LOL the difference between California and Louisiana

Ok time for a new page.

oh yeah this is definetly on the same level as Katrina, your interstate was shut down for a few hours and your inner city is not affected.

I would love to see a police car go into your "hood" and tell people they need to leave, they would probably shoot at the police car... you people need to get off your high horse that you people are so much smarter and more educated than us. I would love to see how you inner city poor reacted if they were told to leave the hood. How do you say " run! fire!" in spanish ?

tsunami.

Much more destruction, and in 3rd world countries, but they're getting their shit together...but a bunch of crackers down in the parish still out craw deadin'

Oh btw, I'm taking my fat snubbed ass out on the town with friends...so I'll be back to check on you puppets later.

Crackalackin' mother fucking crackah!

oh snap....Lenny and Will got teh snubz

you are one idiot mother fucker. congrats to you, you seem to work hard at being one.

Will, now you are making assumptions. Just because the network news focused on the multi-million dollar homes and neighborhoods, doesn't mean that there weren't lower-middle and poor neighborhoods affected by mandatory evacuations. Many of the areas in the heart of the fire zone (east of San Diego) are poor areas, and they evacuated as well.
I've already said that most of the comparisons being made in this thread are stupid because situations aren't comparable.
I just hope you're not saying that poor people in an inner city are exempt from common sense.
(And I also happen to know people with plenty of money who refused to evacuate NO because "they weren't leaving their homes" - generalizations can work both ways.)

just heard the are closing Qualcomm and kicking out the people there so they can get it ready for the Charges game. Man things must be serious over there.

You lost me, what are you suggesting?

no but i am saying poor people who live in the ghetto of an inner city will act the same as they do in New Orleans as they do in SD. period.

When you start busing the inner city poor to Qualcomm and those people hold tea parties and finger paint, then you can tell me that people in SD act better than the people who did at the superdome. Until then you right there is no comparison. Poorer subburbs = people who can at least afford transportation. You can't compare that to the inner city poor ghettos.

Originally posted by will76

equally devastating.... property loss = 1,000s dead.


how stupid can you people be.

not as stupid as you, apparently.

Just because the media played over and over a handfull of clips of people looting a store doesnt mean all the people who were stuck in new orleans were looting and stealing TVs.


How you guys managed to hold yourself under those conditions escapes me, those are some tough conditions at your evacuation center. Watching MNF and spending the night in a tent, wow. Thats major. I don't know how the national guard and police present managed to keep order. We should learn from the example you people set under such harsh conditions.... TV, buffets / food, bands playing, watching MNF.... wow! thats rough.


SAN DIEGO - Like hurricane Katrina evacuees two years earlier in New Orleans, thousands of people rousted by natural disaster fled to an NFL stadium to wait out the calamity as they worried about the fate of their homes.

The similarities ended there, however, as an almost festive atmosphere reigned at Qualcomm Stadium.

Bands belted out rock ’n’ roll, lavish buffets served gourmet entrees, and massage therapists helped relieve the stress of those forced to flee their homes because of wildfires.

"The people are happy. They have everything here," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared Monday night after his second Qualcomm tour.

Although anxieties ran high, the misery index seemed low as the celebrity governor waded through the mob. Scarcely a complaint was registered with him.

"Oooh, I got a picture!" shrieked Olivia Beard of Ocean Beach, one of hundreds who pressed toward Schwarzenegger with camera phones snapping.

The fires destroyed some 500 homes and 100 businesses in San Diego County, the greatest swath of destruction in a string of Southern California blazes that began Sunday.

Of the more than 250,000 people forced from their homes, volunteer co-ordinators estimated that 10,000 took shelter at Qualcomm, home of the San Diego Chargers. Others camped out in hotels, with friends and family and in other shelters scattered throughout the city.

With the stadium housing evacuees, the Chargers were flying to Arizona on Tuesday to practise at the Arizona Cardinals’ headquarters for the rest of the week. The team is scheduled to host Houston on Sunday, but said it was too early to know how the fires would affect that game.

