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  • CamTata
    So Fucking Banned
    • Dec 2011
    • 75

    #51
    Originally posted by gideongallery
    an exclusive right to make copies of something is not a property right

    Copyright takes away normal property rights that would normally exist for something (content) and replaces them with licences


    If i buy a chair i don't have to ask the chair manufacture for permission to use that chair in any way i want.

    I could even use it as a model to design a replacement chair.

    Copyright takes those normal property rights away and replaces it with a permission based system.


    so you are the one who is actually arguing against property rights when you argue for copyright.

    You want us to believe that there are no individual achievements in this world. Everything is made possible by some nebulous free/fair use society and its self appointed ambassadors. Of course, it is no mystery why. Once your ilk acknowledge that individuals create wealth (hence property, both tangible and intangible) it?s amazingly more difficult to justify seizing and redistributing it for the public good.

    If you believe in the concept of private property, which I am sure you do if you actually own anything, then you have to believe in copyright. Copyrights are the legal implementation of all property rights: a person?s right to the product of thei mind. The government does not bestow a grant or copyright, in the sense of a gift; government merely secures the inherent property rights of the creator; certifies, if you will, the origination of the idea and protects the creator?s right of use and disposal.

    Obviously you consider patents and copyrights as equivalent; they are not. The difference lies in their legal enforcement. Copyrights have their root in prosecution of the implicit pilfering of intellectual property. If you independently create a dvd similar to mine, I must prove you had access to my work to have my rights upheld. With patent, if you create my chair you are guilty of infringing my rights, ignorance of my existing and current patent, unintentional or not, is not a defense. Merely because you purchase the physical chair design does not imply that you acquire full rights to disassemble, analyze, reengineer and distribute the chair commercially. Your statement is factually and legally incorrect.

    The significant difference between real property (the chair) and copyright (dvd) is that the chair is a obviously a tangible object, and is easily understood by our senses. A dvd is the physical object which embodies my intellectual property, it's intangible and more difficult to conceptualize. You may physically own the dvd I sold you and are free to use or dispose of it as you see fit. You do NOT however own the intellectual property encoded on that dvd.

    You continue to state copyright is a limitation of ALL property rights. That is bullshit. Without any authority protecting my interests and the interests and livelihoods of all creators, the motivation to develop such a works decreases dramatically. Like ALL property rights, the copyright places limitations on those who do NOT own (or create) intellectual property.

    Copyright is the mechanism by which I can exercise MY property rights. The limitation is on you and your ilk who would pilfer my property rights. If this is a limitation on your rights to freely distribute my copyrighted intellectual property encoded on that dvd, I?m ok with that and I think the vast majority of our society is as well.

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    • CamTata
      So Fucking Banned
      • Dec 2011
      • 75

      #52
      Again, rare 16th century etchings, interested, gideon?

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      • epitome
        So Fucking Lame
        • Jun 2009
        • 12156

        #53
        Originally posted by gideongallery
        stealing = you don't have it anymore

        copying = you still have it now



        btw the supreme court says that copyright infringement is not stolen


        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling...d_States_(1985)

        pps.

        so you arguing to protect an industry that can't survive without government protection
        you should commit a war crime.
        You are an intuitive one Mr. Gideon.

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        • signupdamnit
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2007
          • 6697

          #54
          Originally posted by gideongallery
          an exclusive right to make copies of something is not a property right

          Copyright takes away normal property rights that would normally exist for something (content) and replaces them with licences


          If i buy a chair i don't have to ask the chair manufacture for permission to use that chair in any way i want.

          I could even use it as a model to design a replacement chair.

          Copyright takes those normal property rights away and replaces it with a permission based system.


          so you are the one who is actually arguing against property rights when you argue for copyright.
          I actually agree with some of what you say. Believe it or not I'm kind of one of those old school intenet hippies who believes "Information wants to be free". But where I draw the line is when someone else is profiting from it. It's one thing for a person to use a chair they bought however they wish or for a surfer who paid for a porn membership to rip the site for their own personal enjoyment but it's another for the industry scumbags to make millions from the theft of other's content. The latter is many times worse.

