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Originally Posted by Cherry7
I would not see the problem as models. As with the Paul Markham shoot, the Model took only a few hundred dollars and PM took $2500. What value did he add to the shoot compared to the model?
Models are the most important element and yet have the least power and wealth.
If a photographer wants to get paid good money he should show the ability to add value in making good unique different exciting pictures.
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Sorry about the model's luck. They should demand more money.
But that is how exploitation works. The people who do not know their worth or can not do anything about it, works for much cheaper than they should while the producer and the owner of the material making all the profits. That applies to porn just as much as it does to shoes and furniture.
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Originally Posted by SilentKnight
Yes, you are correct.
The world is filled with talentless hacks who can "take pictures."
Not everyone can create images others are willing to break out their wallet for.
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That is correct. Too many people can take photos.
However, amateur content is hot for a reason. They don't want "pros" taking photos. And there are more of them than there are pros. And it sells just as well.
There is a nut for every bolt.
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Originally Posted by Roald
I never understood why one would post that you have someone on ignore. Isnt the whole idea of the ignore function to actually ignore people?
Carry on ;)
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It's to show the person on ignore they are wasting their time with you.
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
The real problem for porn with online porn is the ease of entry to online porn.
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This is the truth. But as much as that is bad for professionals, it is great for the amateur market.
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
We ended up with a very weak herd and the biggest problem was everything the lowest needed to survive was laid out on the table for them. Their overheads were minimal to nothing. And we took giant steps on the road to 2012.
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We do have a weak herd and it has been thinning and will continue to do so.
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Today there's probably less money taken in porn than for the last 15 or 20 years.
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I don't have the figures to back it up, but I'm not sure I'd agree with that. I think the money has just been redirected. Cams being one example. Lots of money there. There is still a LOT of money in the business, it's all just changed hands. Porn as you grew to know it has changed, that money is gone. Now it's somewhere new. And that is a hard pill to swallow.
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Offline which was a big industry is all but gone. DVD, sales and rental, Cable as a money tree, phone lines, magazines, hotels, etc. Even porn shops are feeling the pinch. Very little money left in any of those. What we do know is the money that was spent there, isn't being spent online. If it was this industry would be booming.
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Video killed the radio star.
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
And it's clearly not. Manwin might be the biggest company in online porn. Still no one knows for sure how big they are. Fabian told us he had a 9 figure sum by Wall Street bankers or investors to invest. 4 + months after announcing it has anyone seen him spending it? Manwin must be keeping very quiet or the investors are patient.
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I think everyone knows the money didn't really come from wall street.
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Originally Posted by SIK
I always find this "sales method" retarded as hell, same as "whats your budget" question. That is just WRONG.
I'm asking for a quote because:
a) I obviously can't do/make it myself
b) Am not familiar with the subject
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It depends on how they asked the question.
"Can you shoot Asian teens" is a loaded question.
How do you want me to shoot them? Solo or hardcore? How much video, how many pics? How many outfit changes? What kind of location? Do you want smoking hot girls or average looking amateurs? Do we need the best hair and make up or can the girl do it herself. ALL of these things can add a lot of money to the cost.
My answer would have been, show me an example of what you want it to look like, and I'll give you a price. And even then, I'd bet anything he would want the most expensive option and want to pay peanuts for it. That is 99% of the people who ask for content these days. Most companies/people these days don't want to spend much on content.