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  • foulfowl
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    • Feb 2003
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    #1

    Prostitution vs. Pornography

    I've been shooting photos of hookers for over 10 years now. I've always figured if caught I'd just chalk it up as a loss and keep it moving. Actually been trying to transition from dealing with crackheads for 5 years now, but I have a following with quite a few loyal customers. It's guaranteed money, so why stop. Besides, it's my own personal fetish. It isn't really even about the money to me at this point. I make enough to live on and get my thrills travelling. Most importantly, I just enjoy what I do.

    I got busted last week while shooting a girl I've shot photos of many times before. The officers had a good time looking at all the footage on my cameras. Especially the tranny scenes. Thought they'd just give them back to me with a ticket and let me go. Nope, they confiscated my cameras and refuse to return them to me until I pay for the release of my car from impound. The cameras and car where confiscated separately. So, I contacted an attorney and he says because I was shooting porn, they violated my 1st ammendment rights. I'm not looking for legal advice here. I'm just wondering if anyone thinks the lawyer is just trying to get a quick grand from me. Is it even possible to win? At this point I'm trying to decide to fight or just pay the impound lot $900 bucks and move on. It's an old car, I've got others so transportation isn't an issue.

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    • Dirty F
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      • Jul 2001
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      #2
      I doubt anybody has a clue what you are talking about. I certainly don't.
      Last edited by Dirty F; 04-29-2012, 01:09 PM.

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        • iSpyCams
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            • foulfowl
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              • Feb 2003
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              #4
              Nah, I have an attorney. I'm just curious what others think of pornography involving prostitutes. Lawyer could just be hyping me up. I don't wanna waste my time.

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                • Dirty F
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 59204
                  #5
                  What you mean you got busted? How? By whom and for what?

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                    • SuckOnThis
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                      • Oct 2003
                      • 6844
                      #6
                      What does the fact that they are hookers have to do with anything? Is there any contracts signed? Cops try to figure out any way to steal peoples shit, I would much rather spend a grand on a lawyer than to give it to them.

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                        • Brujah
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                          • Jan 2001
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                          #7
                          Did you get some kind of charge related to prostitution?

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                            • AaronM
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                              • Oct 2001
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                              #8
                              If they will give you your shit back when you pay the $900 for your car then WTF are you doing even considering a lawyer who's fees are going to start at a grand?

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                                • foulfowl
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                                  • Feb 2003
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                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Dirty F
                                  What you mean you got busted? How? By whom and for what?
                                  Undercover officers were patrolling an area while I was shooting stills and video of a chick stripping for one of my websites. She happens to be a prostitute with a lengthy record. No shit. I'm not in any kind of trouble. They just confiscated my cameras and impounded my car. I'm told I can get it all back by paying their fee. Lawyer says bullshit. They should've never stopped me while shooting. They violated my 1st ammendment rights.

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                                    • foulfowl
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                      If they will give you your shit back when you pay the $900 for your car then WTF are you doing even considering a lawyer who's fees are going to start at a grand?
                                      Because money isn't the issue. I'm kind of feeling violated now.

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                                        • Harmon
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                                          • Mar 2004
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                                          #11
                                          Fuck you Trashman. Kill yourself.
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                                            • DBS.US
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                                              • Aug 2003
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                                              #12
                                              I have never shoot "Porn" - I shoot "art" photo of my friends
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                                                • foulfowl
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Brujah
                                                  Did you get some kind of charge related to prostitution?
                                                  I'm told I got ticketed for lewdness. I guess they looked at the video and decided to write it when I had left the scene.

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                                                    • AaronM
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                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 46923
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                      Because money isn't the issue. I'm kind of feeling violated now.
                                                      You were shooting adult content in a public area. How much more attention do you want to bring to yourself by taking legal action? You should be thankful they didn't charge you with a sex offense.

                                                      Pay the fine, get your shit back, and let it go. Anything else is beyond foolish.

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                                                        • foulfowl
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Harmon
                                                          Fuck you Trashman. Kill yourself.
                                                          No, my name is JohnJuan. http://foulfowlentertainment.com

                                                          FOULFOWL.BIZ

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                                                            • Harmon
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                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                              • 20012
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                              No, my name is JohnJuan. http://foulfowlentertainment.com
                                                              My bad. Please, by all means, still kill yourself.
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                                                                • foulfowl
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                  You were shooting adult content in a public area. How much more attention do you want to bring to yourself by taking legal action? You should be thankful they didn't charge you with a sex offense.

                                                                  Pay the fine, get your shit back, and let it go. Anything else is beyond foolish.
                                                                  That's what I was thinking. But this lawyer has me wondering. Is it really public if no one else was there to see. We were in a highly secluded area. He says at the least, they'll just give me my shit back, but it'll take a few months.