          For the most part these people you are defending aren't "internet hippies" who think "Information wants to be free". They are big time corporate scumbags making millions a year who are pushing small businesses consisting of ordinary people out by directly profiting from their hard work being stolen. That's all it really is. If you took away their profit do you think Manwin would still be keeping their sites up? Of course not. They are in it for the money not to make information free or some other noble quest. These people aren't heroes fighting for the "little people". Quite the contrary. They are huge major corporations now pushing independent operators out by making their hard work worth pennies on the dollar. They are basically profiting from theft and they aren't Robin Hoods as you seem to imply at times.
          Last edited by signupdamnit; 06-02-2012, 11:36 AM.

          You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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          • Dirty Dane
            Sick Fuck
            • Feb 2004
            • 9491

            #55
            Still angry because you got gay porn instead of your favorite TV show?

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            • gideongallery
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              • Aug 2003
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              #56
              Originally posted by CamTata
              You want us to believe that there are no individual achievements in this world. Everything is made possible by some nebulous free/fair use society and its self appointed ambassadors. Of course, it is no mystery why. Once your ilk acknowledge that individuals create wealth (hence property, both tangible and intangible) it?s amazingly more difficult to justify seizing and redistributing it for the public good.
              Open source creates wealth for people too
              red hat did a billion dollars in sales.
              copyright control is not necessary to create wealth

              That like saying that because i believe that the sun is not up in the air at night i therefore believe the sun doesn't exist at all

              If you believe in the concept of private property, which I am sure you do if you actually own anything, then you have to believe in copyright. Copyrights are the legal implementation of all property rights: a person?s right to the product of thei mind. The government does not bestow a grant or copyright, in the sense of a gift; government merely secures the inherent property rights of the creator; certifies, if you will, the origination of the idea and protects the creator?s right of use and disposal.
              you would need a separate law then,
              Copyright is granting of special rights that violate the normal property rights of the buyer with licencing right

              The reason being to create an incentive to innovation that will ultimately benefit the public when the term of copyright expires

              Obviously you consider patents and copyrights as equivalent; they are not. The difference lies in their legal enforcement. Copyrights have their root in prosecution of the implicit pilfering of intellectual property. If you independently create a dvd similar to mine, I must prove you had access to my work to have my rights upheld. With patent, if you create my chair you are guilty of infringing my rights, ignorance of my existing and current patent, unintentional or not, is not a defense. Merely because you purchase the physical chair design does not imply that you acquire full rights to disassemble, analyze, reengineer and distribute the chair commercially. Your statement is factually and legally incorrect.
              was not talking about patent vs copyright

              i was talking about property rights vs copyright

              If your too stupid to understand the difference here is a clear example

              i can buy toilet paper and use it to for it intended purpose
              but if i want to cut it up and reuse it in another way like say


              i don't have to ask P&G for permission to do so

              That property rights once i aquire the property it mine to do with

              copyright is different as you acknowledged in your twisted example.

              The significant difference between real property (the chair) and copyright (dvd) is that the chair is a obviously a tangible object, and is easily understood by our senses. A dvd is the physical object which embodies my intellectual property, it's intangible and more difficult to conceptualize. You may physically own the dvd I sold you and are free to use or dispose of it as you see fit. You do NOT however own the intellectual property encoded on that dvd.
              the content is on the disk, i buy the disk to have the content. If you gave me just the disk with no content on it i would not buy it from you for the inflated price i can buy blank disks for 25 cents.

              I am buying the content but i don't own the content i am buying

              That the point normal property rights would give me ownership and the right to do what ever i want to with that purchased i"property"

              copyright creates a secondary "licience" condition

              i basically need to buy a "licience" to view it , another to copy it and so on and so on.


              You continue to state copyright is a limitation of ALL property rights. That is bullshit. Without any authority protecting my interests and the interests and livelihoods of all creators, the motivation to develop such a works decreases dramatically. Like ALL property rights, the copyright places limitations on those who do NOT own (or create) intellectual property.
              copyright grants a right to the creator not to the owner of the property.

              That the point property rights grant a right to the owner, you transfer property rights
              1 way by selling the property to the new owner period.

              Copyright creates all kinds of additional options by selling licences

              licences are not property transfers (as you so clearly pointed out with your twisted example)



              Copyright is the mechanism by which I can exercise MY property rights. The limitation is on you and your ilk who would pilfer my property rights. If this is a limitation on your rights to freely distribute my copyrighted intellectual property encoded on that dvd, I?m ok with that and I think the vast majority of our society is as well
              nope it the way you limit the normal property rights of the buyer

              I don't have a problem with copyright as long as you respect fair use

              you agreed to give away all rights to prevent anyone from doing anything that is fair use in exchange for the control when it is not.

