juicyads rates are getting lower?

**anexsia** · 04-03-2012, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by webmax

I used to get $8-9 eCPM for months after mothers... and now dropped in half.

same for others?

Code:

Date	Redirects	Earnings	eCPM
2012-04-03	7,132	$23.63	$3.314
2012-04-02	7,318	$26.80	$3.663
2012-04-01	7,126	$34.44	$4.833
2012-03-31	6,917	$33.36	$4.823
2012-03-30	6,298	$30.22	$4.799
2012-03-29	6,734	$32.25	$4.789
2012-03-28	7,963	$41.89	$5.261

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Country	Redirects	Earnings	eCPM
	US	25,024	$87.27	$3.49
	GB	3,819	$4.10	$1.07
	CA	1,977	$3.83	$1.94
	IT	1,694	$20.42	$12.05
	DE	1,537	$44.11	$28.70
	AU	1,294	$9.33	$7.21
	FR	1,213	$8.32	$6.86

Wanna know my eCPM for yesterday? A whopping $2.85

If it stays that way I'm moving to plugrush

**nextri** · 04-03-2012, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by anexsia

Wanna know my eCPM for yesterday? A whopping $2.85

If it stays that way I'm moving to plugrush

if it's mobile traffic your talking about, plugrush had an average eCPM of $10.14 yesterday. $11.92 the day before

**Markul** · 04-04-2012, 02:39 AM

Mine was $3.194 yesterday, time to change where I send it.

**anexsia** · 04-04-2012, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Markul

Mine was $3.194 yesterday, time to change where I send it.

I really enjoyed when it was up near $8+ but I wouldn't mind it if it stayed around a $5-6 average or so...but when I'm getting days where it's $2 and $3 it's crap. I just transferred over a small blog network to plugrush so I can see what I average there for a few days.

**Markul** · 04-04-2012, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by anexsia

I really enjoyed when it was up near $8+ but I wouldn't mind it if it stayed around a $5-6 average or so...but when I'm getting days where it's $2 and $3 it's crap. I just transferred over a small blog network to plugrush so I can see what I average there for a few days.

Keep us posted... I sure won't have time to transfer my sites before after easter... a shame, I need someone to manage all this for me ><

**CIVMatt** · 04-04-2012, 04:47 AM

I just threw up a ad section on my site and looked to find I have $40... what do I do with it

lol

**MKA** · 04-04-2012, 04:59 AM

I removed juicyads, enough is enough. Dropping for over 2 months now.

**CyberHustler** · 04-04-2012, 05:04 AM

Sometimes it's cycles, sometimes it's time to find a new broker...

I'm still very happy with Juicy at the moment, but I don't do the redirecting mobile thing so...

**webmax** · 04-04-2012, 05:11 AM

I switched to plugrush today but the stats don't show anything after 1/2 day. What's the reason?

**IllTestYourGirls** · 04-04-2012, 05:14 AM

I wish Juicy Ads would allow you to transfer funds from your publishers earnings to your advertising wallet in sums way less than $400. I think that would help earnings as well.

**bannel** · 04-04-2012, 05:55 AM

I switched to plugrush, exoclick and other, cause juicyads aren't so juicy anymore

**tigermtb** · 04-04-2012, 07:54 AM

The drop in the last 2 days is related to accounts being properly loaded by the advertisers. With everyone being in Phoenix and other reasons, it seems a lot of folks let their accounts run dry.

Also, there are certain publishers who have had their traffic blacklisted by Advertisers because its just not converting. This has also caused some revenues to drop.

Regardless, I do expect revenues to rise back up again, as mentioned by someone else in the thread, this can sometimes be a cycle. We are still paying quite well on many countries, but for some reason your traffic is focused around a certain country, and it either gets blacklisted or the buyers run out of funds .. the rates drop sometimes.

**anexsia** · 04-04-2012, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by tigermtb

The drop in the last 2 days is related to accounts being properly loaded by the advertisers. With everyone being in Phoenix and other reasons, it seems a lot of folks let their accounts run dry.

