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  • wehateporn
    Promoting Debate on GFY
    • Apr 2007
    • 27176

    #1

    How to get a Refund from a Scumbag Company

    I was recently trying to a get a refund (out of principle) from a well known company, one of the biggest on the Internet, it was for my Dad, he'd had his card banged for $200 despite having already uninstalled the software.

    1. Nice friendly email = FAIL

    2. Nice friendly letter to CEO = FAIL

    3. Go around 10 of the largest and most relevant Internet forums writing "CompanyName is a SCAM", then post a message in their official forum displaying my hard work in front of all of their customers, with links to all of the places I've been posting = REFUND

    I don't like having to do things that way, but sometimes it's the only way.
    Last edited by wehateporn; 05-08-2012, 03:55 PM.
  • candyflip
    Carpe Visio
    • Jul 2002
    • 43069

    #2
    Chrageback.

    Spend you some brain.
    Email Me

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    • wehateporn
      Promoting Debate on GFY
      • Apr 2007
      • 27176

      #3
      Originally posted by candyflip
      Chrageback.
      It was about a year after the event by the time he mentioned it. I assumed it was too late for chargebacks

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      • Juicy D. Links
        So Fucking Banned
        • Apr 2001
        • 122992

        #4
        What do you mean by "already uninstalled the software."

        I am a bit confused...

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        • wehateporn
          Promoting Debate on GFY
          • Apr 2007
          • 27176

          #5
          Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
          What do you mean by "already uninstalled the software."

          I am a bit confused...
          He was subscribing yearly for some software, he uninstalled it, then emailed them to cancel, he assumed that it was cancelled at that point, nobody replied to the email. He's a dinosaur, but the company deliberately made it complex for him to cancel.

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          • papill0n
            Unregistered Abuser
            • Oct 2007
            • 15547

            #6
            yeah sounds about right

            i mean theres no chance you and your dad are at fault is there

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            • wehateporn
              Promoting Debate on GFY
              • Apr 2007
              • 27176

              #7
              Originally posted by papill0n
              yeah sounds about right

              i mean theres no chance you and your dad are at fault is there
              He's an old dinosaur, which makes him vulnerable, but at the same time he's paid for something that he hasn't had installed, so they should be willing to refund him if they are fair. If not I like to make sure that they lose hundreds times more in future sales than they would have had to pay back. I manufacture karma

              Though I know you're just trollin, the main point for all who are reading is that this technique has worked against one of the biggest companies out there, one well known for not giving refunds
              Last edited by wehateporn; 05-08-2012, 05:05 PM.

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              • DBS.US
                Geo Cities
                • Aug 2003
                • 11841

                #8
                With all these webmasters not getting paid by different programs it's funny nobody does this to them.
                Have an unused domain? Make a Free Chaturbate White Label site and be making money tonight

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                • wehateporn
                  Promoting Debate on GFY
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 27176

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DBS.US
                  With all these webmasters not getting paid by different programs it's funny nobody does this to them.
                  It's a relatively small community, many people shy away from it, but when they do speak out I certainly appreciate it

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                  • lagcam
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 2890

                    #10
                    You forgot something:

                    4. Go back to those 10 largest and most relevant Internet forums where you wrote "CompanyName is a SCAM", then post a message and say "Sorry I was mistaken, they have refunded me and actually are not scammers, but good people as although like normal business people they continue to rebill until a customer completes the cancellation process, they still refund 1 year later when it is somewhat crudely brought to their attention that a customer's son is unhappy....."

                    I wonder how many people here would have refunded you if this had have been a porn rebill........
                    Working Cam site for sale - NOT affiliate.

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                    • wehateporn
                      Promoting Debate on GFY
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 27176

                      #11
                      If the check clears for my father, I will update the threads to say that a refund was eventually given.

                      Originally posted by lagcam
                      You forgot something:

                      4. Go back to those 10 largest and most relevant Internet forums where you wrote "CompanyName is a SCAM", then post a message and say "Sorry I was mistaken, they have refunded me and actually are not scammers, but good people as although like normal business people they continue to rebill until a customer completes the cancellation process, they still refund 1 year later when it is somewhat crudely brought to their attention that a customer's son is unhappy....."

                      I wonder how many people here would have refunded you if this had have been a porn rebill........