              That exactly what the subject to clause means.

              “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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              • gideongallery
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                • Aug 2003
                • 7082

                #57
                Originally posted by signupdamnit
                I actually agree with some of what you say. Believe it or not I'm kind of one of those old school intenet hippies who believes "Information wants to be free". But where I draw the line is when someone else is profiting from it. It's one thing for a person to use a chair they bought however they wish or for a surfer who paid for a porn membership to rip the site for their own personal enjoyment but it's another for the industry scumbags to make millions from the theft of other's content. The latter is many times worse.
                at least get the quote right

                On the one hand information wants to be expensive, because it's so valuable. The right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information wants to be free, because the cost of getting it out is getting lower and lower all the time. So you have these two fighting against each other
                For the most part these people you are defending aren't "internet hippies" who think "Information wants to be free". They are big time corporate scumbags making millions a year who are pushing small businesses consisting of ordinary people out by directly profiting from their hard work being stolen. That's all it really is. If you took away their profit do you think Manwin would still be keeping their sites up? Of course not. They are in it for the money not to make information free or some other noble quest. These people aren't heroes fighting for the "little people". Quite the contrary. They are huge major corporations now pushing independent operators out by making their hard work worth pennies on the dollar. They are basically profiting from theft and they aren't Robin Hoods as you seem to imply at times.

                sony sold there betamax for 1k each when they first came out

                fair use is profitable

                never said it wasn't

                I teach people how to profit by being fair use friendly, i couldn't do what i am doing if there was no money in it.

                “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                • Robbie
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                  #58
                  This is really sad. All I see are a bunch of posts by gideongallery on "ignore"

                  He is not in our industry.
                  He has ZERO reason to post here.
                  He has never even posted ONE business thread or ONE goofing off thread.
                  EVERY post he has ever made on GFY is about stealing and pro-piracy.

                  Gideon...you really need to get some help. This is obviously a desperate cry for help from you. As much as you are disliked here, I don't think anyone wants to see you hurt yourself. But man, all the symptoms you are displaying are of a man in a DEEP depression.

                  Please get some help. I don't want you to do anything crazy and end up dead at your own hand. And that is where you are heading if you don't get some help soon.

                  This is a textbook case of a man crying out for attention. And it always leads to suicide.

                  Please man. It may seem bleak to you now, but the world is actually a beautiful place. You CAN find your place in it.

                  But first, you are going to have to try to stand up and walk away from your computer and go see a psychiatrist and get yourself some help. Please. Before it's too late.
                  -Robbie
                  ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                  • signupdamnit
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                    • Aug 2007
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by gideongallery
                    at least get the quote right
                    What quote do you think I have wrong?




                    sony sold there betamax for 1k each when they first came out

                    fair use is profitable

                    never said it wasn't

                    I teach people how to profit by being fair use friendly, i couldn't do what i am doing if there was no money in it.
                    What are you doing exactly? Can you show me?

                    You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                    • Robbie
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                      • Aug 2002
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by signupdamnit
                      What are you doing exactly? Can you show me?
                      He's not doing anything.

                      That's the problem. This is a man who needs help badly. He has a lot of delusional though processes going on and I'm really afraid that he will do something to himself if he doesn't get professional help soon.
                      -Robbie
                      ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                      • papill0n
                        Unregistered Abuser
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 15547

                        #61
                        Originally posted by Robbie
                        He's not doing anything.

                        That's the problem. This is a man who needs help badly. He has a lot of delusional though processes going on and I'm really afraid that he will do something to himself if he doesn't get professional help soon.

                        dont listen to him gideon

                        you are fucking worthless and beyond help you thieving mother fucking piece of shit

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                        • CamTata
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                          • Dec 2011
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                          #62
                          gideon you are a FUCKING IDIOT ESL student plain and simple. Go ahead pilfer my content, I dare you. I promise upon my last breath I WILL knock on your door and provide an intense education on intellectual rights and fair use of rock hard objects. Rectal exams optional depending upon my mood.

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                          • Robbie
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                            #63
                            Originally posted by papill0n
                            dont listen to him gideon

                            you are fucking worthless and beyond help you thieving mother fucking piece of shit
                            We need to show compassion to gideongallery.