Also, there are certain publishers who have had their traffic blacklisted by Advertisers because its just not converting. This has also caused some revenues to drop.

Regardless, I do expect revenues to rise back up again, as mentioned by someone else in the thread, this can sometimes be a cycle. We are still paying quite well on many countries, but for some reason your traffic is focused around a certain country, and it either gets blacklisted or the buyers run out of funds .. the rates drop sometimes.

Fair enough, but why is the eCPM of USA, UK, and Canada so low? I have almost all US, UK, and Canada mobile traffic and it's paying so low right now...I would have though that it would be worth more? Is it just because people are bidding low for it or not enough buyers?

It was getting a little bit better the past week and I was seeing it go up to around $6 but then it dropped to $4 and finally $2.85

**tigermtb** · 04-04-2012, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by anexsia

Fair enough, but why is the eCPM of USA, UK, and Canada so low? I have almost all US, UK, and Canada mobile traffic and it's paying so low right now...I would have though that it would be worth more? Is it just because people are bidding low for it or not enough buyers?

It was getting a little bit better the past week and I was seeing it go up to around $6 but then it dropped to $4 and finally $2.85

I was surprised also to find out that US traffic isn't extremely high value. Europe is high value. It comes down to conversions, and there is a LOT of US traffic on all the networks, and its just not worth what some of the other countries are worth.

The UK traffic is in low demand right now ... so if anyone reading this is interested in a deal, we have great traffic for you ;) here's the mobile campaign request form:

http://www.juicyads.com/mobile/request.php

With all this said, I do expect the bids to reactivate. There are very few cases of people dropping because they are not profitable.

**signupdamnit** · 04-04-2012, 09:10 AM

I've already stopped sending redirects on most of my sites to Juicy. I'll monitor the ecpm and if it goes back up and stays there for a week I will consider moving them back.

The UK rates (second most popular country) in particular are a joke and aren't even near reasonable. Most brokers pay more for Chinese traffic and hit bots than what Juicy Ads wants to pay right now on UK mobiles.

Originally posted by Markul

Keep us posted... I sure won't have time to transfer my sites before after easter... a shame, I need someone to manage all this for me ><

It shouldn't be that hard to change if you're using the javascript redirect. Just do a server wide find and replace on all your sites to remove the redirect code or to comment it out.

**flashfire** · 04-04-2012, 09:14 AM

our earnings kept dropping as we kept adding more traffic...we have moved on for now

**tigermtb** · 04-04-2012, 09:54 AM

I would also suggest using the htaccess URL redirection method rather than the Javascript method. You will earn more money with the advanced method rather than the beginner method as not all devices support Javascript.

**jigg** · 04-04-2012, 11:08 AM

you guys are funny, even in mainstream networks you often can't get that kind of CPM rate.

As an advertiser I won't pay for your traffic if it doesn't convert for me after a certain period of time. It doesn't matter if it's US or UK or whatever traffic. If your visitors aren't making us money we aren't going to spend more or up bids

**Roald** · 04-04-2012, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by anexsia

Fair enough, but why is the eCPM of USA, UK, and Canada so low? I have almost all US, UK, and Canada mobile traffic and it's paying so low right now...I would have though that it would be worth more? Is it just because people are bidding low for it or not enough buyers?

It was getting a little bit better the past week and I was seeing it go up to around $6 but then it dropped to $4 and finally $2.85

Maybe cause its hard to convert us/ca mobile traffic. Try to sell some products yourself on it and you will find out why some euro countries are so much more worth ;)

**anexsia** · 04-05-2012, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by tigermtb

I was surprised also to find out that US traffic isn't extremely high value. Europe is high value. It comes down to conversions, and there is a LOT of US traffic on all the networks, and its just not worth what some of the other countries are worth.

The UK traffic is in low demand right now ... so if anyone reading this is interested in a deal, we have great traffic for you ;) here's the mobile campaign request form:

http://www.juicyads.com/mobile/request.php

With all this said, I do expect the bids to reactivate. There are very few cases of people dropping because they are not profitable.