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                      • papill0n
                        Unregistered Abuser
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 15547

                        #12
                        Originally posted by wehateporn
                        He's an old dinosaur, which makes him vulnerable, but at the same time he's paid for something that he hasn't had installed, so they should be willing to refund him if they are fair. If not I like to make sure that they lose hundreds times more in future sales than they would have had to pay back. I manufacture karma

                        Though I know you're just trollin, the main point for all who are reading is that this technique has worked against one of the biggest companies out there, one well known for not giving refunds
                        no im not trollin im rollin


                        name the company and exactly what happened

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                        • wehateporn
                          Promoting Debate on GFY
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 27176

                          #13
                          Originally posted by papill0n
                          no im not trollin im rollin


                          name the company and exactly what happened
                          Prefer not to, they're worth $Billions, but it's not about the story, just about the technique and the fact it works; sharing valuable tips

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                          • ErectMedia
                            Confirmed Chicago Pimp
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 7100

                            #14
                            T-Mobile was trying to fuck me, filed a BBB claim and Big shot called me and squared shit up.

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                            • moeloubani
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 4235

                              #15
                              but at the same time he's paid for something that he hasn't had installed, so they should be willing to refund him if they are fair
                              Don't see the logic in this? If you buy a DVD and hold onto it for a year should you be allowed to take it back if you didn't watch it? Of course not. A sale is a sale.

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                              • wehateporn
                                Promoting Debate on GFY
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 27176

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ErectMedia
                                T-Mobile was trying to fuck me, filed a BBB claim and Big shot called me and squared shit up.
                                Good work! Always nice to hear of more people fighting back, and hence making it less worthwhile for these companies to pull this shit

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                                • TurboAngel
                                  H.B.I.C.
                                  • Jun 2003
                                  • 30122

                                  #17
                                  If you had come with this to GFY 1st it would have been taken care of faster.

                                  ;)

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                                  • wehateporn
                                    Promoting Debate on GFY
                                    • Apr 2007
                                    • 27176

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by moeloubani
                                    Don't see the logic in this? If you buy a DVD and hold onto it for a year should you be allowed to take it back if you didn't watch it? Of course not. A sale is a sale.
                                    He tried to cancel via email, they had this in their records. They have a special page hidden away for cancellation, takes a while to track it down.

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                                    • Juicy D. Links
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Apr 2001
                                      • 122992

                                      #19
                                      Rosetta Stone?

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                                      • wehateporn
                                        Promoting Debate on GFY
                                        • Apr 2007
                                        • 27176

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by TurboAngel
                                        If you had come with this to GFY 1st it would have been taken care of faster.

                                        ;)
                                        haha..the Power of GFY

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                                        • bpluva
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Apr 2011
                                          • 235

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by ErectMedia
                                          T-Mobile was trying to fuck me, filed a BBB claim and Big shot called me and squared shit up.
                                          Did the same shit and my free promotional flat screen was in the mail a week later...go BBB!

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                                          • wehateporn
                                            Promoting Debate on GFY
                                            • Apr 2007
                                            • 27176

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                            Rosetta Stone?
                                            Someone else, but I heard they are bad with this too

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                                            • TurboAngel
                                              H.B.I.C.
                                              • Jun 2003
                                              • 30122

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by wehateporn
                                              haha..the Power of GFY
                                              It's true!


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                                              • epitome
                                                So Fucking Lame
                                                • Jun 2009
                                                • 12156

                                                #24
                                                This reminds me of two times I got my way by not giving up.

                                                Maybe a half dozen years ago, I noticed the Sprint bill jumped by almost $10 for no reason. Buried in the bill was mention of a new tax. I figure no way, I'd have heard about this. I called Sprint, they say it's a new federal fee/tax and nothing they can do. I call T-Mobile and they say they never heard of it.

                                                Call Sprint back and say I want out of my contract because others aren't charging it. They tell me the others will soon, it's real.

                                                I call the FCC, they've never heard of it and opened a case. I called the FTC, they've never heard of it and opened a case.

                                                Call Sprint back and tell them what I did. Nothing.

                                                Call the investigative reporter of the news station, who happened to be a tenant of mine. He calls them. Next thing you know, executive response team is calling me; their general counsel is looking into it.

                                                A few days later they call and say it was a "limited error" and bills will be corrected and I'm allowed out of my contract. No thank you (of course not). I still don't know if Sprint had to refund for millions of customers or a few.

                                                Fast forward a few years...

                                                Bank of America is dicking me around. I can't get anywhere calling.

                                                I have a gay news blog that is indexed by Google News, so it looks like it's pretty big to the unassuming eye.

                                                I find the email address of their VP of communications. I email her explaining how the bank is wrong or a story is going on my extremely popular site.