At Qualcomm, thousands of tents, many set up by relief organizations, provided temporary roofs, while hundreds of people slept on open-air cots. Some elderly evacuees were housed in stadium club boxes.

Aggressive efforts by disaster response officials to bring supplies helped ensure civility. A heavy police contingent and National Guard troops with automatic weapons stood by just in case.

The New Orleans evacuees had dragged themselves through floodwaters to get to the Louisiana Superdome in 2005, and once there endured horrific conditions without food, sanitation or law enforcement.

But these evacuees drove to the expansive parking lots in the San Diego suburbs. The worst that most endured in their exodus was heavy traffic and smoky haze.

Several said they had narrowly escaped devastating fires in 2003 and shrugged off the inconveniences of sleeping at a stadium.

"You have to deal with it, right?" said Ashwani Kernie, who, along with six family members, had been evacuated from his Rancho Bernardo home.

"You can deal with it, or you can whine about it," he said while erecting a tent in Qualcomm’s parking lot, as temperatures hovered comfortably in the low 20s Celsius.

Still, there was widespread anxiety about the fates of homes and belongings left behind. Many had packed up hastily as flames approached.

"They’re scared, they’re sad, they’re losing their homes. They just want to relax and go to sleep," Megan Malan, a massage therapist, said as she rubbed the back of a man wearing a firefighter’s T-shirt.

She had little in the way of material goods to offer to the victims, so she provided her professional services, for free, to nervous evacuees.

Television sets hung from the rafters for the benefit of football fans, but on this evening, it was anything but "Monday Night Football" that drew their interest.

Hundreds sat in the stands watching the sets, transfixed as news programs broadcast images of destruction. Among them was Bruce Fowler, whose home in the Scripps Ranch neighbourhood had survived fires in 2003.

"Every couple of years, you don’t want to go through this worry," Fowler said, sipping a root beer. "I never thought I’d be in a place like this, getting handouts."

Most people seemed happy for the free food and drink. A Hyatt hotel catered one buffet, offering chicken with artichoke hearts and capers in cream sauce, jambalaya and shredded-beef empanadas.

Ester Francis, 90, clutched her cane as her son set up a pair of cots next to a large trash bin.

She does not know what she’ll return to when the smoke clears, but said she was grateful for the generosity of strangers. Qualcomm did feel something like a party, she said.

"Everyone’s so friendly," Francis said. "I guess it’s making us all feel secure at a time when we all feel so insecure."

what bitch? i pointed out to all you fucking morons that are saying this is the same as katrina that you are about 1597 deaths short and 130K destroyed homes of this even coming close to being the same thing.

I wasn't at the Superdome or in NO and I'm not presuming to make assumptions about what happened there.
Neither of us were at Qualcomm and can't say definitively what happened there - but I can say definitively (because I was watching the local coverage, not the national coverage) that it was not filled to the brim with rich people who held tea parties and whose children finger painted. There plenty of people of all races and socio-economic backgrounds (including, shall we say, legal residents of Mexico) there, many just sleeping, crying or quietly sitting with their families.

And I have work to catch up on, which I am now returning to - I think this thread speaks for itself.

Originally posted by will76

oh yeah this is definetly on the same level as Katrina, your interstate was shut down for a few hours and your inner city is not affected.

I would love to see a police car go into your "hood" and tell people they need to leave, they would probably shoot at the police car... you people need to get off your high horse that you people are so much smarter and more educated than us. I would love to see how you inner city poor reacted if they were told to leave the hood. How do you say " run! fire!" in spanish ?

well, first off - you need to learn to spell - DEFINETLY does NOT equal definitely....even my firefox retardo spellchecker knows that. so if my "high horse" is being educated enough to spell in english properly....i'm hoping *everyone* gets on that horse.

incidentally, when did shooting a police officer become equal to being so smart? i don't think anyone said that. ever.

Last I saw on the news it was 1500 total homes destroyed. 500K people evacuated.

That's like 1/10th of the total homes destroyed by Katrina.

Not to mention how stupid it is to compare a fire to a flood.