                            Yes, it's true that on first look (and second and third) gideongallery DOES appear to be nothing more than a "thieving motherfucking piece of shit"

                            But when you realize that he posts on GFY incessantly and has NEVER made any kind of post that wasn't pro-stealing, pro-piracy. And then you take into account that he is hated by most and ignored by many....

                            That's when you realize that this poor man needs help. I believe that with the proper mental help and medications he could actually become a productive member of society and finally get a job and move out of his parent's home.

                            But it's gonna take all of us being kind and gentle to him and try to get through to him past his delusional fog.
                            -Robbie
                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                            • papill0n
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                              #64
                              Originally posted by Robbie
                              We need to show compassion to gideongallery.

                              Yes, it's true that on first look (and second and third) gideongallery DOES appear to be nothing more than a "thieving motherfucking piece of shit"

                              But when you realize that he posts on GFY incessantly and has NEVER made any kind of post that wasn't pro-stealing, pro-piracy. And then you take into account that he is hated by most and ignored by many....

                              That's when you realize that this poor man needs help. I believe that with the proper mental help and medications he could actually become a productive member of society and finally get a job and move out of his parent's home.

                              But it's gonna take all of us being kind and gentle to him and try to get through to him past his delusional fog.

                              well youre a lot more optimistic than me robbie

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                              • gideongallery
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                                • Aug 2003
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                                #65
                                Originally posted by Robbie
                                He's not doing anything.
                                then care to explain why you didn't take the bet

                                I offeredt o show everyone here the solution if you agreed to put your content into the public domain if you used it.

                                If what i said didn't work you would use

                                If what i said worked you still would not suffer unless you tried to take it.


                                And yet you still refuse to take the bet.

                                “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                • CamTata
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                                  #66
                                  No Robbie the only thing that will actually assist him is a rectal exam by Girth Brooks

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                                  • gideongallery
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                                    #67
                                    [QUOTE=signupdamnit;18983103]What quote do you think I have wrong?


                                    On the one hand information wants to be expensive, because it's so valuable. The right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information wants to be free, because the cost of getting it out is getting lower and lower all the time. So you have these two fighting against each other

                                    information want to be free is only half of a quote the real quote is above and posted in the previous post too.



                                    What are you doing exactly? Can you show me?
                                    sure i would be happy to just pay my fee and i will show you exactly what to do.

                                    “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                    • Robbie
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                                      • Aug 2002
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                                      #68
                                      Today, 03:00 PM
                                      gideongallery
                                      This message is hidden because gideongallery is on your ignore list.

                                      Wow...this is just sad. Gideon, I know that you know that I have always made you my bitch on GFY (as did thedoc and many, many others)...but now I realize that instead of having a laugh at the insanely stupid things you say and then tearing you to shreds in every argument, I need to take pity on you instead.

                                      So I'm begging you. Please walk away from the computer. Have your parents drive you to a mental clinic and get you checked in.

                                      Yes, it may take some years of therapy. But I do believe that one day you can finally join society and even get a job.

                                      And when that day happens...I promise to come to the McDonald's you are working at and let you take my order. It will be a proud day indeed!

                                      But right now, it's important that you get some help. I do not want to see you desperately putting a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger like so many have done in the past who showed your symptoms.
                                      -Robbie
                                      ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                      • epitome
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                                        • Jun 2009
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                                        #69
                                        Gideon quotes all of us. Can we DMCA his posts with quotes in their entirety and get him gone that way? ;-)

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                                        • Robbie
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                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by epitome
                                          Gideon quotes all of us. Can we DMCA his posts with quotes in their entirety and get him gone that way? ;-)
                                          If it would help him to get his life straightened out I would.

                                          But for some reason, Theo at AVN hasn't gotten around to BANNING gideongallery for not being in our industry. (yes I know that 99% of the people on here fall in the same category, but gideon has openly admitted it in the past)

                                          I think the best thing would be for Theo to realize that banning gideongallery for life would be the best thing he could do to HELP gideongallery and probably stop GG from committing suicide as his mental issues are getting worse with each post he makes on GFY
                                          -Robbie
                                          ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                          • Robbie
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                                            #71
                                            I don't believe in God. But I'm going to pray for you gideongallery.
                                            -Robbie
                                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                            • CamTata
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                                              #72
                                              btw gideon how do you like torrentflux?

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                                              • Robbie
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                                                #73
                                                I'm going to go out to my pool, kick back in my jacuzzi with an ice cold beverage and ponder how to best help gideongallery.
                                                I urge the rest of you to do the same.