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                                                                    • AaronM
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                      That's what I was thinking. But this lawyer has me wondering. Is it really public if no one else was there to see. We were in a highly secluded area. He says at the least, they'll just give me my shit back, but it'll take a few months.

                                                                      Been there, done that. It was still a public location. IMHO, your lawyer has a somewhat valid point about the 1st Amendment but the fact that you were in a public area opens you up to a lot worse situation. Fight this and you will lose money and gain the kind of attention you should be avoiding. Look at the long term picture here and walk way.

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                                                                        • Tofu
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                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 5615
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                          Been there, done that. It was still a public location. IMHO, your lawyer has a somewhat valid point about the 1st Amendment but the fact that you were in a public area opens you up to a lot worse situation. Fight this and you will lose money and gain the kind of attention you should be avoiding. Look at the long term picture here and walk way.
                                                                          I must agree with Aaron here. Pay the fine, chop it up as a loss and charge it to the game.
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                                                                            • foulfowl
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                              Been there, done that. It was still a public location. IMHO, your lawyer has a somewhat valid point about the 1st Amendment but the fact that you were in a public area opens you up to a lot worse situation. Fight this and you will lose money and gain the kind of attention you should be avoiding. Look at the long term picture here and walk way.
                                                                              Thanks. That's exactly how I'm thinking. Just wanted input from others.

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                                                                                • Dirty F
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                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                  • 59204
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                                  That's what I was thinking. But this lawyer has me wondering. Is it really public if no one else was there to see. We were in a highly secluded area. He says at the least, they'll just give me my shit back, but it'll take a few months.
                                                                                  Wtf? Public is public.

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                                                                                    • raymor
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                                                                                      • Oct 2002
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                      Been there, done that. It was still a public location. IMHO, your lawyer has a somewhat valid point about the 1st Amendment but the fact that you were in a public area opens you up to a lot worse situation. Fight this and you will lose money and gain the kind of attention you should be avoiding. Look at the long term picture here and walk way.
                                                                                      Indeed. If it were in private and they held your stuff as evidence for a possible prostitution case that never materialized, there might be something to fight.

                                                                                      Here, you have a ticket for public lewdness because you were in fact engaging in public lewdness. I don't see any first amendment case here.
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                                                                                        • raymor
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                                          Is it really public if no one else was there to see. We were in a highly secluded area.
                                                                                          If noone could see, if it wasn't a public place, the cops wouldn't have seen and you wouldn't have been busted. The fact that you got caught by a cop passing by pretty much proves that passerby could tell what you were up to doesn't it?
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                                                                                            • foulfowl
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Yeah, trust me. I cooperated fully with the officers when they rolled up. I felt I was in the wrong, BUT they pissed me off by takiing my cameras. I can't get anything back until the paperwork is done. It's been 2 business days. Maybe tomorrow. That's the only reason I talked with an attorney.

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                                                                                                • foulfowl
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  By the way, I should mention I'm in Detroit. It was an "empty" street. Up against an old abandoned school. The shit looks crazy.

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                                                                                                    • Brujah
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                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                      • 22157
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                                                      I'm told I got ticketed for lewdness. I guess they looked at the video and decided to write it when I had left the scene.
                                                                                                      I'd say go with the lawyer. Better safe than sorry, so that you don't get yourself in a situation where there are extra charges, etc...

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                                                                                                        • DBS.US
                                                                                                          Geo Cities
                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                          • 11843
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                                                          By the way, I should mention I'm in Detroit. It was an "empty" street. Up against an old abandoned school. The shit looks crazy.
                                                                                                          Standing by from samples
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                                                                                                            • iSpyCams
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                                                                                                              I am sure it depends on what jurisdiction you are in regardless it will be much less of a headache to just pay them off.

                                                                                                              They can make a lot more trouble for you then you can make for them.
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                                                                                                                • foulfowl
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                                                  I'd say go with the lawyer. Better safe than sorry, so that you don't get yourself in a situation where there are extra charges, etc...
                                                                                                                  Yeah, I thought about that too. But they have it set up where when you claim your vehicle, it's essentially a "settlement." The paperwork says exactly that. They don't pursue any further charges. I'm done with filming on the streets now.

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                                                                                                                    • foulfowl
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DBS.US
                                                                                                                      Standing by from samples
                                                                                                                      Do you mean standing by FOR samples? This is where we were. Different girl though

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                                                                                                                        • nikki99
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                                                                                                                          • Nov 2004
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          on what city u were shooting porn? I think it depends on that
                                                                                                                          where the trannies were from? ;)
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                                                                                                                            • nikki99
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              double post sorry God Bless you All
                                                                                                                              Last edited by nikki99; 04-29-2012, 02:17 PM.
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                                                                                                                                • bronco67
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Bro, the first thought that comes to my mind is you deserve it. Sorry.