Ms South Carolina called, she said to stop you're embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by will76

what bitch? i pointed out to all you fucking morons that are saying this is the same as katrina that you are about 1597 deaths short and 130K destroyed homes of this even coming close to being the same thing.

uh, i'm sorry smallcock (aka SMALLEST COCK EVER IS WILL76's), i can't hear you. it must be your miniscule size...why the FUCK are you making ANY comparisons at all? devastation is devastation. regardless. downplaying anyone's tragedy is a pretty low thing to do. but since you know that .....wait, what do you know? oh right...that katrina (which i did an entire fundraiser for that you likely did not contribute to) is more of a tragedy than what's going on in socal... that's what *you* KNOW. you must be God because i'd like to know how you get to judge people in crisis and put them on a scale otherwise.

try spreading some love with all of this energy, it might actually help.

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

Ms South Carolina called, she said to stop you're embarrassing yourself.

call her back and tell her to have her brain re-implanted.

funny that everyone expects the government to save them. there was a time in this country when self reliance and community was what saved them.. now this country is just reduced to a bunch of turds pointing fingers, placing blame and doing everything under the sun EXCEPT accepting responsibility.

there was a time when common sense was common. when people would learn the hard way that areas burn every year, that tornados happen every year or that floods come every year and those aren't great places to live and raise a family.

we keep fucking with darwinism and the result is a dumber and more helpless population acting dumber and more helpless by the day.

totally sucks that this country is sooo full of pussies that no one can speak the truth without being called a racist. people in NO acted exactly like how they were expected to act... a bunch of low income, uneducated poverty stricken people looting, raping and killing. even the police were. why? because thats what poor idiots with no sense of morality, ethics and personal responsibility do. thats how uneducated and irresponsible people act. just like LA riots wtih black people rioting and "protesting" (according to some) by destroying black neighborhoods and black businesses.

during Katrina, even liberals in the media couldn't help themselves by repeatedly commenting on the issue in N.O. with remarks like "well... this is about what we expect from these people".

the culture of SD and the affected areas is far different than that of inner city, N.O. people in affluent areas or mexican immigrants and labor aren't spending their days thinking of where to steal shit, whose chain to snatch and raping some little girl... and given the chance, they don't start acting that way because thats not a part of what and who they are to begin with...

but god forbid we start comparing their behavior to that of N.O. inner city blacks. that would just be cruel and racist... because after all, if you don't subscribe to the idea that we are all inherently good, inherently intelligent and inherently equal in every way and accept that the only distinguishing characteristics between people are those who are "advantaged" and "dissadvantaged" then your racist.

at least his cock is real.

¡Corra! el fuego!

Have you read any of the posts in this thread? Most important point made is that there is no comparison between the fires in San Diego and the Hurrican in Katrina. Both disasters. Different ball parks in terms of scope.

Not sure if you noticed genius but the person who started this thread is the one making the comparison....along with all the other idiots in here agreeing with him.

Will and I have been arguing that you can't compare the two.


Someone really needs to take their meds.

Does any more need to be said? Are the differences not blatently obvious?

In fairy tale land, people act civilized after a week without cops, food, or water.

werd

Amazing...... simply amazing

*most people did evacuate during Katrina*

However, some citizens, tourists, and thugs stayed behind due to ignorance, circumstance, or to take advantage. The thugs got most of the air time being that they were out in the open, indifferent, and were there simply to rob stuff from flooded stores. I don't know anything about the social/economic/ethnic/racial make-up of the area effected in San Diego but maybe they would act similarly if the stores and everything in them wasn't ablaze, there wasn't any law enforcement present for days, rescue teams were nowhere to be found, and they didn't risk losing face for being caught stealing (assuming they're of a different class: "hey, I saw my dentist on the news pimping a TV from a Walmart!").

It's been said before that the murders, rapes, and cannibalism claims were either unsubstantiated, exaggerated, or pure fabrications (with no hard stats to the contrary at least posted here). Yes, some people acted uncivilized in the Superdome. Yes, N.O. had a crime problem before Katrina and the displaced criminal gangs started shooting each other in the new cities they made home. Yes, the minority of citizens of N.O. who remained in the city shouldn't be so depedant and take more responsibility for themselves.