                                                Just remember, while we live lives of wealth and luxury from years of hard work...he lives in the basement of his parents house in pure filth from years of doing nothing at all.

                                                We need to get him some mental help soon.
                                                -Robbie
                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                • CamTata
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                                                  #74
                                                  Dr Who Dreamland fan gideon? LOL

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                                                  • garce
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                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by epitome
                                                    This argument is getting ridiculous. The US should stop doing business with any country that will not honor our property rights...
                                                    No offense, but the U.S. abandoned that option when it started doing business with China and sucking oil-filled Saudi cock. The U.S. literally has no choice but to do business with countries that openly laugh at not only your property rights ( a VERY minor consideration), but your laws - and even the very Constitution that your country was built upon.

                                                    Disagree? Have your government openly tell China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan (et al) to fuck off and eat shit. That oughta work out well...

                                                    The only option the U.S. has left open to it is to play the "big bad bully" and go after private citizens, foreign nationals, and smaller corporations and companies. The U.S. will NEVER go after big international interests or multinational corporations, let alone any foreign government that's not already an ally. Allies will agree to many of your requests. Ask Pakistan or China for the odd concession, though.

                                                    Anyone from China could literally reproduce anything produced in the States and sell it right back to you without repercussion. Cars will be coming soon enough. You can already buy Chinese made pre-fab houses.

                                                    The only people who'll get busted are the poor idiots selling the bootleg DVDs and BluRays at flea markets, the small businesses importing toys covered in lead based paints, or the pretentious idiots hosting files uploaded by the general public. The manufacturers of these products will continue - for the most part - to keep producing the shit and selling it right back at you.

                                                    A major exception is dog food. Its ok to kill people with dangerous products. Don't fuck with our dogs, though... Seriously. Don't fuck with my dog.

                                                    And its no different in Canada. Every minute Canada sends more money to "nations" that should not even be allowed to exist than any of us will make in a year. The federal government is the single largest employer in this country. Anyone who thinks that THAT's a good thing should be shot.

                                                    The world is fucked and everyone is too busy kissing ass and arguing over irrelevant shit to fix it. I love The United States of America, but your politicians are too busy arguing about God and gay marraige to fucking realize that the whole Empire is done.

                                                    Canada, on the other hand, will be fine as long as it continues to tax its citizens to death (gotta pay for those golden bureaucratic pensions and benefits somehow!), and as long as we continue to allow DeBeers and other multinationals to freely suck every last resource out of the depths of this once great country.

                                                    Without the U.S. bailing us out, we're going to end up a massive, very cold version of Haiti. Barren, dead, and starving. A couple hundred years, tops. Then we'll have nothing left. No diamonds. No oil. No seals. No trees. No fish. No taxpayers.

                                                    No point.

                                                    TL;DR

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                                                    • epitome
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                                                      #76
                                                      Oh garce, I figured the or let's just nuke them was an indication of my sarcasm.

                                                      I didn't tl;dr but I did skim.

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                                                      • epitome
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                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                                        I don't believe in God. But I'm going to pray for you gideongallery.
                                                        You been talking to hahahahahahahahaha lately? :-)

                                                        edit: oh triple X church is a banned word but Donny can play here. Oh the irony.

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                                                        • Robbie
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                                                          #78
                                                          CamTata, that's a nice pic in your avatar.

                                                          Kinda reminds me of a guy named Aaron...but I can't quite put my finger on it...
                                                          -Robbie
                                                          ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                          • Robbie
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                                                            #79
                                                            This is kinda interesting:
                                                            -Robbie
                                                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                            • CamTata
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                                                              #80
                                                              hehe

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                                                              • CamTata
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                                                                #81
                                                                Are there any tutorials on how to torrent?

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                                                                • Robbie
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                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by CamTata
                                                                  Are there any tutorials on how to torrent?
                                                                  I don't know...but maybe that guys name in the upper right hand corner of that diagram would be some kind of clue...
                                                                  -Robbie
                                                                  ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                  • CamTata
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                                                                    #83
                                                                    leaner, meaner, faster

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                                                                    • CamTata
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      you know when you start turning rocks you find some odd stuff

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                                                                      • CamTata
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        and im finding plenty

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                                                                        • CamTata
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                                                                          #86
                                                                          hmm all the way back to 2003 interesting...