Originally posted by Roald

Maybe cause its hard to convert us/ca mobile traffic. Try to sell some products yourself on it and you will find out why some euro countries are so much more worth ;)

Ahhh okay, got it...was just curious about it since I don't know much about mobile traffic.

**anexsia** · 04-05-2012, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Markul

Keep us posted... I sure won't have time to transfer my sites before after easter... a shame, I need someone to manage all this for me ><

So far I'm getting an average of $8.6 eCPM with Plugrush compared to a $4.5-5 average with Juicy which is a pretty good difference to me. I'm going to split it up and leave half on Juicy Ads and half on Plugrush and see how that goes for a couple weeks.

**jimmycooper** · 04-05-2012, 02:50 PM

Handy Bumsen!

**nextri** · 04-06-2012, 12:18 AM

Indeed!!

**Cherry7** · 04-06-2012, 12:24 AM

We would love to find away to make ad traffic work, but buying traffic with no sales is pointless.

We get good sales from Tubes and adwords, get some sales even from galleries but can't get Juicy Friuts to work.

**PornHustler** · 04-06-2012, 12:44 AM

Date Redirects Earnings eCPM
2012-04-06 $4.489
2012-04-05 $4.080
2012-04-04 $5.038
2012-04-03 $3.883
2012-04-02 $4.057
2012-04-01 $4.822
2012-03-31 $4.916
Show Earnings by Day/Website

Blah....

**Paul Markham** · 04-06-2012, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by jigg

you guys are funny, even in mainstream networks you often can't get that kind of CPM rate.

As an advertiser I won't pay for your traffic if it doesn't convert for me after a certain period of time. It doesn't matter if it's US or UK or whatever traffic. If your visitors aren't making us money we aren't going to spend more or up bids

This says all people need to know. The number of clicks you send isn't what makes money for anyone. It's the $$$$ spent that makes the difference.

Stop thinking clicks = $$$$

Sales = $$$$

**MKA** · 04-06-2012, 05:12 AM

I was getting 9$ for about 2500 mobile redirects at juicyads.
Now i'm making 50$ (lets hope it stays this way) with the same traffic.
Anyone with average quality mobile traffic can convert at least 1:1000 i think which means 25$ PPS

Sign up now, you can thank me later.

**nextri** · 04-06-2012, 01:09 PM

2 sales after 1 day and 2500 hits isn't enough to know it will be reliable over time.. Post another screenshot after a week and we would be more impressed...

**CyberHustler** · 04-06-2012, 01:12 PM

**troncarver** · 04-06-2012, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by MKA

I was getting 9$ for about 2500 mobile redirects at juicyads.
Now i'm making 50$ (lets hope it stays this way) with the same traffic.
Anyone with average quality mobile traffic can convert at least 1:1000 i think which means 25$ PPS

Sign up now, you can thank me later.

hit me up if you need anything, advice etc

**signupdamnit** · 04-06-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by jigg

you guys are funny, even in mainstream networks you often can't get that kind of CPM rate.

As an advertiser I won't pay for your traffic if it doesn't convert for me after a certain period of time. It doesn't matter if it's US or UK or whatever traffic. If your visitors aren't making us money we aren't going to spend more or up bids

It evens out because many of us will pull our redirects when the rates get too low. The rates were high enough for a time such that people who normally would never think of redirecting any of their traffic did so because it was so profitable. Supply and demand.

**livexxx** · 04-06-2012, 03:46 PM

because advertising doesnt work?

**jigg** · 04-06-2012, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

It evens out because many of us will pull our redirects when the rates get too low. The rates were high enough for a time such that people who normally would never think of redirecting any of their traffic did so because it was so profitable. Supply and demand.

I think you're missing the point
you seem to think you' re entitled to a minimum cpm because that's how it was when things started. You are not.