If any good came of it, maybe it's that some people in San Diego took heed of warnings to get out after seeing what happened to people in Katrina who didn't (for whatever their reasons).

All that being said, the comparisons between the disasters is like comparing apples to oranges.

will, geez. I have been to New Orleans often enough. I have driven the roads in and out of there (and pretty much all around).

Driving 20 minutes wasn't a case of "go 20 minutes and stop", but had they gotten just about 10 miles north or 10 miles west north west, they would have been about 10000 times easier to "rescue". New Orleans flooded, and not much else did. That short drive alone would have drastically changed the end results of the disaster of New Orleans.

But for that to happen, the Mayor would have had to of woken up and used those school buses to move people out. People would have actually had to make a plan and do something. People would have actually had to leave their homes. Proof is that many, many people never left their homes and had to be rescued off the roof, while their cars (with gas in the tank) slowly flooded out in their front yards.

What would the long term effects have been of them leaving earlier instead of later? In the end, it doesn't matter what the next step would be, you have to do one thing before the next. Just sitting on your ass and waiting for "the man" to come save you isn't fucking useful at all. You save yourself as much as you can and get a hand up at the end.

As for the numbers, take this for what it is worth (from wikipedia, sorry):

Near as I can figure, there was 42,000 + 25,000 + more... so 100k left in town sounds about right, maybe even low. That would suggest that 1 in 5 people didn't leave town.

But hey, apparently I don't know a thing on this issue, so there you go.

you are right you dont know shit. The metro area has over 1 million residents, not counting tourists which could be thousands as well. Many people out side of "new orleans" who stayed were also transported to the superdome. I know people personally who were 30 miles to the southeast of the city who were resuced just to be transported to the superdome, that seemed to be common proceedure in some areas.

Drive just 10 miles north you say? well that kind of hard to do when the lake alone is about 25 miles wide and just north of the lake was distoryed and flooded as well.

NO New Orleans wasn't the only area flooded, the majority of Jefferson Parish was flooded from rain and because the pumps failed.

How do people who have no cars get in a car and drive 20 mins to make their chances of rescue better?

So you have been here a few times, great. You must know more than me about these things. Silly me i thought you were basing you knowledge off of those UK and AU news paper reports. But since you've been here you know exactly how things work in hurricane.

Many of the cars that were left where second and third cars in a family. Christ you are thick, just because cars were left in town doesnt mean that people who owned them stayed here. Everyone I know left cars in their drive way when they evacuated. Cars are insured, the roads are so jammed as is, why sit in traffic for 20 hours with 2 cars when your family can get in 1. Some families own 5 cars some own ZERO. the people who had extra cars weren't going around town giving them away to the people who didn't have any.

So whats your point? I've lost the point you trying to make because everything you say is completly wrong. I've said all along I don't feel bad for the people who had a choice to leave but most who stayed did not have a choice. Most, not all.

BTW, your math is wrong. there is no 42K + 25k. They said there was 30K people in the dome on sept 1st. They then say by Sept 3rd 42K people were evacuated from new orleans. That includes the 30K from the dome plus (i assume 12K from roof tops and other areas of the city like the convention center). 30K werent evacuated and then another 42K.. It was 42K total. And some of those 42K came from other areas not just the city, like i said pretty much 1 million people in the metro area you had at most 50K people who stayed.

But you keep reading wikipedia and watching the media, and add that with your couple trips here and you right, you know more about this than me, silly me.

What's your problem with foreign press? Many consider the BBC a reliable source.

If you know so much about New Orleans why do you seem to be unaware that it was, is and will always be a shithole? You should move to a better city, like Detroit.

Will, you win. I won't go on and on. Obviously, all the people of New Orleans did their very best to evacuate, they took care of themselves, they were polite to others, and the looting and fires that followed were caused by the same evil gremlins that appear in those car insurance commercials.

SHeesh.

Alex here is your " get in your car and drive 20 mins to safty idea".