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                                                                          • CamTata
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                                                                            #87
                                                                            looks like our fair use aficionado is or was a child porn spammer:

                                                                            http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=140529

                                                                            (envelope-sender <[email protected]>)
                                                                            for <MY EMAIL ADDRESS>; 6 Jun 2003 19:14:32 -0000
                                                                            Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:35:34 GMT
                                                                            From: Gomes Fasikop <[email protected]>
                                                                            To: MY EMAIL ADDRESS
                                                                            Message-ID: <[email protected]>
                                                                            Subject: NEW LOLITAS SITES !

                                                                            Hi, dear drochers...
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                                                                            There are many lolitas photos never seen before
                                                                            More than 30 nude childrens...

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                                                                            • Robbie
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                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                              • 20960

                                                                              #88
                                                                              WOW! That is fucked up.

                                                                              Looks like GideonGallery has even more mental issues than I thought.
                                                                              -Robbie
                                                                              ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                              • Robbie
                                                                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                • 20960

                                                                                #89
                                                                                That piece of evidence should probably be mailed to the people at Akira. I'm not sure that they are aware of the activities of their employee GideonGallery on GFY
                                                                                -Robbie
                                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                • CamTata
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Dec 2011
                                                                                  • 75

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Looks like he is trying to hide now. Information was updated 42 minutes ago

                                                                                  REGISTRY WHOIS FOR JACQUESWEB.COM
                                                                                  Domain Name: jacquesweb.com
                                                                                  Updated: 42 minutes ago - Refresh

                                                                                  Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
                                                                                  Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
                                                                                  Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
                                                                                  Status: clientDeleteProhibited, clientRenewProhibited, clientTransferProhibited, clientUpdateProhibited

                                                                                  Expiration Date: 2015-03-25
                                                                                  Creation Date: 2001-03-25
                                                                                  Last Update Date: 2012-04-09

                                                                                  Name Servers:
                                                                                  ns1.go-dedicated.com
                                                                                  ns2.go-dedicated.com
                                                                                  See jacquesweb.com DNS Records

                                                                                  Information Updated: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 02:17:05 UTC
                                                                                  JACQUESWEB.COM SITE INFORMATION
                                                                                  IP: 174.120.103.210
                                                                                  Website Status: active
                                                                                  Server Type: Apache/2.2.21 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.21 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635

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                                                                                  • Robbie
                                                                                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                    • 20960

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by CamTata
                                                                                    Looks like he is trying to hide now. Information was updated 42 minutes ago
                                                                                    Well thank goodness I already have his full name and address (just in case anyone would like to see that in a private email)
                                                                                    -Robbie
                                                                                    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                    • CamTata
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Dec 2011
                                                                                      • 75

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Registrant has been removed yet someone failed in changing all of the data:

                                                                                      Registrant:
                                                                                      none

                                                                                      1577 glengarry ave
                                                                                      london, Ontario n5x 1r2
                                                                                      Canada

                                                                                      Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
                                                                                      Domain Name: JACQUESWEB.COM
                                                                                      Created on: 25-Mar-01
                                                                                      Expires on: 25-Mar-15
                                                                                      Last Updated on: 09-Apr-12

                                                                                      Administrative Contact:
                                                                                      jacques, savio [email protected]
                                                                                      none
                                                                                      1577 glengarry ave
                                                                                      london, Ontario n5x 1r2
                                                                                      Canada
                                                                                      (519) 438-7813

                                                                                      Technical Contact:
                                                                                      jacques, aaron [email protected]
                                                                                      1477 glengarry ave
                                                                                      london, Ontario n5x 1r2
                                                                                      Canada
                                                                                      (519) 438-7813

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                                                                                      • Robbie
                                                                                        Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                        • 20960

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Oops! Now I guess everyone knows...he still hasn't figure out how to do simple tasks on the internet. Guess he's been too busy stealing shit on the web to learn how to actually use it.

                                                                                        He likes to claim to be a programmer. Yet made failed attempts to create websites using Front Page and a WINDOWS server!!! LOL!

