just show me your asshole

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                          • MaDalton
                            I am Amazing Content!
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 39861

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Roald
                            I clicked through and they are not there for me. I know they were at some point though.
                            still there when you choose Mastercard
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                            • Harmon
                              ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ)
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 20012

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MaDalton
                              still there when you choose Mastercard
                              yup. Wow, what assholes. Biting some of the hands that feed them.
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                              • BIGTYMER
                                Junior Achiever
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 17066

                                #16
                                Nice move by CCBill. Getting money from the producer and the thief.

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                                • Harmon
                                  ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ)
                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 20012

                                  #17
                                  CCBill LLC is the designated E-ticket Supplier, Payment Processor, and Access Management Provider for FF Magnat Limited, [www.oron.com].
                                  Content Provided By: FF Magnat Limited, HK
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                                  • lucas131
                                    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
                                    • Aug 2004
                                    • 11475

                                    #18
                                    btw crybabies, wow, this is something really fucking new, i dont even know if i want to wake up tomorrow, wow, wow, end of the fucking porn world ... fuck

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                                    • DWB
                                      Registered User
                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 31779

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by BIGTYMER
                                      Oron is the worst... We ALL have less money in our pockets thanks to them.
                                      Indeed they are.

                                      It boggles my mind that the processor I've used for almost 10 years is now processing for a site that gives away my content AND blocks my IP after I send them a DMCA to remove it.

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                                      • SwirlsGirl
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Feb 2006
                                        • 2067

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Harmon
                                        Let's just say that if anything goes down, payment processing will follow. Somebody is funding this illegal shit, and it isn't me.

                                        Good luck to all of the cunt bags involved.

                                        Drop CCBill immediately. Show them what's up. They know what is happening. They don't care. Well, at least they will not care until they are forced to show up in a court of law and play fucking dumb.

                                        These threads prove that they know what is happening. Fucking cunts.
                                        There is no Insult level in the adult community anymore.

                                        I would wager that those ORON join forms are seeing 95% form submissions percentages daily.... but I could be wrong

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                                        • MaDalton
                                          I am Amazing Content!
                                          • Feb 2004
                                          • 39861

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Harmon
                                          irony at its finest
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                                          • Roald
                                            SecretFriends.com
                                            • May 2001
                                            • 27910

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by MaDalton
                                            still there when you choose Mastercard
                                            Confirmed, missed it



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                                            • DWB
                                              Registered User
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 31779

                                              #23
                                              Dear CCbill, just in case you want to play like you don't know what goes on over at Oron.com, THIS is the crap you are processing for now (lolita porn and lolitas having sex with animals - a direct violation of your terms, as well as Visa and Master Card):







                                              I beg you, please drop Oron immediately. I do not want to lose my billing because you get caught up in beast sex and child porn billing problems with Visa and Master Card. And I'm sure I can speak for all of your clients when I say that.

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                                              • macker
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jul 2003
                                                • 2161

                                                #24
                                                Bump!

                                                Why is it that in the adult industry things that would be totally unacceptable in any other industry get swept under the carpet and forgotten about?

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                                                • Dirty D
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                                                  • May 2002
                                                  • 4044

                                                  #25
                                                  Bump for an answer from CCbill.

                                                  Supporting thieves, child porn and bestiality is not good for MasterCard and CCbill

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                                                  • selena
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                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                    • 7995

                                                    #26
                                                    Wow.

                                                    And to think that I always liked promoting CCBill sponsors because the company seemed more trustworthy.

                                                    I really feel for the site owners that are using them for processing while CC Bill cashes in on the theft of the same site owner's content.
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                                                    • BIGTYMER
                                                      Junior Achiever
                                                      • Nov 2004
                                                      • 17066

                                                      #27
                                                      Is it just me or does it feel like CCBill is on autopilot lately?

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                                                      • Harmon
                                                        ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ)
                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                        • 20012

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by BIGTYMER
                                                        Is it just me or does it feel like CCBill is on autopilot lately?
                                                        Not just you.
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                                                        • Major (Tom)
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                          • 32492

                                                          #29
                                                          Wow. Well on the bright side at least we know many transactions aren't going through.
                                                          I bet if Mr C was still around none of this shit would be happening
                                                          ds

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                                                          • shake
                                                            frc
                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                            • 4663

                                                            #30
                                                            Talk about biting the hand that feeds you
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                                                            • Harmon
                                                              ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ)
                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                              • 20012

                                                              #31
                                                              I am in the process of reporting them to the cyber police for processing this.
                                                              [email protected]

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                                                              • Roald
                                                                SecretFriends.com
                                                                • May 2001
                                                                • 27910

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by DWB
                                                                .....
                                                                I beg you, please drop Oron immediately. I do not want to lose my billing because you get caught up in beast sex and child porn billing problems with Visa and Master Card. And I'm sure I can speak for all of your clients when I say that.
                                                                This is what I dont get about these threads? Why would you risk your business and not move on right away? I mean if it really upsets you why not act to it?
                                                                Last edited by Roald; 06-06-2012, 09:43 AM.