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                                                                                                                                    • Dirty F
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                                                                                      By the way, I should mention I'm in Detroit. It was an "empty" street. Up against an old abandoned school. The shit looks crazy.
                                                                                                                                      You are shooting porn in public with hookers and you are complaining you got a ticket? You are not the brightest are you?

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                                                                                                                                        • foulfowl
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by nikki99
                                                                                                                                          on what city u were shooting porn? I think it depends on that
                                                                                                                                          where the trannies were from? ;)
                                                                                                                                          Yeah, it's ironic that I never have a problem in L.A. or Miami. But in my hometown of Detroit it seems to be a problem. Trannies that I had left on my camera are all from Detroit


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                                                                                                                                            • foulfowl
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Dirty F
                                                                                                                                              You are shooting porn in public with hookers and you are complaining you got a ticket? You are not the brightest are you?
                                                                                                                                              Dude, I'm not complaining. The lawyer is hyping me up with the 1st ammendment thing.

                                                                                                                                              FOULFOWL.BIZ

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                                                                                                                                                • kal86
                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2012
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  that shits kray but not much difference

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                                                                                                                                                    • Brujah
                                                                                                                                                      Beer Money Baron
                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 22157
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Detroit needs all the money it can get so you could consider it a hometown donation to your friendly local police department

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                                                                                                                                                        • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 59204
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                                                                                                          Dude, I'm not complaining. The lawyer is hyping me up with the 1st ammendment thing.
                                                                                                                                                          You are not complaining? What? Maybe you should read back your posts.

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                                                                                                                                                            • foulfowl
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                              You are not complaining? What? Maybe you should read back your posts.
                                                                                                                                                              No. I think you're just still confused. Read the first reply in this thread

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                                                                                                                                                                • SuckOnThis
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 6844
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                                                                                                  Detroit needs all the money it can get so you could consider it a hometown donation to your friendly local police department

                                                                                                                                                                  That's no shit. Look at all these houses for one dollar in Detroit, maybe the OP should get one of these, probably wouldnt have to go far to find hookers.
                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...t_MI#/sortby-1

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Screwed Up
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                      Been there, done that. It was still a public location. IMHO, your lawyer has a somewhat valid point about the 1st Amendment but the fact that you were in a public area opens you up to a lot worse situation. Fight this and you will lose money and gain the kind of attention you should be avoiding. Look at the long term picture here and walk way.
                                                                                                                                                                      Very good advice.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • foulfowl
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SuckOnThis
                                                                                                                                                                          That's no shit. Look at all these houses for one dollar in Detroit, maybe the OP should get one of these, probably wouldnt have to go far to find hookers.
                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...t_MI#/sortby-1
                                                                                                                                                                          Been there, done that. Bought a few for $500 a piece. Problem is when you decide you wanna stop by to check on them, someone else is usually inside

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                                                                                                                              Been there, done that. Bought a few for $500 a piece. Problem is when you decide you wanna stop by to check on them, someone else is usually inside
                                                                                                                                                                              How can you live in a shithole like that?

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                                                                                                                                                                                • SuckOnThis
                                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                                                                                                                                  Been there, done that. Bought a few for $500 a piece. Problem is when you decide you wanna stop by to check on them, someone else is usually inside

                                                                                                                                                                                  Yea I read about that, or you put a new furnace in and come back the next day and its gone. Still though it looks like you can get a decent house in better areas outside of Detroit for a steal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • foulfowl
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                                                      How can you live in a shithole like that?
                                                                                                                                                                                      I didn't. I just bought them because they were so cheap. Thought I could rebuild and rent and make a profit. I was wrong. Bought this one for $300


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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Brujah
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Cheap houses sure, but what's the monthly property taxes on those?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • foulfowl
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              This is how the block looks now. The house I had bought is on the left. I was filming in an area like this. So this is what I mean. Is this really public when no one lives on the street Who can see you?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                • foulfowl
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Cheap houses sure, but what's the monthly property taxes on those?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not much at all. You can buy it for the land, but you'll be sitting on it for decades before anything is done with it. No one will buy it from you right now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by foulfowl
                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is how the block looks now. The house I had bought is on the left. I was filming in an area like this. So this is what I mean. Is this really public when no one lives on the street Who can see you?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Everybody clearly, as the police caught you, remember? How much longer are you gonna keep acting as if you did nothing wrong?

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