                                                She emails back within 10 minutes saying expect a call from someone in the CEO's office. Someone in the CEO's office calls 10 minutes later from a blocked number.

                                                Problem immediately fixed, extra money put in my account for all of the trouble I had to go through.

                                                There's another story similar to the Bank of America one with a smaller regional bank. Branch manager wouldn't budget. I tracked down the email address of the executive assistant of the CEO. She immediately fixes my problems.

                                                Always try to go to the top if you can. It's easier than you think.

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                                                • wehateporn
                                                  Promoting Debate on GFY
                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                  • 27176

                                                  #25
                                                  Nice work epitome! I'll need to get myself a news blog for the future, I like that idea

                                                  With other companies in the past when I wrote to CEO's the problems were always immediately sorted, but this one was different, so I took the nuclear option

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                                                  • livexxx
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • May 2005
                                                    • 1201

                                                    #26
                                                    sounds like you've now spent more than $200 of your time chasing it. life is too short, tell your dad you sorted it , give him $200
                                                    http://www.webcamalerts.com for auto tweets for web cam operators

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                                                    • wehateporn
                                                      Promoting Debate on GFY
                                                      • Apr 2007
                                                      • 27176

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by livexxx
                                                      sounds like you've now spent more than $200 of your time chasing it. life is too short, tell your dad you sorted it , give him $200
                                                      You're right that it wasn't worth it for $200. I have this thing where if ever I feel like a company is cheating me (or my family) I ensure that I cause it damage in a perfectly legal way, I'm trying to ensure that their negative energy comes back and chips away at them. I don't want to encourage them by making it too easy to get away with treating people badly, it's just a moral thing, doing my bit to make the world a better place.

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                                                      • travs
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                        • 1631

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by livexxx
                                                        sounds like you've now spent more than $200 of your time chasing it. life is too short, tell your dad you sorted it , give him $200
                                                        fastest and best way I guess

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                                                        • epitome
                                                          So Fucking Lame
                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                          • 12156

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                          Nice work epitome! I'll need to get myself a news blog for the future, I like that idea

                                                          With other companies in the past when I wrote to CEO's the problems were always immediately sorted, but this one was different, so I took the nuclear option
                                                          You have to actually keep it up though. That blog hundreds of new posts that looked like actual articles with a few new one's each day with different "authors" (aka me)... it looked very legit, even had a semi-custom newspaper theme.

                                                          I couldn't figure out how to monetize it enough and let the domain expire, but it looked cool as fuck.

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                                                          • epitome
                                                            So Fucking Lame
                                                            • Jun 2009
                                                            • 12156

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by livexxx
                                                            sounds like you've now spent more than $200 of your time chasing it. life is too short, tell your dad you sorted it , give him $200
                                                            Sometimes it's about principle if you or someone you love is getting fucked.

                                                            You care more about the satisfaction than the money.

                                                            Can't let it always be the case but sometimes it's fun to fuck with people back.

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                                                            • astronaut x
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • May 2011
                                                              • 4844

                                                              #31
                                                              I remember back in the day, we got a vcr. My dad never did know how to use it. He would try to tinker with it and end getting all frustrated.
                                                              Things got all out of control when he tried shoving his credit card in it.
                                                              Hello

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                                                              • scottybuzz
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • May 2006
                                                                • 14799

                                                                #32
                                                                You go to Mcdonalds, buy a cheese burger, it gets made for you and you decide not to eat it. should you get a refund? No...

                                                                On the other hand you should have 28 days (at least in the EU) to decide if you want your purchase or not so I am stuck on this one.
                                                                $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

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                                                                • u-Bob
                                                                  there's no $$$ in porn
                                                                  • Jul 2005
                                                                  • 33063

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                  On the other hand you should have 28 days (at least in the EU) to decide if you want your purchase or not so I am stuck on this one.
                                                                  only applies to "remote sales" (internet, phone, stranger at your door) and (under the new EU directive) it doesn't apply to digital goods (downloads).

                                                                  </for the sake of completion>

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                                                                  • DWB
                                                                    Registered User
                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                    • 31779

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I had to do exactly that to get 30k from First Data from an old (non-adult, offline) merchant account. All other avenues failed (chased them for 2 years) until I hit the internet with their agents names, email and phone numbers and details of the situation. A couple of weeks later they paid me.

                                                                    Those companies do read the complain forums. Hammer the shit out of them if someone is screwing you and you are in the right.

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