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                                                                • Harmon
                                                                  ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ)
                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                  • 20012

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Roald
                                                                  This is what I dont get about these threads? Why would you risk your business and not move on right away?
                                                                  They have been doing this forever. It's just now, people have a lot of time to investigate, that they are being called out.
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                                                                  • BIGTYMER
                                                                    Junior Achiever
                                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                                    • 17066

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Roald
                                                                    This is what I dont get about these threads? Why would you risk your business and not move on right away? I mean if it really upsets you why not act to it?
                                                                    Why move? We were here first. Boot oron!

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                                                                    • Roald
                                                                      SecretFriends.com
                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 27910

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by BIGTYMER
                                                                      Why move? We were here first. Boot oron!
                                                                      Money talks is what comes to mind.

                                                                      PS look at it from the bright side, CCbill scrubs pretty well so less people get access to Oron ;))


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                                                                      • spunky99
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                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                        • 3462

                                                                        #36
                                                                        since its only mastercard processing im guessing they signed up and got approved without anyone noticing who they were. hopefully ccbill will do the right thing and kill their account

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                                                                        • DWB
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 31779

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Roald
                                                                          This is what I dont get about these threads? Why would you risk your business and not move on right away? I mean if it really upsets you why not act to it?
                                                                          It's not that easy. We currently have a CCbill based affiliate system. If it was just a matter of changing them in a cascade, they would have been dropped already. Our organic traffic always goes to another biller, but CCbill handles our affiliates which is still a decent portion of our sales.

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                                                                          • DWB
                                                                            Registered User
                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                            • 31779

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by spunky99
                                                                            since its only mastercard processing im guessing they signed up and got approved without anyone noticing who they were. hopefully ccbill will do the right thing and kill their account
                                                                            I also hope this is the case and they quickly kill the account.

                                                                            Love them or hate them, CCbill has always been regarded as a honest and solid company. Processing for sites like oron throws that reputation out the window.

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                                                                            • AZNNC
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                                              • 592

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Speaking of CCBill, anyone able to pull stats from any other day than today? I cant!

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                                                                              • Roald
                                                                                SecretFriends.com
                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                • 27910

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by DWB
                                                                                It's not that easy. We currently have a CCbill based affiliate system. If it was just a matter of changing them in a cascade, they would have been dropped already. Our organic traffic always goes to another biller, but CCbill handles our affiliates which is still a decent portion of our sales.
                                                                                Hey im not saying changing billing is easy, and trust me as an affiliate I hate it when programs do it. ;)


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                                                                                • selena
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                  • 7995

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by spunky99
                                                                                  since its only mastercard processing im guessing they signed up and got approved without anyone noticing who they were. hopefully ccbill will do the right thing and kill their account
                                                                                  Would Mastercard only processing mean that the site wasn't inspected like they normally are for CCBill approval?

                                                                                  I'm not asking sarcastically. I am asking because I don't know.

                                                                                  I was always under the impression that what they approved was gone over with a fine-toothed comb. Recently another thread was discussing a financial domination site that someone planned to use CCBill as a processor for. The screencap showed the girl holding money, and another site owner...DWB maybe?....commented that he'd had that idea kicked to the curb before by CCBill.
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                                                                                  • mikesouth
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                    • 6334

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I think CCBill is going to do the right thing as well...its hard to move a giant sometimes but enough people can get it done....hopefully all we have to do is wake em up....

                                                                                    Kudos to DWB for shining a light on this
                                                                                    Mike South

                                                                                    It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                                                                                    • candyflip
                                                                                      Carpe Visio
                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                      • 43070

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by DWB
                                                                                      Indeed they are.

                                                                                      It boggles my mind that the processor I've used for almost 10 years is now processing for a site that gives away my content AND blocks my IP after I send them a DMCA to remove it.
                                                                                      Because they know you're probably not going anywhere. Or are you?

                                                                                      Spend you some brain.
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                                                                                      • DWB
                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                                        • 31779

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Roald
                                                                                        Hey im not saying changing billing is easy, and trust me as an affiliate I hate it when programs do it. ;)
                                                                                        Yea, it's a pain, but this is the sort of thing that puts a fire under my ass to move faster to have more options.


                                                                                        Originally posted by selena

                                                                                        I was always under the impression that what they approved was gone over with a fine-toothed comb. Recently another thread was discussing a financial domination site that someone planned to use CCBill as a processor for. The screencap showed the girl holding money, and another site owner...DWB maybe?....commented that he'd had that idea kicked to the curb before by CCBill.
                                                                                        Yes, they flagged me several times in the past for showing the model being paid at the end of the shoot. They said it was prostitution, which was not allowed. In their world, models work for free. I wish that was true, but my argument was that our model release, and probably yours too, states "in considering for" in regards to them being paid for their work. They said it was a violation of Visa's rules. However, you will find Visa processing for EVERY "teens for cash" type site on the internet. Oh well.

                                                                                        The irony of it all is, those scenes (which are older with the money), I delete from Oron a few times a month, so CCbill is billing for those scenes anyway, only CCbill gets paid, Oron gets paid, but I get fucked on the very content that CCbill said violates their terms.