I block publishers whose traffic does not convert for me all the time. I've blocked large well known sites after spending $2,000-3,000 and getting nothing in return. I don't care if you have 1000 or 100 million impressions available and neither do other advertisers whose goal is to make money.

in mainstream when the glut of inventory happened, CPMs cratered all the way down from double digit dollars for many many sites. Some huge, well known sites had CPMs below a dollar. Even today I can buy media on Facebook, Mediafire and others trough Rubicon for cents.

Supply and demand indeed

And if your traffic deserves the minimum CPM you want, then redirect it to a sponsor that would make you that much money. No need to rely on advertisers if your traffic is that great

**jigg** · 04-06-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by MKA

I was getting 9$ for about 2500 mobile redirects at juicyads.
Now i'm making 50$ (lets hope it stays this way) with the same traffic.
Anyone with average quality mobile traffic can convert at least 1:1000 i think which means 25$ PPS

Sign up now, you can thank me later.

you need at least 2 weeks worth of traffic to make a good determination. And even then it's not a guarantee. I have ad campaigns that did well for a month, died and I haven't been able to bring them back up to that level since

**signupdamnit** · 04-06-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by jigg

I think you're missing the point
you seem to think you' re entitled to a minimum cpm because that's how it was when things started. You are not.

I block publishers whose traffic does not convert for me all the time. I've blocked large well known sites after spending $2,000-3,000 and getting nothing in return. I don't care if you have 1000 or 100 million impressions available and neither do other advertisers whose goal is to make money.

in mainstream when the glut of inventory happened, CPMs cratered all the way down from double digit dollars for many many sites. Some huge, well known sites had CPMs below a dollar. Even today I can buy media on Facebook, Mediafire and others trough Rubicon for cents.

Supply and demand indeed

And if your traffic deserves the minimum CPM you want, then redirect it to a sponsor that would make you that much money. No need to rely on advertisers if your traffic is that great

Actually I'm saying exactly what you are. I'll send my traffic where I want just as you will buy traffic from where you want. I don't have to sell a single hit to Juicy if I don't like the rates. You don't have to buy a single hit from any of my sites. I'm not entitled to anything any more so than you are entitled to get my traffic at the rate you demand.

**Paul Markham** · 04-06-2012, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by jigg

I block publishers whose traffic does not convert for me all the time. I've blocked large well known sites after spending $2,000-3,000 and getting nothing in return. I don't care if you have 1000 or 100 million impressions available and neither do other advertisers whose goal is to make money.

Most people think traffic = $$$$

Only one thing in business that equals money and is money at the bottom of the profit column.

Traffic could be I,000,000 a month, turn over may be $100,000 and profit $10,000. And the only number that counts is the $10,000. It's something the people working from home on their own will never grasp.

With ratios getting worse all the time, ads are worth less, traffic is worth less.

**anexsia** · 04-06-2012, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

With ratios getting worse all the time, ads are worth less, traffic is worth less.

Huh? We're talking about mobile redirects here...traffic buyers were buying "premium" traffic at around $3 per 1000 uniques, between Juicy Ads and Plugrush they are now buying mobile visitors as high as $11 per 1,000...if anything some traffic can be worth MORE now.

**anexsia** · 04-06-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

Actually I'm saying exactly what you are. I'll send my traffic where I want just as you will buy traffic from where you want. I don't have to sell a single hit to Juicy if I don't like the rates. You don't have to buy a single hit from any of my sites. I'm not entitled to anything any more so than you are entitled to get my traffic at the rate you demand.

Not only that but it's a gamble...for all I know, someone could be buying my mobile traffic and making $50+ per 1,000 and only paying me $7-11 per 1,000...but I don't have the time to optimize my mobile traffic right now so I would rather get guaranteed money in the bank for it right now.

**Paul Markham** · 04-06-2012, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by anexsia

Huh? We're talking about mobile redirects here...traffic buyers were buying "premium" traffic at around $3 per 1000 uniques, between Juicy Ads and Plugrush they are now buying mobile visitors as high as $11 per 1,000...if anything some traffic can be worth MORE now.