                                                                                        What kind of fucking programmer has EVER used a Windows server! lol

                                                                                        Looks like Duane got all the brains in that family. Cause Aaron ain't too bright. (but that's been obvious from his rantings on GFY)
                                                                                        Last edited by Robbie; 06-02-2012, 07:11 PM.
                                                                                        -Robbie
                                                                                        ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                        • kane
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                          • 20684

                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          You can always follow him on twitter at http://twitter.com/#!/aaronjacques

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                                                                                          • CamTata
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Dec 2011
                                                                                            • 75

                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Originally posted by kane
                                                                                            You can always follow him on twitter at http://twitter.com/#!/aaronjacques
                                                                                            yes you can or cyber squatting on a few porn girl names

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                                                                                            • CamTata
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Dec 2011
                                                                                              • 75

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              melissarigby.com
                                                                                              nikibelucci.com
                                                                                              samantharyan.com

                                                                                              Lost:
                                                                                              amymiller.com
                                                                                              nikitablonde.com

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                                                                                              • The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                Living The Dream
                                                                                                • Jun 2009
                                                                                                • 19780

                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Gideon Gallery is Canadian?

                                                                                                Explains everything. :D
                                                                                                My Affiliate Programs:
                                                                                                Porn Nerd Cash | Porn Showcase | Aggressive Gold

                                                                                                Over 90 paysites to promote!
                                                                                                Now on Teams: peabodymedia

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                                                                                                • Half man, Half Amazing
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Feb 2008
                                                                                                  • 372

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Since information does want to be free...here's some more information on Gideon:

                                                                                                  http://whois.domaintools.com/adultholiday.com
                                                                                                  Here's his IP: 108.174.25.202
                                                                                                  Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.

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                                                                                                  • gideongallery
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                                                    • 7082

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by CamTata
                                                                                                    looks like our fair use aficionado is or was a child porn spammer:

                                                                                                    http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=140529

                                                                                                    (envelope-sender <[email protected]>)
                                                                                                    for <MY EMAIL ADDRESS>; 6 Jun 2003 19:14:32 -0000
                                                                                                    Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:35:34 GMT
                                                                                                    From: Gomes Fasikop <[email protected]>
                                                                                                    To: MY EMAIL ADDRESS
                                                                                                    Message-ID: <[email protected]>
                                                                                                    Subject: NEW LOLITAS SITES !

                                                                                                    Hi, dear drochers...
                                                                                                    I found most HOT and semi-legal site in world!

                                                                                                    There are many lolitas photos never seen before
                                                                                                    More than 30 nude childrens...
                                                                                                    you know spoof an email address is easy

                                                                                                    just change the reply to address in you email client.

                                                                                                    Deliberately ignoring the host header information that proves this really didn't ever come from my mail server to fraudlently accuse me distributing kiddie porn is slander and a violation of the forum rules.

                                                                                                    “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                                                                                    • gideongallery
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                      • 7082

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                      This is kinda interesting:
                                                                                                      3 year diploma
                                                                                                      2 year diploma
                                                                                                      1 year certificate
                                                                                                      3 credit short of 2 additional diploma

                                                                                                      all in 3 years part time because of my previous experience/aptitude
                                                                                                      when you can do that get back to me.


                                                                                                      Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                      Oops! Now I guess everyone knows...he still hasn't figure out how to do simple tasks on the internet. Guess he's been too busy stealing shit on the web to learn how to actually use it.

                                                                                                      He likes to claim to be a programmer. Yet made failed attempts to create websites using Front Page and a WINDOWS server!!! LOL!
                                                                                                      setup windows with front page extensions to test a custom build front page module i coded.







                                                                                                      What kind of fucking programmer has EVER used a Windows server! lol
                                                                                                      Server & Tools: $4.6 billion, up 14 percent from $4.1 billion a year earlier.

                                                                                                      http://betanews.com/2012/04/19/micro...-60-cents-eps/


                                                                                                      Looks like Duane got all the brains in that family. Cause Aaron ain't too bright. (but that's been obvious from his rantings on GFY)
                                                                                                      Duane smarter then me, i will admit that

                                                                                                      he has a double masters and getting a PHD.

                                                                                                      but i got 9 years worth of diplomas in 3 years. so i am no slouch either.

                                                                                                      And compared to a hilly billy who idea of innovation is copying Wayne's world in porn

                                                                                                      The offer to show all GFY the 5 step process that is designed to turn your piracy problem into boon that the vcr was to movie industry

                                                                                                      And all you had to do was agree to put your content into the public domain IF YOU USED IT.

                                                                                                      The only way you would lose your content would be if the process was so fucking great that it put all your current shit in the toliet.

                                                                                                      And you still won't take the bet.

                                                                                                      rather then settle it once and for all you digging around in my past and jumping into every thread i start.

                                                                                                      seriously sad

                                                                                                      “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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