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                                                                                        • Robbie
                                                                                          Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                          • 20960

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          As some of you may know...CC Bill replied to this situation over on XBiz. It ain't pretty folks:

                                                                                          "Really?

                                                                                          CCBill has always stood up against piracy and maintain high ethics in our business.

                                                                                          But our business is as a high-risk payment processor - that is what we do. And with that, we strictly adhere to all the same legal guidelines that you adhere to and we require our merchants using CCBill to adhere to the same guidelines.

                                                                                          As I have discussed with both Dominic and Peter of PornGuardian, we understand your concerns. If you believe a website using CCBill for processing is violating your copyrighted content, and they are not addressing your concerns, contact our CCBill DMCA agent of record directly, so that we can proceed to notify our Client and address this issue quickly and aggressively.

                                                                                          There is a direct line for your complaints and solid process for DMCA on the CCBill website at: http://www.ccbill.com/cs/dmca.html.

                                                                                          Gary
                                                                                          CCBill"
                                                                                          -Robbie
                                                                                          ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                          • signupdamnit
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                                                            • 6697

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Fuck it, time to work only on Mainstream going forward. I had a record overall $ month in May 2012 with CCBill but the business as a whole isn't viable when the largest processor is openly processing for the biggest pirates. Don't get me wrong I'll leave my sites up. I have nice search engine ranks and they make money. But there's no sense in building anymore in this industry unless I'm prepared to be a pirate and steal content too.

                                                                                            I'm going to look into moving some of my servers too. I don't think I want to keep supporting CCBill if they do this. I went with them because I trusted them and thought they were a solid company. I wanted to support a good American company rather than go with a cheaper overseas host. Little did I know.
                                                                                            Last edited by signupdamnit; 06-06-2012, 10:36 AM.

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                                                                                            • selena
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                              • 7995

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                              As some of you may know...CC Bill replied to this situation over on XBiz. It ain't pretty folks:

                                                                                              "Really?

                                                                                              CCBill has always stood up against piracy and maintain high ethics in our business.

                                                                                              But our business is as a high-risk payment processor - that is what we do. And with that, we strictly adhere to all the same legal guidelines that you adhere to and we require our merchants using CCBill to adhere to the same guidelines.

                                                                                              As I have discussed with both Dominic and Peter of PornGuardian, we understand your concerns. If you believe a website using CCBill for processing is violating your copyrighted content, and they are not addressing your concerns, contact our CCBill DMCA agent of record directly, so that we can proceed to notify our Client and address this issue quickly and aggressively.

                                                                                              There is a direct line for your complaints and solid process for DMCA on the CCBill website at: http://www.ccbill.com/cs/dmca.html.

                                                                                              Gary
                                                                                              CCBill"
                                                                                              Again, not asking sarcastically...simply seeking knowledge...

                                                                                              is processing lolita beastiality within the legal guidelines that they adhere to?
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                                                                                              • Fat Panda
                                                                                                Porn is Dead. Move along.
                                                                                                • Aug 2006
                                                                                                • 13296

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                ccbill is a fucking disgrace to this industry. stuck in the 1990s yet they process for shit like this. unreal. adult is dead, glad I saw the writing on the wall years ago and mainstream is now ~80% of my revenue

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                                                                                                • raymor
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 3745

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                  As some of you may know...CC Bill replied to this situation over on XBiz. It ain't pretty folks:

                                                                                                  "Really?

                                                                                                  CCBill has always stood up against piracy and maintain high ethics in our business.

                                                                                                  But our business is as a high-risk payment processor - that is what we do. And with that, we strictly adhere to all the same legal guidelines that you adhere to and we require our merchants using CCBill to adhere to the same guidelines.

                                                                                                  As I have discussed with both Dominic and Peter of PornGuardian, we understand your concerns. If you believe a website using CCBill for processing is violating your copyrighted content, and they are not addressing your concerns, contact our CCBill DMCA agent of record directly, so that we can proceed to notify our Client and address this issue quickly and aggressively.

                                                                                                  There is a direct line for your complaints and solid process for DMCA on the CCBill website at: http://www.ccbill.com/cs/dmca.html.

                                                                                                  Gary
                                                                                                  CCBill"
                                                                                                  Time to send CCBill a few thousand DMCA notices and see if they still think this is a good idea.
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                                                                                                  • signupdamnit
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2007
                                                                                                    • 6697

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by SAC
                                                                                                    ccbill is a fucking disgrace to this industry. stuck in the 1990s yet they process for shit like this. unreal. adult is dead, glad I saw the writing on the wall years ago and mainstream is now ~80% of my revenue
                                                                                                    I had my best month with CCBill ever last month but doing something like this basically cements the fact that the pay site industry is done for. I would be almost retarded to keep putting effort in promoting sponsors as an affiliate when the processor billing the transactions is at the same time billing for the largest pirate sites on the web. I feel even more sorry for the sponsors running pay sites. It's got to suck to pay 15% of each transaction to someone who is billing for the people who are responsible for decimating your business. Even worse is if they start scrubbing YOU harder to cover increased volume for Oron.

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