It makes no difference where the traffic comes from. It's a commodity like everything else. I never sold exclusive for $300 because a magazine would pay $1,000 non exclusive. Content is a commodity. Market conditions apply to the price of a commodity. It will go up or down depending on many factors. see my post for those factors and add supply and demand. The more who jump on this market, possibly the less a click will be worth. There is only one thing that's guaranteed in business.

Nothing it guaranteed.

Originally posted by anexsia

Not only that but it's a gamble...for all I know, someone could be buying my mobile traffic and making $50+ per 1,000 and only paying me $7-11 per 1,000...but I don't have the time to optimize my mobile traffic right now so I would rather get guaranteed money in the bank for it right now.

Then instead of selling the traffic do what the guy you're selling it is doing. you want guaranteed money in your bank? Try another line of work.

A buyer pays what he can afford to and make a profit selling it on. Your price and mine are justified by the market.

**nextri** · 04-07-2012, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

It makes no difference where the traffic comes from. It's a commodity like everything else. I never sold exclusive for $300 because a magazine would pay $1,000 non exclusive. Content is a commodity. Market conditions apply to the price of a commodity. It will go up or down depending on many factors. see my post for those factors and add supply and demand. The more who jump on this market, possibly the less a click will be worth. There is only one thing that's guaranteed in business.

Nothing it guaranteed.

Then instead of selling the traffic do what the guy you're selling it is doing. you want guaranteed money in your bank? Try another line of work.

A buyer pays what he can afford to and make a profit selling it on. Your price and mine are justified by the market.

The advantage of using an ad network to sell your traffic is that you don't have to figure out what is selling best on your site, for all possible geos. What we do at plugrush, is to constantly optimize and test different products and programs that specialize in traffic from different countries to find what is converting best for each country. This gives us a good base to set pricing to, and let advertisers bid above this. Some countries are a lot more profitable on mobile than US traffic.

Another key element to consider is that with mobile redirects, where all your mobile traffic is being sold to advertisers, users aren't getting any content for free. They are all being directed to products that costs money. This is why mobile traffic is still worth a lot more than regular web traffic where content is so easy to find for free. On mobiles it's still hard to find the free content for the average surfer. Which means, they are more willing to pay for it on mobile. Hence better conversions..

**Klen** · 04-07-2012, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by nextri

The advantage of using an ad network to sell your traffic is that you don't have to figure out what is selling best on your site, for all possible geos. What we do at plugrush, is to constantly optimize and test different products and programs that specialize in traffic from different countries to find what is converting best for each country. This gives us a good base to set pricing to, and let advertisers bid above this. Some countries are a lot more profitable on mobile than US traffic.

Another key element to consider is that with mobile redirects, where all your mobile traffic is being sold to advertisers, users aren't getting any content for free. They are all being directed to products that costs money. This is why mobile traffic is still worth a lot more than regular web traffic where content is so easy to find for free. On mobiles it's still hard to find the free content for the average surfer. Which means, they are more willing to pay for it on mobile. Hence better conversions..

Hi,do you know when it will be possible to send mobile traffic to php file on plugrush?

**CyberHustler** · 04-07-2012, 05:40 AM

Some people are gifted at generating traffic, but can't sell shit. Some people have a lot of money, but can't generate their own traffic for shit. Then there's the huge gray area in between. There's a lot of clueless people sitting here dissing publishers for not properly monetizing their own traffic and dissing advertisers for buying traffic that must be worthless since it's for sell, and others dissing both groups for using brokers... day in and day out... meanwhile the publishers, advertisers and brokers are all doing business.

**Paul Markham** · 04-07-2012, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by nextri

The advantage of using an ad network to sell your traffic is that you don't have to figure out what is selling best on your site, for all possible geos. What we do at plugrush, is to constantly optimize and test different products and programs that specialize in traffic from different countries to find what is converting best for each country. This gives us a good base to set pricing to, and let advertisers bid above this. Some countries are a lot more profitable on mobile than US traffic.