20 - 35 mins to the west of new orleans:

The breach on the 17th Street Canal levee caused mostly insevere street flooding within Jefferson Parish. But some lower lying areas did receive significant water damage, especially on the East Bank.
By one week after the storm, residents were allowed to return to their homes to retrieve essentials, provided that they could present identification proving that they lived in the parish. They were only allowed in to retrieve essential items, and were then required to leave the parish for another month.


45 mins north of the city:

On Tuesday, August 30, St. Tammany Parish announced that the parish was closed, and asked residents who had evacuated not to return until further notice.There was no electricity or water service anywhere in the parish. Gas leaks were reported parish-wide. Hospitals are running on generators and are at capacity. Ambulance services are only responding to life-threatening emergencies.Hurricane Katrina destroyed 4,652 St. Tammany houses and caused major damage to 9,353 houses in the parish.



great idea. I dont know why everyone didnt take your advice.

yeah thats what i am saying you fucking idiot... you know thats not what i am saying. I said people didn't rape and murder people in the dome, that vast majority of deaths were from drawning and not murders, that the vast majority of looting was for food and water. I dont care if you saw the same video 1000 times of people looting tvs and shit, it doesnt mean it happened 1000 times, jsut that the media played the shit out of it. I said there were bad applees in all cities etc.. You seem to generalize everyone, you simply just dont understand why ANY one stayed when they could have got in their car are drove 20 mins to safty. Its not that simple, especially for the thousands who dont own cars. You dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

please keep going on telling me what happened here. You seem to know so much about it. Did you get all that info from your livingroom? How many hurricanes have you been through, how many houses did you lose to Katrina, how many times have you evacuated new orleans because of a hurricane?

This would be like me telling someone who lived in downtown NYC what happened in the city during 911 because i've been there a couple times (which I have) and because i watched the news. Stop acting like you know what the fuck happened here and dont know what the fuck you talking about.

because they base their reports off of some wanker who was on vacation here, never been through a hurricane before, pissed in his pants when he saw that many black people in one area, etc... goes home and brags and rants and raves to his friends and they print it as fact. 1. He has nothing to base this off of, he knows nothing about the area and I am sure he is going to sansationalize his accounts. How his life was " in danger" but he was brave and fended off the mass of animals who were "giving him mean looks". I think i will take what i have seen over what some news paper from another country is telling me had happened.


im done, you people are so fucking ignorant its not even funny. I am going to read some news paper articles about your town and argue with you that everything you know about it was wrong. fucking idiots. im done.

dumb cunt, i dont need god to tell me that you guage disastores but a little common sense like 1. deaths, 2. property loss (houses destroyed and total $$ damage.) is probably a logical start.

Unless it is measured by trees losts, then that brush fire in Socal isn't 1% of the disastor Katrina was.


or do you mean the people sitting at Qualcom with their gourmet buffet, free massages, MNF on tv, bands playing compares to people stuck in a building for 5 days with no ac, 95 degree heat, no SEWERAGE (try sleeping on a floor where 25K people have been pissing and shitting), very little food, etc.. you right who am i try to judge who had it more worse off.

Will, did the doctor change your meds or something? You posts have "asshole" written all over them today.

The funny thing is I find you funny.

Do you ever find me getting involved in one of your threads? NO, you know why? Because you DON'T MATTER to me.

However I seem to be on your mind an awful lot.

But while I got you in MY sandbox to play MY game, I'll enjoy myself.

Oh snap, you got DESNUBBED

Just a little post traumatic stress syndrome from Katrina triggered by the ignorance in this thread.

i would text my assistant and ask her to look it up on google. then i'd icq baddog just to double check.

It pays to be a native Californian.

what planet were you on,,,,,,, or what newscasts was you watching,,

how can you not compare,, so you saying people in neworleans were third class citiezens, they were blue collar, or middle class... so they couldnt get the help they needed, who give s you the right to choose..yes both situations were devastating, and my heart goes about to californians and new orleans, they are americans,,

wow,,,, have you been poor,, have you been without,,, have you lived in a neighborhood where most of the people dont have a car.. some of those people have never been out of the project housing complex... most people in new orleans had no where to go,,,,and have been through numerous hurricanes, who to think this one wouldnt turn out like the others....put yourself in there shoes before you start making dumb ass statements..