Another key element to consider is that with mobile redirects, where all your mobile traffic is being sold to advertisers, users aren't getting any content for free. They are all being directed to products that costs money. This is why mobile traffic is still worth a lot more than regular web traffic where content is so easy to find for free. On mobiles it's still hard to find the free content for the average surfer. Which means, they are more willing to pay for it on mobile. Hence better conversions..

I understand that. Ultimately it's down to how well it performs and what people are willing to pay for it. A company like you can spend time and money getting the best price for the commodity. The supplier is free to go to the broker who will give him the best deal. If after while that deal falls, it's often because the traffic doesn't warrant more.

The guys complaining can move their traffic or suck it up and stay.

Yes I know the value of the mobile market. Better than some think.

Originally posted by CyberHustler

Some people are gifted at generating traffic, but can't sell shit. Some people have a lot of money, but can't generate their own traffic for shit. Then there's the huge gray area in between. There's a lot of clueless people sitting here dissing publishers for not properly monetizing their own traffic and dissing advertisers for buying traffic that must be worthless since it's for sell, and others dissing both groups for using brokers... day in and day out... meanwhile the publishers, advertisers and brokers are all doing business.

This board is full of people dissing others. Usually it's a one man band, working from his bedroom. Dissing a guy a lot higher up the food chain than him.

**nextri** · 04-08-2012, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

Hi,do you know when it will be possible to send mobile traffic to php file on plugrush?

We haven't made a direct php redirect option available yet, because of security issues. We want to make sure all traffic is legit and comes from the right source. Javascript gives us more options to ensure this than a php/htaccess redirect would do. Bottom line is we want to make sure our traffic is as high quality as possible for both advertisers and publishers.
We're still considering and looking into how we can implement a direct link and still have proper quality control.

Direct links are a lot easier to do fraudulent activity with.

**Klen** · 04-08-2012, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by nextri

We haven't made a direct php redirect option available yet, because of security issues. We want to make sure all traffic is legit and comes from the right source. Javascript gives us more options to ensure this than a php/htaccess redirect would do. Bottom line is we want to make sure our traffic is as high quality as possible for both advertisers and publishers.
We're still considering and looking into how we can implement a direct link and still have proper quality control.

Direct links are a lot easier to do fraudulent activity with.

I dont see why would be easier,you can still see from where traffic it's coming and what type.Beside i am sure if someone wants to cheat he would cheat javascript without problem.
And also what is big problem with javascript is-
1.not all devices support javascript or they have it disabled
2.Page where widget is can be loaded half and then redirected instead instant redirect when loading page

**3xmedia** · 04-08-2012, 06:24 AM

spots pulled.

**nextri** · 04-09-2012, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

I dont see why would be easier,you can still see from where traffic it's coming and what type.Beside i am sure if someone wants to cheat he would cheat javascript without problem.
And also what is big problem with javascript is-
1.not all devices support javascript or they have it disabled
2.Page where widget is can be loaded half and then redirected instead instant redirect when loading page

With js we can get the referrer of the page our scrip is on, while with a direct link we only get the referrer from the origin site. We don't want people to use our program to send traffic directly from third parties like trafficholder/choker etc. a direct link would allow that. With js we can always check where our script is being loaded from.

**Rebel D** · 04-09-2012, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by CyberHustler

Some people are gifted at generating traffic, but can't sell shit. Some people have a lot of money, but can't generate their own traffic for shit. Then there's the huge gray area in between. There's a lot of clueless people sitting here dissing publishers for not properly monetizing their own traffic and dissing advertisers for buying traffic that must be worthless since it's for sell, and others dissing both groups for using brokers... day in and day out... meanwhile the publishers, advertisers and brokers are all doing business.

100% agree

**tonyparra** · 04-09-2012, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by nextri

With js we can get the referrer of the page our scrip is on, while with a direct link we only get the referrer from the origin site. We don't want people to use our program to send traffic directly from third parties like trafficholder/choker etc. a direct link would allow that. With js we can always check where our script is being loaded from.

Can you fix the trade algo? Why are bbw sites showing barely legal looking teens? I didnt have that issue a month ago.

juicyads rates are getting lower?

juicyads rates are getting lower?

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